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Re: Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine [Re: The Blind Ass] 1
#27740582 - 04/18/22 05:01 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bc I can see my own(countrys) faults and compare them to the atrocity we are seeing today and now? And having done that, realize that Russia is no worse or hardly much different than the United States of capitalism. And in realizing this, also understanding, I don't hate my country as much as one should, when compared to outsiders' disdain for America. But I do hate things about it to some degree. But I still live here. I don't revolt. I don't actively petition on the streets of DC for govt and policy change.
And neither do y'all.(most if not all)
But somehow STILL find in your American fed psyche room to hate Russia, and that's fine hate Russia, I do too. Cool. But the goddamned Ukraine thread and the news cycle we are currently in has all this insane traction.
Why?
It's masturbation as voiced by another member here.
It's ridiculously obscene.
To blatantly pick and choose and care ONLY when where how and what ethnicity we want to be so "up in arms" about.
Again why? Why is it so much easier to hate Russia? Spoon fucking fed. What in Russia is so dastardly? WE ARE THE ONLY COUNTRY TO HAVE DROPPED A NUCLEAR WARHEAD ON A TARGET! Surely they cannot be worse than that. Regardless what has or hasn't gone on.
Honestly I guess I shouldn't blame y'all It's prolly genetic at this point lul.
If you do NOT openly criticize your own regime in America actively and with all the dissent one should, when disagreeing with it, and finally taking action upon that disagreement to enact real fucking change!,
Well, then there is no goddamned reason to spit on Abt mother Russia so bad guy oOoOO china so bad guy.
I mean that's the rhetoric I've heard from literal redneck hicks, pro America pro trump pro gun to the teeth pro life . Tiny closed little lives and minds.
The united states is quite possibly the absolute most tyrannical state to this globe. Clearly full of hate and aggression as shown all over this situation. Can you argue that fact?
If we can agree to this point, then it should be easy for you to see the hypocrisy behind any American wildly objecting and criticizing this war.
So essentially unless you are making the most of what's in your own mirror, it's a fuckin long shot to demonize anyone else.
The hand wringing can be saved for when we take up the task of actually fixing humanity's broken ass in some way, where all of the situations caused by the various empirical powers on the globe, are mitigated, war minimized, and hatred for anyone else shunned in general. You know what the biggest hurdle for humanity in even inching closer to this? Capitalism. Guess who brought you capitalism. Merica
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Re: Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine [Re: ashfiken]
#27740586 - 04/18/22 05:05 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Apologies, I got carried away. You assume much about someone you’ve never met. Anyways, promoting critical thinking is good in my book. So, if that’s what you’re about, by all means.
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Re: Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine [Re: The Blind Ass]
#27740609 - 04/18/22 05:15 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wasn't speaking that only to you mang. That goes for all the people that I believed have gotten carried away. All good
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Re: Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine [Re: The Blind Ass]
#27740651 - 04/18/22 05:43 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Blind Ass said: Aww, the Kremlin just want Crimea recognized and after that they’ll be good.
That's a dumbed down answer. They want all of things I mentioned in my last post.
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The Blind Ass said: And the CCP just wants Taiwan back and afterwards everyone promises to play nice and just sit pretty with whatever they’ve currently got! They all swear on it and will even go so far as to sign pieces of paper saying so in front of important people to show they are serious. 
What does China have to do with this?
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The Blind Ass said: Before the Ukraine conflict Russia was a model nation, that was until the evil Nazis in Ukraine attacked other Ukrainians while simultaneously the evil NATO terrified them into invading Ukraine!
What's with all the make believe?
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The Blind Ass said: Funny, how the locations closest to Russia are the only ones in the country being liberated and saved by Russia. It’s almost like the close proximity allowed the kremlin to conveniently work ops over a period of decades to infiltrate from within and fan the flames of rebellion & dissent until it looked like they could get away with making it seem all of the generic every day people themselves actually thought they themselves wanted to be part of Russia bc that’s the natural choice when dealing with the Americans and Ukrainian govs since they are so fundamentally different than the kremlin. / sarcasm / Derp.
The close proximity to Russia and the history of the region explains why there are so many ethnic Russians in Donbas. I still don't understand the make believe?
