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Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine 1
#27737135 - 04/16/22 10:07 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's obviously a big moment in history and a big moment for America(ns) as most haven't been alive to remember the Soviet union. So a Russian invasion on a sovereign state is "big news" worthy of THE WORLDS attention. But what about the atrocities in Yemen? Why aren't they being championed the same? Is it bc we ignore Saudi/any aggression that coincides with us or allies? Why does the layman suck toward the Ukraine crisis with such fervor? Surely most intellectual ppl take the mainstream media maelstrom with a grain of salt, and realize they publish/report/discuss, only with the talking points they choose and their overlords allow.. Discuss what y'all think
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Re: Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine [Re: ashfiken]
#27737162 - 04/16/22 10:26 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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The yemen thing is not publicized as much because it doesn't involve the threat of nuclear war and its not fucking up the world economy.
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Re: Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine [Re: TheDirtFarmer]
#27737311 - 04/16/22 12:53 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think the world economy does pretty well fucking itself up, COVID, etc, non related to conflict although ofc it does have its own effect as well. And nuclear war, so bc it is a superpower and cold war type dialogue it is publicised to infinity compared to a genocide, where ppl are starving to death and being tortured and persecuted in a myriad of ways... Honestly I'd rather die in an instant from a nuke then starve or watch my close ones die. But I guess the more theatrical the more headlines the more exposure, and lives are shunned and shoved under the rug in other parts of the world.
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Re: Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine [Re: ashfiken] 1
#27737669 - 04/16/22 06:35 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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The raw truth is because the world has been tired of hearing about problems in the middle east. They no longer care about the region.
Ukraine is novelty, a new threat, a potential WW3 threat and it worries the West a lot more than a middle east conflict because it affects the population.
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Re: Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine [Re: Patlal] 1
#27737678 - 04/16/22 06:52 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Q: “Which is more important?l
: More important to whom?
For North America to gossip over? Then I’d say Ukraine.
For Ukrainians, I’d say Ukraine. For Yemenis, I’d say Yemen.
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Re: Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine [Re: ashfiken] 1
#27737699 - 04/16/22 07:17 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Same answer as the last time I said it. Ukrainians are white. Mystery solved.
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Re: Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine [Re: Brian Jones]
#27737751 - 04/16/22 07:54 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Patlal said: The raw truth is because the world has been tired of hearing about problems in the middle east. They no longer care about the region.
Ukraine is novelty, a new threat, a potential WW3 threat and it worries the West a lot more than a middle east conflict because it affects the population.
Novelty I think that word very poignant in this scenario.
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The Blind Ass said: Q: “Which is more important?l
: More important to whom?
For North America to gossip over? Then I’d say Ukraine.
For Ukrainians, I’d say Ukraine. For Yemenis, I’d say Yemen.
Etc
Very true. This post was meant to be a bit facetious obv.
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Brian Jones said: Same answer as the last time I said it. Ukrainians are white. Mystery solved.
Can't argue with this one. Spot on sad.
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Re: Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine [Re: TheDirtFarmer] 2
#27738467 - 04/17/22 09:12 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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TheDirtFarmer said: The yemen thing is not publicized as much because it doesn't involve the threat of nuclear war and its not fucking up the world economy.
It’s not publicized because we are the ones doing the imperialism there, not an official enemy.
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Re: Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#27738476 - 04/17/22 09:15 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ding ding
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Re: Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine [Re: The Blind Ass] 1
#27738487 - 04/17/22 09:21 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Blind Ass said: Q: “Which is more important?l
: More important to whom?
For North America to gossip over? Then I’d say Ukraine.
For Ukrainians, I’d say Ukraine. For Yemenis, I’d say Yemen.
Etc
Yeah we need to hammer down exactly what we mean as ‘importance’ here.
Important to the media cycle? To the world powers? Trade? Geopolitics as a whole? Human society?
Based on tallying up sheer numbers of death and misery it’s easily Yemen. And you could make an argument that the Houthis maintaining a foothold on the Saudi border has implications about the hegemony of the Gulf monarchs, Wahhabism, and the energy policy of the rest of the world.
