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Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. * 3
    #27724321 - 04/07/22 08:47 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Anti fungal bacterias, bacterias that aid in nutrient digestion and uptake. That's what it's supposed to be if I understand correctly.


There are comparable products in 5he commercial agaricus business in Europe.

So, how would you package and prepare dry powdered biologicals? I'm sure this is like how mycoryhaiza is made and packaged to some extent.


But what I'm really wondering, if the shits legit, I should be able to put it on a petri dish right? Potentially identify said strains of bacterium?



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One of the bacterias they've claimed to contain is the one describe primarily in this article.
So ya the ideas there, but if they aren't even willing to list it as an ingredient how do we know it's real?
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330711315_Impact_of_Bacillus_subtilis_QST713_mushroom_grain_spawn_treatment_on_yield_and_green_mould_control


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: QM33] * 1
    #27724445 - 04/07/22 11:13 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Edit: I deleted most of what I said after some further research it seems like there is potentially really something to this.

I ordered some products to test for my self.

It doesn't seem out of the ordinary that adding nitrogen fixing bacteria could help with immune response and overall performance


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: Eclipse3130] * 1
    #27724502 - 04/07/22 12:06 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Can I get a sample? You obviously plan on handling sterile I'm sure.

Did you get all 3? Different kinds?


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And I agree, but I'm just worried that it's complete bullshit, like ingredient wise, like maybe it's just fucking random powder ha.

Ha I wonder what you said


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: QM33] * 1
    #27724674 - 04/07/22 02:48 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I was mainly commenting on the trich evict stuff I don't really have any interest in that cause I don't have too many issues with trich. And at first anyone would be skeptical and think it's bullshit for sure. But the MGP pure on its own seems like it's worth a shot.

It makes me think it's probably the main benefit of using manure is the beneficial bacteria that comes along with it which enhances fruits to a degree.

With the ability to add the beneficial bacteria without the poop seems awesome.

It's worth a shot, at least! You should be able to order some, he has $5 sample bags and you don't need any sterility with this, just clean water to mix and spray on your substrate and grains when mixing.

Based on everyone's results it seems something is going on to at least consider trying


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: Eclipse3130] * 1
    #27724678 - 04/07/22 02:53 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Whose results?


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: QM33] * 1
    #27724680 - 04/07/22 02:54 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

And I was under the impression you would try culturing it on a petri like I mentioned. If I can get a sample for that cheap I'll order it now


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: QM33] * 1
    #27724687 - 04/07/22 03:00 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Okay well I ordered it. I'll put some straight to a petri and some hydrated with sterile water probably in different dilution ratios, as well as vie under a microscope. We will see how alie this shit is at least, and what else all might be in it. I've never tried to identify anything like that, but I never did alot of things I do.


Also, this brings alot of it together for me


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: QM33] * 1
    #27724703 - 04/07/22 03:20 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I'm sure you could grow some of it on agar, it most likely would also be a beneficial additive.


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: Eclipse3130] * 1
    #27724716 - 04/07/22 03:39 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

That's what I figure. So if it's the real deal, hey, maybe I sign up to be a little helper for them.
But idk, no legitimate trials I've seen, and asking random people to sign up to help sell your stuff doesn't align with my moto of "if you have a good product, it sells itself". Idk whalesea


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: QM33] * 1
    #27724722 - 04/07/22 03:49 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

That's why you and me are both sampling it. Let's see if it actually does anything.

I will be doing a side by side experiment with regular CVG and CVG + MGP same clone, same spawn


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: Eclipse3130] * 1
    #27724729 - 04/07/22 03:58 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Well that's good, because I'm in the midst of trialing subs and strains so I have no frame of reference right now to be honest, other than my microscope haha.
This should be fun!

I'll post my results here, let me know if you post them somewhere besides here but we could totally turn this into the Dr myc review thread I've been dying to see. And honestly if this one proves fruitfull I would bet they all work.
I do wonder why they only offer this variety in a sample tho...


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: QM33] * 1
    #27726455 - 04/08/22 10:49 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I talked to a few people who have used it and this stuff is definitely legit.

It's basically all the beneficials of manure without using manure.


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: Eclipse3130] * 1
    #27726721 - 04/09/22 05:14 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Youde think they would have someone prove that by now..

This shits been out for over a year I'm sure, probably almost 2..?