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The Blind Ass said: Give me a break. Dude, you’ve got Putin’s dick so far up your ass it is actually disrupting the reasoning centers in your brain. Like how some of those cordyceps fungi infecting ants does - except with Putin dick.
Everyone always resorts to name calling and make believe when they don't have an argument that can be backed up with facts. How about sharing some articles that support your position (oh you can't because it's make believe), or how about laying off the "Putin's dick so far up your ass" comments (oh you won't, because the mods here support it when it's anti-Russia).
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Re: Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine [Re: Aquadoc]
#27740690 - 04/18/22 06:09 PM (2 years, 30 days ago) |
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Aquadoc said: Interesting Point of View Falcon. What is your source for these conclusions? 2014 Borders that were STOLEN??? This is like saying "There's a lot of Cuban Bloodline in Miami so Cuba can just waltz in and take South FL."
Who said borders were "stolen"? To resummarize, Crimea and Donbas have a lot of ethnic Russians living there. They lived in Ukraine for some time now, but in 2014, there was a US supported coup in Ukraine that ousted the elected Government and replaced it with a puppet Government of the US (as evidenced by a leaked Viktoria Nuland phone call). Crimea and Donbas didn't want to be ruled by a US puppet Government and immediately voted to leave Ukraine (Crimea to rejoin Russia, and Donbas to be independent). Nothing at all like South Florida.
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Aquadoc said: As I said before this has been going on since I have been paying attention to UKR. AGAIN the Dyke being built from mainland Russia to Crimea. Crimea was given to Ukraine in 1954ish presumably because (as they are finding out now) Logistics are a nightmare when Ukraine remains the Land lock to Crimea. I do have friends in Crimea (who were not allowed to vote because they had UKR Passports) that have let me in on some insights about Crimea.
Only Crimean residents with a Ukrainian passport were allowed to vote. Were your friends Crimean residents? If not, that's why they couldn't vote, if so, they lied to you.
I visited Crimea after Maidan. I heard the US/Western Ukraine version of events, and I heard the Russian/Crimean version of events, and I wanted to find out which side was telling the truth about the referendum results. I found it was clearly Russia/Crimea after talking to about 50 locals (including Tatars who voted against rejoining Russia).
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Aquadoc said: As far as Eastern UKR, Separatists is an interesting word for what happened there BUT OK fine. Again having Family in Ukraine, I imagine my sources may be biased. But you know when you actually live there, there may be some insight that the MSM might not be privy to.
Absolutely. And there's a huge difference between talking to people who back Western Ukraine vs talking to people in Crimea/Donbas.
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Aquadoc said: Putin wants Security FROM what???? Ukraine is roughly the size of TX about 75,000 sqml smaller. So TX declaring war on the US and Canada would be a fair comparison.
Putin isn't worried about Ukraine, he wants security from US/NATO weapons on his border.
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Aquadoc said: BUT since you've been following this since 2014 you may know more than me...You know when in 2004 UKRAINE held the Orange revolution, and Yanakovich was ousted by Ukrainians and even tho he turned out to SUCK Yushenko was voted in. AND OH yes he was Putin's Boy LOL
He was relatively neutral, but realized that Russia offered his country a better gas deal than the West did and he took it for the benefit of the Ukrainian people. The West was pissed, and helped overthrow him in a coup.
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Aquadoc said: I do find it interesting that Putin is showing his ASS militarily. His Army Sucks. All he has is Air superiority (over a small country like UKR), and the threat of NUC's, This is akin to me beating on a 10 year old on the playground but the ten year old still cock punches me and makes me run off the playground. LOL OH and yes I watch reports from both Russia and UKR.
As many military observers such as Scott Ritter and Colonel Macgregor have noted, Russia started far too soft to try to save lives, and didn't even bomb sleeping soldiers in their barracks on the first day of the attack. Russia asked the soldiers to lay down their arms and avoid a fight, but instead they attacked Russia, brutally. Russia has since become much more aggressive towards Ukrainian soldiers.
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Re: Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine [Re: The Blind Ass]
#27740705 - 04/18/22 06:16 PM (2 years, 30 days ago) |
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The Blind Ass said: But if we listened to Fal or Chop they’d try and convince us it’s mostly all the Ukrainians who are killing other Ukrainians and then falsely blaming it on the Russians who are simply the only a rational actor who’s hand was forced & they had to step in to play the role of peacekeeper/liberator/protector.