BUT, a, maybe THE, major driving force of contemporary global security policy has been the prospect of a Russian (or Chinese) force threatening US hegemony by expanding their sphere of influence across Western Europe. Ukraine isn’t Western Europe by any imaginable sense, but it’s a little too close to comfort for an America that can begin to see the sun setting on our ability to run roughshod over the entire planet, so we are blowing the whistles like a motherfucker. It also presents a nice distraction from the abject failure of domestic politics.
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Re: Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine [Re: ashfiken]
#27738929 - 04/17/22 03:35 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Insanity,
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Re: Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine [Re: The Blind Ass]
#27739817 - 04/18/22 07:40 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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I guess when speaking importance I am referring to humanitarian.
Also, with all of what the ecstatic said, threat of change of geopolitics, the hegemony of US and the dollar etc... What would the world look like after the rupture of our known American bubble? I mean obviously it means a decline in the lives of the average American. But for the rest of the world. What changes would appear that would effectively differentiate our lives in this growing global network. What could be expected. What should be feared. What should be championed? What should global security policy be? How should it look after our imperial clutch is finally deconstructed.
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Re: Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine [Re: Brian Jones]
#27739872 - 04/18/22 08:46 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Brian Jones said: Same answer as the last time I said it. Ukrainians are white. Mystery solved.
That seems as a rhetorical cop out. I would argue a more realistic reason would be Putin having power over the old Soviet Bloc and that scares the shit out of the world. If you truly believe that it's simply Racism then so be it, who am I to “tell” you how to believe. But when the CCCP invaded Afghanistan we backed Afghanistan with weapons and $$, other situations aswell Kuwait, Kurds, Vietnam, Korea, yadda yadda… Certainly one could argue “other motivations” BUT the BLUF is the US has backed many COCs, Countries of Color. Then there is the fact that if we are supporting White Ukraine, we are Enemies of White Russia so how does the race card get filled here?
For me I’m married to UKR so it’s a no Brainier who and why is more important to me. Ukrainian GOV is far from clean, BUT her people do not deserve to be mowed down for no reason other than a fucked up actor wanting the Soviet Union back. My entire in-Law side is still in UKR, I would be there now if I were “allowed” to go. This take over has been the long Game of Putin ever since... In 2004 I was in Kiev and the Russians were building the Dyke from Russia to Crimea to get a solid foothold on the peninsula. Likely because Putin's Boy Yanakovich was ousted and replaced with Yushenko during the Orange revolution. Putin has just upped the Game since Yanakovich was ousted again in the Maidan Revolution in '14.
Not that I do not care for Yemen, or anywhere else that people are dying at the hands of some shithead, BUT for someone with ties to Yemen, I imagine, Yemen the more important issue.
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Re: Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine [Re: Aquadoc]
#27740025 - 04/18/22 11:05 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Aquadoc said: I would argue a more realistic reason would be Putin having power over the old Soviet Bloc and that scares the shit out of the world.
Why would it scare the shit out of anyone? In case you didn't know (the Western mainstream rarely mentions this), Putin is simply asking that the US/NATO stop threatening Crimea and formally recognize it (it's been a Russian territory since 2014), and he's also asking that Ukraine quit bombing Donbas and recognize their independence (they declared their independence in 2014), and finally they want Ukraine to be a neutral country (neither a NATO NOR a Russian ally). Since Ukraine wouldn't give them this security before the invasion, they also want denazification of Ukraine, which appears to be the primary opposition to peace.
Putin wouldn't have any more power than he had since 2014, just additional security.
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Aquadoc said: For me I’m married to UKR so it’s a no Brainier who and why is more important to me. Ukrainian GOV is far from clean, BUT her people do not deserve to be mowed down for no reason other than a fucked up actor wanting the Soviet Union back.
See above. They're not taking anything back, they just want the 2014 borders recognized.
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Aquadoc said: My entire in-Law side is still in UKR, I would be there now if I were “allowed” to go. This take over has been the long Game of Putin ever since... In 2004 I was in Kiev and the Russians were building the Dyke from Russia to Crimea to get a solid foothold on the peninsula. Likely because Putin's Boy Yanakovich was ousted and replaced with Yushenko during the Orange revolution.
If you knew the history better, you'd know that Yanakovich wasn't "Putin's Boy", he simply wanted an energy deal that was best for Ukraine, and Russia was offering a better deal. That pissed the West off and we decided to oust Yanakovich.
