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Re: There's talk in my country of reinstating the draft. [Re: HomelessSorcerer]
#27748980 - 04/24/22 12:03 AM (2 years, 26 days ago) |
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Russia needs to stop invading people and improve their own shitty country from within. Then all will be well and nobody will need to worry about defending themselves from Russia.
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Re: There's talk in my country of reinstating the draft. [Re: psi]
#27748985 - 04/24/22 12:12 AM (2 years, 26 days ago) |
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The West needs to stop invading people.
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And to stop founding military bases near Russia.
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Russia isn't the bad guy; the West isn't the good guy.
It isn't that simple.
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Re: There's talk in my country of reinstating the draft. [Re: Asante] 1
#27748989 - 04/24/22 12:20 AM (2 years, 26 days ago) |
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The earth is powerful.
Listen to the Earth
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Re: There's talk in my country of reinstating the draft. [Re: HomelessSorcerer]
#27748994 - 04/24/22 12:22 AM (2 years, 26 days ago) |
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Watch any network news and China is vilified for just flexing her muscles.
Yet America has been doing steroids for years but that's okay.
I would rather live in the West than in Russia or China, but the general Western perspective is delusional.
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Re: There's talk in my country of reinstating the draft. [Re: psi]
#27748995 - 04/24/22 12:24 AM (2 years, 26 days ago) |
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Except this time it's not just some sand people, it's a world superpower that is being taunted.
Insanity. Pure fucking insanity.
The insanity is coming from the Russian end. Bloodthirsty expansionism. Let's see if the Neville Chamberlain approach works though, as they try to reassemble the USSR from unwilling countries and build strength. Maybe Finland and Sweden should stay out of NATO to avoid angering them, that surely will keep them safe from Russia's wrath.
None of that makes sense, it sounds like fear mongering rhetoric. This is a geopolitical thing with Ukraine specifically that has been going on for years (ever). They have shown no intention in any way of invading any other nations besides Georgia, which they also consider their own. Only these two nations are disputed by Russia. Both have deep ties and cross cultural heritage.
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psi said: That talk of drafting armies is not for an insane invasion of Russia. It is for a possible defensive war because Europeans have seen this one before. The insanity is all coming from one end here. Russia should grab their shit and GTFO of Ukraine, that's who's being insane and needs to back down.
I'm glad noone says they intend to step in.
Indeed war is insane, but due to history that we've covered, and a load more, Russia is not going to step away. No matter how the west calls for it. It's like trying to tell the Taliban to go home when they are home.
I wish they would stop too. I don't like to see suffering. But it's not going to happen no matter what we say or do. These people have their reasons and they don't care about what we think, just like in the middle east. A strong dose of reality is required when navigating these sorts of waters. It's not cut and dried, black and white, like we like to perceive it. These same regional wars have been on and off since Byzantine times and probably before recorded history. At one time Ukraine ruled over the Rus and they were forced to pay tribute.
The World: "Hey wake up Russia your history and beliefs don't matter because we are all friends now." Russia: "Nah, you guys don't know what you're talking about." China: *snickers quietly*
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Re: There's talk in my country of reinstating the draft. [Re: HomelessSorcerer]
#27748996 - 04/24/22 12:24 AM (2 years, 26 days ago) |
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Who is the West invading currently that they should stop invading?
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HomelessSorcerer said: Russia isn't the bad guy
Bullshit
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Re: There's talk in my country of reinstating the draft. [Re: Northerner] 1
#27749004 - 04/24/22 12:32 AM (2 years, 26 days ago) |
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We will see what happens next I guess. I remember people saying here just before the invasion that it was just fearmongering rhetoric to predict that an invasion was about to happen. Larry was spouting similar "geopolitics" Russian apologism to what you are now and was certain that Biden was just fearmongering over a non-issue and there would be no invasion. I think you are naive regarding this issue, and that the sources of information you rely on ultimately serve Russian interests. Affiliates of Murdoch media if I had to guess.
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Re: There's talk in my country of reinstating the draft. [Re: psi]
#27749006 - 04/24/22 12:37 AM (2 years, 26 days ago) |
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psi said: We will see what happens next I guess. I remember people saying here just before the invasion that it was just fearmongering rhetoric to predict that an invasion was about to happen. Larry was spouting similar "geopolitics" Russian apologism to what you are now and was certain that Biden was just fearmongering over a non-issue and there would be no invasion. I think you are naive regarding this issue, and that the sources of information you rely on ultimately serve Russian interests. Affiliates of Murdoch media if I had to guess.
WE shall seee
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And I live in the wild, I am poor, I wear the cloak of the interpreter
What do you feel like Psi? I know you are a gardener
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Re: There's talk in my country of reinstating the draft. [Re: Fiery] 1
#27749013 - 04/24/22 12:50 AM (2 years, 26 days ago) |
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I feel that the best way out of this mess is for Russians to depose Putin themselves, and try to move on from their past of authoritarianism and corruption like Ukraine has been trying to do.