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    #27726923 - 04/09/22 08:45 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: SharaVabdas] * 1
    #27727027 - 04/09/22 09:47 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Ya idk I read a little on the bacteria that was mentioned, probably need to read more but idk I'm waiting for it now so we'll see.


I guess it blows my mind then noone in the community is blowing it up..


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: Eclipse3130] * 1
    #27727104 - 04/09/22 10:36 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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I talked to a few people who have used it and this stuff is definitely legit.

It's basically all the beneficials of manure without using manure.




I think so too. I sterilize my peat moss casing layer, and I  treat it with TrichEvict (MPG Plus now), and I have not gotten any trich yet like others who sterilize their peat casing.


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: MycoWeek] * 2
    #27727107 - 04/09/22 10:38 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I've been aware of it for well over a year and been keeping a pretty close eye on it.
How there are such great reviews, especially without a single problem, is crazy. Time will soon tell.




So you've used this?! Wow, first person I've been able to meet first hand.


What's it smell like?




Now I'm wondering the pH of the solution it makes


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: QM33] * 1
    #27727195 - 04/09/22 11:29 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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I've been aware of it for well over a year and been keeping a pretty close eye on it.
How there are such great reviews, especially without a single problem, is crazy. Time will soon tell.




So you've used this?! Wow, first person I've been able to meet first hand.


What's it smell like?




Now I'm wondering the pH of the solution it makes




LOL really? I am the first person you know who used it? I made a post about my experience a while back, and I was banned for 3 days because I sounded too much like a snake oil salesperson. I've been dying to share my experience of this product, but it seems like most people are not too fond of this product and the ideas behind it on this forum.

When I started growing, it was also the same time I found some bad water leak in my kitchen. During the mold removal process, my house was covered with mold spores with giant fans blowing my kitchen for 3 weeks straight. Even in this environment, I never got any kind of mold, which makes me believe the product is doing what it's advertised to do.

also, pretty much all my spawns from my earlier project are all bacterial, and they still produced decent flushes.

The powder kind of smells like fish food and doesn't smell like anything once you mixed with water.


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: MycoWeek] * 1
    #27727201 - 04/09/22 11:33 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I have some agar with mold in it, and I want to perform an experiment with it.  I'll have 6 PF cakes fully colonized with agar wedges, and put them to fruiting condition. and I would treat 3 cakes with the product and 3 without, and apply a tiny piece of mold on each cake and see what happens.


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: MycoWeek] * 1
    #27727232 - 04/09/22 11:58 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Let's see it! Ide love to. And fuck anyone trying to stop you from sharing your experience..?!?


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: QM33] * 1
    #27727929 - 04/09/22 07:57 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

In terms of widely known it is still super low key, we are still early.


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: Eclipse3130] * 3
    #27730243 - 04/11/22 12:59 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I have been running experiments on 3 separate grows. In all three grows the one's with added probiotics flushed more, and the yield improved by at last 15%

https://www.makeorganicsoil.com/collections/innoculants/products/5e9-soil-inoculant

I found this a few months ago and began using it. I have found this has a lot of the beneficial bacteria found in the studies, and it did not contaminate any of my shoeboxes.


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: FungiPapi] * 1
    #27730272 - 04/11/22 01:18 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Okay I see you! I'll have to check out the info on all those strains and stuff but that is interesting! And ide bet it is comparable to what dr.myc claims to have, who knows tho it may contain that are less beneficial to fungi also, idk.
And say it was similar or even the same, I wonder how the price compares to dr.myc. is dr.myc buying similar powders and relabeling them? Without ingredients lists at that?! Haidfk


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    #27732756 - 04/13/22 12:02 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Pseudomonas Putida, Pseudomonas Fluorescens, and Bacillus Subtilis in studies have been identified as mushroom growth promoting (MGP) fungi and bacteria.


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: FungiPapi] * 1
    #27732837 - 04/13/22 12:46 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I've been using it for a couple months now with pretty good success...

I do all of my growing in completely sterile spawn bags using a Coir based substrate, a couple months ago I tried injecting the MGP into my bags at the same time as innoculating with my fungus of choice.


pink and blue oysters, Reishi, and Turkey Tail all colonized nearly a week before the control, Cordyceps seems to have been slowed down a bit but colonization is still even and they don't appear stalled.