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Re: Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#27740232 - 04/18/22 01:37 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Aww, the Kremlin just want Crimea recognized and after that they’ll be good. And the CCP just wants Taiwan back and afterwards everyone promises to play nice and just sit pretty with whatever they’ve currently got! They all swear on it and will even go so far as to sign pieces of paper saying so in front of important people to show they are serious. 
Before the Ukraine conflict Russia was a model nation, that was until the evil Nazis in Ukraine attacked other Ukrainians while simultaneously the evil NATO terrified them into invading Ukraine!
Funny, how the locations closest to Russia are the only ones in the country being liberated and saved by Russia. It’s almost like the close proximity allowed the kremlin to conveniently work ops over a period of decades to infiltrate from within and fan the flames of rebellion & dissent until it looked like they could get away with making it seem all of the generic every day people themselves actually thought they themselves wanted to be part of Russia bc that’s the natural choice when dealing with the Americans and Ukrainian govs since they are so fundamentally different than the kremlin. / sarcasm / Derp.
Give me a break. Dude, you’ve got Putin’s dick so far up your ass it is actually disrupting the reasoning centers in your brain. Like how some of those cordyceps fungi infecting ants does - except with Putin dick.
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Re: Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#27740370 - 04/18/22 03:01 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Interesting Point of View Falcon. What is your source for these conclusions? 2014 Borders that were STOLEN??? This is like saying "There's a lot of Cuban Bloodline in Miami so Cuba can just waltz in and take South FL."
As I said before this has been going on since I have been paying attention to UKR. AGAIN the Dyke being built from mainland Russia to Crimea. Crimea was given to Ukraine in 1954ish presumably because (as they are finding out now) Logistics are a nightmare when Ukraine remains the Land lock to Crimea. I do have friends in Crimea (who were not allowed to vote because they had UKR Passports) that have let me in on some insights about Crimea.
As far as Eastern UKR, Separatists is an interesting word for what happened there BUT OK fine. Again having Family in Ukraine, I imagine my sources may be biased. But you know when you actually live there, there may be some insight that the MSM might not be privy to.
Putin wants Security FROM what???? Ukraine is roughly the size of TX about 75,000 sqml smaller. So TX declaring war on the US and Canada would be a fair comparison.
BUT since you've been following this since 2014 you may know more than me...You know when in 2004 UKRAINE held the Orange revolution, and Yanakovich was ousted by Ukrainians and even tho he turned out to SUCK Yushenko was voted in. AND OH yes he was Putin's Boy LOL
I do find it interesting that Putin is showing his ASS militarily. His Army Sucks. All he has is Air superiority (over a small country like UKR), and the threat of NUC's, This is akin to me beating on a 10 year old on the playground but the ten year old still cock punches me and makes me run off the playground. LOL OH and yes I watch reports from both Russia and UKR.
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Re: Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#27740416 - 04/18/22 03:24 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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ALSO NOTHING That you perceive as outrageous IE. Want a neutral country, want borders recognized etc... can Justify what those Cunts are doing to UKR Civilians!
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Re: Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine [Re: Aquadoc]
#27740429 - 04/18/22 03:31 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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But if we listened to Fal or Chop they’d try and convince us it’s mostly all the Ukrainians who are killing other Ukrainians and then falsely blaming it on the Russians who are simply the only a rational actor who’s hand was forced & they had to step in to play the role of peacekeeper/liberator/protector.
Throughout history - how many times has a similar line been used already to obfuscate the truth? Lots.
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Re: Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine [Re: The Blind Ass] 1
#27740447 - 04/18/22 03:39 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Or listen to me and get off your moral high horse where as Americans you subscribe to the same shit Russia is doing. We have done this repeatedly for the past 40 years. Policed the world. Prop up illegitimate govts. Start wars bc it suits us. That was the point of this thread. To maybe get some to think that instead of crying about Ukraine(obviously an atrocity with a background that a few here find relevant to current events). Not to keep talking bout how terrible Russia is. Fuck we are MORE terrible so what is the fucking big deal
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Re: Which is more important and why? Yemen or Ukraine [Re: ashfiken]
#27740487 - 04/18/22 04:03 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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You really are just a dumb fucker.
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