And in the meantime, I think people outside Russia should learn more about the propaganda tactics they've used to sow chaos in the West, pretty much taking control of the political right and very nearly overturning an election in the US. That is likely going to be tried again and doesn't require that Trump necessarily be the candidate. He could drop dead tomorrow and the problem won't go away.
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Re: There's talk in my country of reinstating the draft. [Re: psi]
#27749015 - 04/24/22 12:54 AM (2 years, 26 days ago) |
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I think you need to see things other than that
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Re: There's talk in my country of reinstating the draft. [Re: psi]
#27749016 - 04/24/22 12:55 AM (2 years, 26 days ago) |
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The war had never ended for Russia, I have no idea why people would pretend it had or that they weren't serious. Fools.
Russia isn't apologising, nor am I apologising for them. I'm just stating cold hard facts. No I don't watch television or gain much information from news articles. News is deceptive and relies on advertising. Nor do I take part in the social media shit show.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think Russia is great, good or right or anything. They are clearly making war, which is clearly bad. But neither am I swallowing the propaganda in the west about how evil, insane, despotic, add your word or phrase of choice here, Russia is. They are hard motherfuckers and have their reasons, calling them insane does not invalidate them it only "justifies" any insane action one wants to make against them.
I remember the lead ups to all the other disastrous invasions we made in the last 3 decades and they all sounded just like this shit show. I would like not to see that happen again. It really concerns me. It really fucking concerns me this time. It's not some pussy ass Taliban mob we are waving our sabres at this time.
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Re: There's talk in my country of reinstating the draft. [Re: Northerner]
#27749020 - 04/24/22 01:01 AM (2 years, 26 days ago) |
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I don't expect anyone to take any insane action against Russia. Nuclear deterrents work.
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Re: There's talk in my country of reinstating the draft. [Re: psi]
#27749023 - 04/24/22 01:11 AM (2 years, 26 days ago) |
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On a gentle tangent, a Le Pen victory would be entertaining.
But I don't think it'll happen.
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Re: There's talk in my country of reinstating the draft. [Re: psi]
#27749024 - 04/24/22 01:11 AM (2 years, 26 days ago) |
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But neither am I swallowing the propaganda in the west about how evil, insane, despotic, add your word or phrase of choice here, Russia is
Putin's actions are those of an amoral despot who wants to build an empire by conquest. The entire nation is of course not evil or despotic or whatever and a lot of the people just fear him. He can't be taken out of power by external military means because they are a nuclear power. Only his own people can do it, or maybe he'll continue on as he is until his natural death.
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Re: There's talk in my country of reinstating the draft. [Re: psi]
#27749042 - 04/24/22 01:38 AM (2 years, 26 days ago) |
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Here's an interesting article with a lot of facts, counterpoints and criticism of itself, written by a pair of professors on the topic.
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2022/03/17/what-do-ordinary-russians-really-think-about-the-war-in-ukraine/
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Re: There's talk in my country of reinstating the draft. [Re: Northerner]
#27749044 - 04/24/22 01:39 AM (2 years, 26 days ago) |
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Ok, I'll check it out later and get back to you.
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Re: There's talk in my country of reinstating the draft. [Re: Northerner]
#27749215 - 04/24/22 07:13 AM (2 years, 26 days ago) |
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I'd say I was already aware of this sort of polling and some of the problems with putting too much weight on it. Mostly that people have pretty good reason to be fearful of giving honest answers critical of the government and current propaganda. But yeah a fair amount of the support will likely be genuine.
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Re: There's talk in my country of reinstating the draft. [Re: psi]
#27749374 - 04/24/22 10:20 AM (2 years, 25 days ago) |
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https://allnewspipeline.com/Why_The_Digital_Dollar_Will_Destroy_Free_Speech.php
State Senator Richard Pan – an absolute dill – has a mental fixation with controlling what people post to the world wide web. In 2018, Pan introduced SB1424, “Internet: social media: advisory group”.
If outgoing Governor Jerry “Moonbeam” Brown hadn’t vetoed SB1424, it would have required the state Attorney General to establish an advisory committee to review and create a plan to stop the “spread of false information through internet-based social media platforms.”
The plan, before vetoed, contemplated requiring California based websites to use fact checkers to verify news stories prior to publishing them. Who exactly would be the fact checkers was undefined. Brown had the common sense to reject it.
Yet now Senator Pan is at it again. This time with SB1390, “Social media platforms: amplification of harmful content”.
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Re: There's talk in my country of reinstating the draft. [Re: durian_2008]
#27749422 - 04/24/22 10:49 AM (2 years, 25 days ago) |
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 National Socialists annex land and call for diplomacy vs. international socialists
(Not really. I was stuck inside with an injury.)
The Overton Window of acceptable public dialog is never going to open over self ownership, in which no one else lays a higher claim to your fruits of your labor or physical person.
If people get arrested for debating talking points, they will not have come out of your wildest imaginations but from talking heads with controlled dialog.
In my system of priorities, it says on, to keep your dog or parakeet company when you leave the house.
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