One of my test bags developed a green slime mold but that was out of 24 so it was likely an issue on my part and not with the product.

I have yet to dry and weigh the batches for a direct comparison there but it seems to be having beneficial effects.


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: FungiPapi] * 1
    #27732845 - 04/13/22 12:49 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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Pseudomonas Putida, Pseudomonas Fluorescens, and Bacillus Subtilis in studies have been identified as mushroom growth promoting (MGP) fungi and bacteria.



What effect do the others in the product you use have do you think?

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Pseudomonas Putida, Pseudomonas Fluorescens, and Bacillus Subtilis in studies have been identified as mushroom growth promoting (MGP) fungi and bacteria.



And you can apperantly buy all three of those at carolina.com...
https://m.carolina.com/bacteria/pseudomonas-putida-living-tube/155265.pr

Can we make this?




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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: QM33] * 1
    #27733042 - 04/13/22 03:16 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

this is taking an interesting turn, subscribing


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: dyel] * 1
    #27733043 - 04/13/22 03:17 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Actually just received mine! Sadly right after I got out of the lab, literally... Hermetically sealed so that's a good start for me for sure.


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    #27734283 - 04/14/22 11:08 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I made a few tubs and sprayed my grains thoroughly with it. I'll let you guys know if I notice anything.

Made a decently thick top layer so nothing poking through yet. 1 day 12 hours post

Using MGP Pure not worried about trich


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    #27734330 - 04/14/22 11:41 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: SharaVabdas] * 2
    #27736452 - 04/15/22 08:41 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I am glad more people are willing to give this a try! I honestly believe things like this is revolutionary, where we no longer have to grow mushrooms in an "air bubble".

Healthy and well-developed mycelium can protect itself if proper "tools" are available in their environment.


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: MycoWeek] * 1
    #27736780 - 04/16/22 04:38 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Not necessarily, healthy and well development mycelium should thrive on its own. The anti trich product is for compensating poor technique, I don't think anyone could make me believe otherwise, if your growing mushrooms right, you shouldn't need that.

However, the beneficial bacteria we've been talking about, I don't think necessarily effect the mycelium I'm any way, but the bacterias break down the nutrients and make it available for the mycelium, essentially the equivalent of worms in compost.


Might have some lab time todau to mess with he stuff.


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: SharaVabdas] * 2
    #27737093 - 04/16/22 09:38 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

True, when domesticating wild cubes even, they highly prefer manure when close to the spores, sometimes they will have a hard time fruiting properly without the biome.

Penis envy are probably the greatest example of a domesticated cube that does extremely well in coir only


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: QM33] * 1
    #27738692 - 04/17/22 12:58 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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Not necessarily, healthy and well development mycelium should thrive on its own. The anti trich product is for compensating poor technique, I don't think anyone could make me believe otherwise, if your growing mushrooms right, you shouldn't need that.

However, the beneficial bacteria we've been talking about, I don't think necessarily effect the mycelium I'm any way, but the bacterias break down the nutrients and make it available for the mycelium, essentially the equivalent of worms in compost.


Might have some lab time todau to mess with he stuff.




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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: MycoWeek] * 2
    #27738719 - 04/17/22 01:21 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Ya they have a sample pack you can get for like I bucks after shipping.

And honestly it looks like I'm moving so I won't be able to do what I intended with the product. I messaged a few people and they might look into it idk, maybe I'll spray some on my grains and see what happens.


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: SharaVabdas] * 2
    #27740527 - 04/18/22 04:28 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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Not necessarily, healthy and well development mycelium should thrive on its own. The anti trich product is for compensating poor technique, I don't think anyone could make me believe otherwise, if your growing mushrooms right, you shouldn't need that.

However, the beneficial bacteria we've been talking about, I don't think necessarily effect the mycelium I'm any way, but the bacterias break down the nutrients and make it available for the mycelium, essentially the equivalent of worms in compost.


Might have some lab time todau to mess with he stuff.





I dunno. I never had a problem with trich until I started using peat moss. I am going to stop using peat moss, because it invariably contaminates when pasteurized, but seems to be fine when sterilized.

The whole reason we pasteurize bulk substrate instead of sterilizing it is to ensure the beneficial microbes that mushrooms rely on are present. Cubes are pretty good at fruiting under less-than-ideal soil conditions, but some of the gourmet species many of us work with literally will not fruit unless there is a thriving microbiome.