You're very clearly not listening to Fal or Chop. We're saying Azov is killing ethnic Russians in Ukraine, and falsely blaming it on the Russians, and there are hundreds of videos from survivors in Donbas that support this.
We're still waiting for you to post the videos from Donbas that go against the videos that we presented.
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Re: Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine [Re: The Blind Ass]
#27740708 - 04/18/22 06:18 PM (2 years, 30 days ago) |
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You really are just a dumb fucker.
I don't have a good counter-argument, so I'll just you call you bad names instead, since the mods here don't seem to care.
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Re: Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#27740714 - 04/18/22 06:20 PM (2 years, 30 days ago) |
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Blind, It is NOT UKR's Killing UKR's Period. It is the GOV's. We know this. I met an old Man in Sweetyaz, near the Belarus border. He and my Wife were talking and they started laughing, I naturally asked what's up because my UKR is about as good as Being able to ask for direction and order food, (Russian is much better, ironically, LOL) BUT I was able to pick out they were laughing about me, as I was currently cutting and stacking Did (Gpa) Slavik's wood pile. I asked what was up and She told me Slavik had said "this is the first American I have ever met, He helps me with my wood pile, and doesn't look like he would eat a Baby!" People are People my Homies, GOV eats the Babies!Quote:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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The Blind Ass said: But if we listened to Fal or Chop they’d try and convince us it’s mostly all the Ukrainians who are killing other Ukrainians and then falsely blaming it on the Russians who are simply the only a rational actor who’s hand was forced & they had to step in to play the role of peacekeeper/liberator/protector.
You're very clearly not listening to Fal or Chop. We're saying Azov is killing ethnic Russians in Ukraine, and falsely blaming it on the Russians, and there are hundreds of videos from survivors in Donbas that support this.
We're still waiting for you to post the videos from Donbas that go against the videos that we presented.
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Re: Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine [Re: ashfiken]
#27740728 - 04/18/22 06:30 PM (2 years, 30 days ago) |
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ashfiken said: Or listen to me and get off your moral high horse where as Americans you subscribe to the same shit Russia is doing. We have done this repeatedly for the past 40 years. Policed the world. Prop up illegitimate govts. Start wars bc it suits us. That was the point of this thread. To maybe get some to think that instead of crying about Ukraine(obviously an atrocity with a background that a few here find relevant to current events). Not to keep talking bout how terrible Russia is. Fuck we are MORE terrible so what is the fucking big deal
Ash, Having Been a Soldier for over two decades, Mostly HIMINT and Ranger, I hear what you are saying. 38MOS in some sort of Combat. Part of my awakening was having to deal with the "Right" thing to do, VS what I swore to do, VS what my leaders swore was right. BUT I NEVER FELT THE ERGE TO FUCKING RAPE EVERY FEMALE in sight. Never kill an innocent person, Never Kill an innocent animal. I will also say to anyone that wishing hate on Russian people is wrong as well. I have many Russian friends, they are not the bad actor.
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Re: Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine [Re: Aquadoc]
#27740849 - 04/18/22 07:38 PM (2 years, 30 days ago) |
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Aquadoc said: It is NOT UKR's Killing UKR's Period. It is the GOV's.
For sure. 
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Aquadoc said: I will also say to anyone that wishing hate on Russian people is wrong as well. I have many Russian friends, they are not the bad actor.
As do I, both Russian and Ukrainian friends. Good people.
