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How to aid in pinning for PE? 2
#27731035 - 04/12/22 05:16 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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So I've been having this problem lately where my PE shoebox will go forever with out seeing anything until I'm about to throw it away then bam I see a little pin lol. Anyway I can get them to come in faster? I tried adding way more fae but it's kinda dried the sub a bit so I've been lightly misting
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I heard casing with vermiculite+peat moss works wonders.
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A couple of things. PE needs a casing, which if you're growing PE you probably already know. Second, it's not a good variety for beginners as it likes to take its time. But that said, since you're growing PE you probably already know that. But yeah, that's all.
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Re: How to aid in pinning for PE? [Re: MTZ] 1
#27731071 - 04/12/22 06:40 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah haha I already knew the second half of that but tbh I figured I could just get away with 1:1 ratio spawn to sub 100% coir, with a 1/4in layer of extra coir to act as a casing but taking a little longer then I had thought lol but think I may try the verm or I'll just leave it as an experiment 🤘🍄
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PE is just slow. Casing helps to encourage pinning and prevent blobbing but you can get away with a thick pseudocasing instead. P9hu7 has detailed info on that here.
A high spawn ratio like 1:1 will actually promote blobbing and be counter productive to your pseudocasing.
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Re: How to aid in pinning for PE? [Re: Doctor Mario] 1
#27731086 - 04/12/22 07:13 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Any advice on if I can still out an extra layer on there too help still if I made the shoebox about 16 days ago
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If it's already pinning, I'd just let it ride. Do anything to it now could cause more harm than good.
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Yeah, thoroughly read that p9 link doc Mario gave you. 1:1 is not near enough sub. I would run at least 1:3 next time. Verm really helps hold the amount of water pe needs, so very beneficial for this variety. They are very thirsty, and slow growers. And don't be scared to pack a good 1-2" pseudo casing layer on there when you spawn(again this leads to more available water). P9 runs a 1:5 or 1:6 ratio I believe and packs his boxes to the rim! But very well your pinning issues may be because your ratio is too nutritious. Good luck!
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Yeah, if its already pinning I would just run what I brung at that point. If its not pinning yet, you can case it with some jiffy seed starter.
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They're kinda a pain in the ass. But soooo worth it. Once you try them out, you'll see. 5 gram tea had me lit for almost 3 hours. Very worth the wait. 
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Re: How to aid in pinning for PE? [Re: Doctor Mario] 1
#27731548 - 04/12/22 03:04 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Coolio I appreciate all the help🙏 gave that a read threw and I will probably try out the jiffy seed starter for shits n gigs
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Noob here that just had the same problem. My problems were fixed by adjusting fruiting conditions that were too dry by utilizing a water tub. After putting the box in a water tub, the primordia started to convert to pins and the fruits started to grow like crazy.
These are my first grows ever.
4 quarts BRF, 4 quarts CC, no casing, shoe box inside of a water tub after only three days:

4 quarts BRF, 4 quarts CC, no casing, shoe box inside of a water tub. Not PE, but shows what happens when they have more time in the right conditions. One week in water tub:
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Re: How to aid in pinning for PE? [Re: freshie] 1
#27731608 - 04/12/22 04:07 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you’re going to case PE with peat/verm, you should really check Tedsdeads thread on how/when to properly apply it (thickness etc). PE is one of the best varieties for weight/potency production.. possibly only matched by its predecessor, melmak
I had troubles with miracle grow peat… if you can find another organic brand that doesn’t have additives like plant food, I’d suggest that. I use Hoffman’s Canadian organic brand and love the stuff. Here’s my write up of peat casing instructions for good measure
Also, Here’s how I grow PE in 16qt tubs
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Re: How to aid in pinning for PE? [Re: fahtster] 1
#27732368 - 04/13/22 06:53 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sweet I'll have to look around for any organic kind and tbh it's been 100% colonized for a week now I'll prob just wait and cross my fingers💯 I've heard PE loves fae, maybe I should flip lid and light mist everyday? I have 2 other shoeboxes that had GT I'm them, they were all spawned at same time and the GT is already harvested with the PE sitting in the wind lol
Edited by Psychonauticsgod21 (04/13/22 06:55 AM)
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Results from the water tub:



No casing.
And many, many more to come!
Keep in mind, those three monsters are in the above shot of my PE shoe box. That was two days growth to go from that to monsters!
In addition, the box is now full of pins.
Edited by freshie (04/14/22 01:22 PM)
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Not PE, but shows what happens in two days with the correct conditions. This is the same box as the box on the left in the above shot with two boxes, two days later:

All of my shoe boxes really like being in a water tub.
I estimate that my PE is growing at a rate of about 20-30g per day per mushroom once they get over 20g or so. They are thirsty girls for sure!
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Re: How to aid in pinning for PE? [Re: freshie] 1
#27735019 - 04/14/22 08:40 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wow that's amazing I think I'm gunna give this a go and put my PE shoebox along with 2 box's of GT I got on the 2 flush now in a water tub to give it a go💪 I know you gotta be patient as possible but it's been 3 or 4 days with no growth on the 2nd flush box's I'm sure they'll kick in was just hoping I'd have another flush within a week maybe this water tub trick will help me out thank you!
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In my short 2.5 months of experience, PE grows just as fast or faster once you find the sweet spot.
Also, it is my humble opinion that casing layers are for people that do not know how to dial in surface conditions.
Pretty sure the results speak for themselves.
Should have another two over 100g by Monday!
Edited by freshie (04/15/22 11:56 PM)
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Re: How to aid in pinning for PE? [Re: freshie] 1
#27736630 - 04/15/22 11:53 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: How to aid in pinning for PE? [Re: LotKid] 1
#27736633 - 04/15/22 11:57 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Up for a challenge?
I just knocked up two bags of PE.
You ready to start tonight?
Put up or STFU!
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