If this stuff works as advertized, it could bring indoor production of a number of outdoor-only species into common practice. Soil health is complex, mushrooms are just one part of that, and understanding the interplay between organisms unlocks doors to mushroom cultivators that were previously inaccessible.

I mean if you're only growing cubes, sure, but we're really talking about mushroom cultivation as a practice, which includes far more than a single species.




I have experienced this with peat too, although it's inherently pro trich due to the pH and needs to get bumped up above neutral

If you do batches of different substrate components, you can reintroduce biotic components through pasteurized manure etc, as long as you let it recolonize the substrate a bit. Been testing this with my poopy staw Panaeolus sub blended with sterile pH 8 peatmoss.


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: SharaVabdas] * 2
    #27753086 - 04/27/22 08:38 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Appreciate that, definetly a bit of a transition.

I do have a buddy I refered the idea too. Hes putting alittle video together I think.


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    #27756216 - 04/29/22 07:34 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

I haven't used a side by side experiment yet with MGP but I've been using it in every tub, the mycelium definitely seems a bit healthier and the fruits appear to be a bit meatier and healthy. Can't say anything for sure until I do a true side by side but it's definitely not doing anything negative and everything seems extraordinary healthy

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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: Eclipse3130] * 2
    #27756225 - 04/29/22 07:43 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Well I can confirm it's a bsolutely bacteria. My buddy is doing a more thorough review.

But under a microscope and in a petri it is maybe 3-8 visually different species from what I've heard ATM.

I wondered at first the degree of which the sterility if packaging may be a factor, but this shits rich with bacteria, so I guess say there was some mold spores in there you were putting on your grain, between the bacteria and myc it probably makes little to no difference.

Idk I was thinking, if you were adding this to water, spraying on grains you would add to master's mix, you would be potentially adding unsterile conditions into your grains. Idk, obviously the bacteria isn't sterile, but I'm specifically talking about unwanted bacterias or molds not intended to be sold by dr.myc.


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    #27756250 - 04/29/22 08:05 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

That happens anyway naturally when you mix spawn and substrate in open air. Tons of trich and spores land all over the stuff. It doesn't contam though because the mycelium colonizes the sub so quickly that anything else doesn't have a chance to take hold, spores and bacteria won't germinate off coir alone though anyway, they'd need an uncolonized grain


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    #27756304 - 04/29/22 09:05 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Ya but I'm talking in terms of gourmet production in front of a flow hood with heavily supplemented substartes also, like the product is also recommended for. And I mean really the same practice could be applied to actives.


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: SharaVabdas] * 2
    #27756345 - 04/29/22 09:45 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Lol I just spent a half hour trying to find mine. I'll give to a shot


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    #27772100 - 05/11/22 12:15 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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I have been running experiments on 3 separate grows. In all three grows the one's with added probiotics flushed more, and the yield improved by at last 15%

https://www.makeorganicsoil.com/collections/innoculants/products/5e9-soil-inoculant

I found this a few months ago and began using it. I have found this has a lot of the beneficial bacteria found in the studies, and it did not contaminate any of my shoeboxes.




This is absolutely fascinating to me. The inclusion of Bacillus Thuringiensis (israelensisis variety in particular) is something I have used to keep fungus gnats out of my indoor plants, but I never would have thought to inoculate my grains or substrate bags with it... Could be a game changer for culinary growers who can lose a chamber real quick if not vigilant. Now to find an economical way to get sterile cultures of just the bt bacterium to test first.

The initial plan I have is exposing control bags and bags inoculated with BT bacterium to outdoor fungus gnats until infestation is seen in at least the control bags. Both will be kept together and if the BT treated bags remains infection free, that would mean we might have found a way to almost eliminate a major worry that looms over all of us. Next would be to see if any of the BT bacterium has made its way onto the fruit body. (although BT is widely accepted as nontoxic to humans and used in agriculture in the United States)

I am going to test this on some oysters and brown beech bags as soon as I have time. I'll make sure to report back on my findings.


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: GourmetGod]
    #27772247 - 05/11/22 05:03 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Make sure you do.


My controlled and uncontrolled trials on 4 species and 3 varieties of the 4th are showing no beneficial or problematic signs of using Dr. Myc MGP at this point.