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Re: Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#27740921 - 04/18/22 08:06 PM (2 years, 30 days ago) |
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As I see it, The U.S. :
1: The virus (Think what you want). 2: Pushing deadly mrna death shot on as many human beings as humanly possible. 3: Intentionally releasing fentanyl ( even worse then the virus ). 4: Labeled the most patriotic American's domestic terrorist. 5: Aided and lured Jan 6th protectors into the Capital and holding political prisoners. 6: Election rigging/fraud (Again think what you want, but they stole my home state of PA 100%). 7: Shutting down energy in the U.S. and else where. 8: Intentionally destroying the U.S. dollar. 9: Dumbing down its own citizens (vaccines, psych meds, drugs, bad food, education etc..) 10: psyop ( 24-7 on every main street media, sports, half time shows etc...) 11: Shutting down small business. 12: Borrowed and printed trillions, dumping the debt on citizen. 13: Denied effected treatment for covid. 14: Denied white people treatment for covid (but not Remdesivir). 15: Pushed Remdesivir on hospitalized patients ( Its deadly and they know it ). 16: Making every effort to inflame a race war. 17: Flooding America with immigrant to further the self induced collapse. 18: Criminal sentencing based on your political support. 19: Crippling the world food supply, starving to death the 3rd world ( but they dont talk about that ). 20: Buying up everything with the trillions they stole from us. ..This could go on and on ofc..
Basically everything America has ever produced, all our wealth, technologies, influence, and most importantly our military is being either stripped away, destroyed or used against us. And to many of you are to fucking stupid or hung up on some side issue to see that.
The U.S. knew exactly what the response would be from Russia when they did what they did. In fact it was war gamed out years ago during the Obama years, and it played out the same. Russia has no voice in Nato, the U.N. is a joke, and western media has never but demonize them for as long as I've been alive. I would have to agree with those who say Russia fell for the trap set by the U.S. led Nato, but would add that they likely knew it was a trap and walked into it knowingly.
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Re: Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#27740924 - 04/18/22 08:09 PM (2 years, 30 days ago) |
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Aquadoc said: It is NOT UKR's Killing UKR's Period. It is the GOV's.
For sure. 
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Aquadoc said: I will also say to anyone that wishing hate on Russian people is wrong as well. I have many Russian friends, they are not the bad actor.
As do I, both Russian and Ukrainian friends. Good people.
That we can agree on
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Re: Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine [Re: The Blind Ass]
#27741911 - 04/19/22 11:56 AM (2 years, 30 days ago) |
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I've read that 300 million people rely on the wheat etc production of Ukraine and that this war might trigger a famine comparable to Stalin's Holodomor, the genocidal starvation of 5 million soviet-ukrainans.
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Re: Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#27742050 - 04/19/22 01:22 PM (2 years, 30 days ago) |
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Putin isn't worried about Ukraine, he wants security from US/NATO weapons on his border.
Why would he attack UKR when the US weapons are in Alaska??? Also Up in the Arctic Sea. I'm not gonna lie and say I know everything about it and I'm not sure if we're currently in the Black Sea but of course were all over EU. A fact that I personally appose BUT...
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Re: Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine [Re: Aquadoc]
#27742117 - 04/19/22 02:10 PM (2 years, 30 days ago) |
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Aquadoc said: Putin isn't worried about Ukraine, he wants security from US/NATO weapons on his border.
I agree that's his main concern.
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Aquadoc said: Why would he attack UKR when the US weapons are in Alaska???
Because Moscow/St Peterburg are MUCH closer to Ukraine.
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Re: Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine [Re: The Ecstatic]
#27742781 - 04/19/22 09:06 PM (2 years, 29 days ago) |
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The Blind Ass said: Q: “Which is more important?l
: More important to whom?
For North America to gossip over? Then I’d say Ukraine.
For Ukrainians, I’d say Ukraine. For Yemenis, I’d say Yemen.
Etc
Yeah we need to hammer down exactly what we mean as ‘importance’ here.
Important to the media cycle? To the world powers? Trade? Geopolitics as a whole? Human society?
Based on tallying up sheer numbers of death and misery it’s easily Yemen. And you could make an argument that the Houthis maintaining a foothold on the Saudi border has implications about the hegemony of the Gulf monarchs, Wahhabism, and the energy policy of the rest of the world.
BUT, a, maybe THE, major driving force of contemporary global security policy has been the prospect of a Russian (or Chinese) force threatening US hegemony by expanding their sphere of influence across Western Europe. Ukraine isn’t Western Europe by any imaginable sense, but it’s a little too close to comfort for an America that can begin to see the sun setting on our ability to run roughshod over the entire planet, so we are blowing the whistles like a motherfucker. It also presents a nice distraction from the abject failure of domestic politics.
I'd rather have the abject failure of the US over that of the Soviets or Chinese any day of the week. There is no comparison in scope.
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