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    #27772631 - 05/11/22 12:52 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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Make sure you do.


My controlled and uncontrolled trials on 4 species and 3 varieties of the 4th are showing no beneficial or problematic signs of using Dr. Myc MGP at this point.

Getting really close to fruiting too




Awesome! Looking forward to seeing your results. A negative result is still a valuable result as people look further into it. If it works, part of being a mushroom farmer might be culturing bacteria colonies as well. Unfortunately my only experience with growing bacteria cultures is cleaning up cultures from wild spores. They seem to grow easily though...

From what I can tell, the probiotic mixes usually have a nitrogen fixing bacteria that converts N2 from the atmosphere to ammonium NH4+. This acts as a fruiting trigger to some mushroom species, but I have been unable to find the effect on yields studied yet. I will post any info I can find, but this looks to be a relatively unexplored aspect of mycology.


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: GourmetGod]
    #27772647 - 05/11/22 01:05 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

And to go along with that ide be interested in what species your referring to that it promotes I guess primordia formation is what you mean.?


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    #27772711 - 05/11/22 02:01 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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And to go along with that ide be interested in what species your referring to that it promotes I guess primordia formation is what you mean.?




Yes, I believe it leads to triggering primordia formation in some species. My recent interest in the subject has come the the interest in learning more on the morel life cycle. I am no expert in this subject, just a culinary mushroom farmer that is looking for a new challenge to explore after getting bored with the daily grind of growing the typical oyster/shiitake/brown beech/enokitake/lions mane varieties. I did stay at a holiday inn once though...

If you look at the successful indoor cultivation by a couple groups with morels, both seem to take an approach that would not be sterile. The original success was using only partially composted native soil to the morel, and the danish morel project appears to be doing something similar. It is my hypothesis that the beneficial bacteria play a critical role in triggering fruiting of morel after sclerotia formation. As the soil warms up and the bacteria go out of dormancy, it releases a chemical(s) that is the signal for morels to fruit. Does this make sense to you or am I talking nonsense? (please let me know if I am speaking nonsense as I am entirely self taught in mycology)   

I found a very interesting paper on this subject:

https://sfamjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1462-2920.14765

Particularly interesting passage:

"The environment within and surrounding fungal hyphae, sometimes known as the mycosphere, influences and is strongly influenced by bacterial communities, to the extent that many macrofungi are unable to produce fruiting bodies in a sterile environment (Noble et al., 2003, 2009)."

When following other articles I found NH4 come up several times. I will try to track down a few that I have found. Then again, the NH4 could be triggering growth in surrounding plant life and it is an indirect cause of fruiting as it triggers the plant to release the chemical that triggers the mushroom to fruit.


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: GourmetGod]
    #27772725 - 05/11/22 02:20 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Absolutely. That's a much different story than cubensis and commonly cultivated indoor varieties,like this product is being marketed for.


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    #27772799 - 05/11/22 03:32 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Sorry, I was thinking of less common species that may require it therefore not be commercially viable yet. (unlike strains like oysters which will grow to cardboard packaging if you let it).

I'm skeptical how much it would help yields of easily fruited strains, but I could see it being useful for contamination issues. This is one of the reasons my initial interest was in the BT bacteria. It won't help yields but can avoid ever worrying about fungus gnats.

I'll do some research on all the bacteria listed in that formula and try to lay out a chart to start trying to figure out which I want to focus on testing out.


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: GourmetGod]
    #27773851 - 05/12/22 11:22 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Just an update I've noticed no increase of speed or yields using it sprayed on grains before spawning cubes. Everything seems to be acting the exact same. Also though, I've only done one side by side but I sprayed it on everything else using clones I've ran for some time, don't notice any differences.

I'm not saying it doesn't work though. There's definitely no disadvantage it seems..


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #27773902 - 05/12/22 11:57 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Other than wasting your money lol...

And empowering profiteers?

And I'm not calling it yet. Just saying, if you know like, that's how it went for everyone.

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    #27774261 - 05/12/22 03:48 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Won't really know for sure until it's used on grain soak, and throughout the whole process side by side. It's so cheap and lasts so long anyway not really that big of a waste. I'm sure it does something beneficial when used throughout the entire process I'll be testing it further


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    #27780213 - 05/16/22 12:37 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

FungiPapi said:
I have been running experiments on 3 separate grows. In all three grows the one's with added probiotics flushed more, and the yield improved by at last 15%

https://www.makeorganicsoil.com/collections/innoculants/products/5e9-soil-inoculant

I found this a few months ago and began using it. I have found this has a lot of the beneficial bacteria found in the studies, and it did not contaminate any of my shoeboxes.




This is absolutely fascinating to me. The inclusion of Bacillus Thuringiensis (israelensisis variety in particular) is something I have used to keep fungus gnats out of my indoor plants, but I never would have thought to inoculate my grains or substrate bags with it... Could be a game changer for culinary growers who can lose a chamber real quick if not vigilant. Now to find an economical way to get sterile cultures of just the bt bacterium to test first.

The initial plan I have is exposing control bags and bags inoculated with BT bacterium to outdoor fungus gnats until infestation is seen in at least the control bags. Both will be kept together and if the BT treated bags remains infection free, that would mean we might have found a way to almost eliminate a major worry that looms over all of us. Next would be to see if any of the BT bacterium has made its way onto the fruit body. (although BT is widely accepted as nontoxic to humans and used in agriculture in the United States)

I am going to test this on some oysters and brown beech bags as soon as I have time. I'll make sure to report back on my findings.




I actually have noticed a reduction in gnats. However, I just moved and that could also be the reason as well.


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: FungiPapi]
    #27783056 - 05/18/22 02:07 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Very cool, I look forward to testing it more. I can say that bacteria has been exceedingly effective at eliminating all fungus gnats that I used to have crop up every once and awhile inside. Beyond that, I haven't has a single outbreak of them with 40+ plants growing inside my house for the two years that I have added it to my watering schedule.

I am waiting until I am done with farmers market season this year to start my tests. Something about purposefully propagating fungus gnats on my residence that I am currently growing part of my income seems a bit too risky haha


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: GourmetGod]
    #27783806 - 05/19/22 04:48 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Let's stay on topic. Unless you got an experiment to show, who cares.


And anyone who really wants an answer to this is going to have to do more experiments, or wait for others. Mine won't be completed for another couple weeks at least, and it won't be available here results wise.......... Idk it's not 9ver, but don't bring that wierd fungus nat shit in here unless you have a controlled experiment or a scientific paper.


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: QM33]
    #27915929 - 08/24/22 01:40 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Any updates?

Im super interested in your guys' side by side results


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    #27916493 - 08/24/22 11:38 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I didn't do any side by sides because I'm running a clone that I know how it performs over a long period of time, I ran a batch with MGP plus sprayed on the grains and sub when spawning, I didn't notice a single thing.

It might help with weaker genetics or in certain circumstances


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    #27919153 - 08/26/22 05:32 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Might be a YouTube video coming out very soon. I did some trials on a few different species.


Thanks QM for some of your help by the way! How did the cubensis trials go? Sorry for the lack of communication and that its taken so long!




And eclipse, isn't a clone the best cantidate for a trial because it's removed many variables of the organism?


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: Farm3r]
    #27920597 - 08/27/22 02:35 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

It will be interesting to see your results Farm3r, Qm33 was banned by the way.


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    #27923562 - 08/29/22 05:34 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

If you guys want to check out my channel I'm in the process of unloading everything.
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If you guys have any feedback or anything I would really appreciate it.

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    #27923593 - 08/29/22 06:44 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Thanks I'll check your channel out and give you a subscription.

Qm started to puppet too hard.


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #27925177 - 08/30/22 02:20 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Good videos so far Farm3r.


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #27925276 - 08/30/22 05:08 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Thank you friend.


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    #28337216 - 05/27/23 04:47 PM (7 months, 28 days ago)

In summary, based on the responses, Dr Myc products may, or may not, be beneficial in cultivation, but their propriety and commercial approach is definitely opposed to the open knowledge-sharing ethos that, for many of us, is part of the psilocybin experience. VERDICT: Do not buy Dr. Myc products.

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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: QM33]
    #28356422 - 06/12/23 01:53 AM (7 months, 12 days ago)

I've been using it as a precaution in my grows. I spray at spawn to prevent trich. Guess what? I just scooped out the big green monster. It doesn't do shit as far as keeping trich away. Until now, my technique has prevailed. I'll be calling the company tomorrow to see if their customer service works as well as their product. Plenty of other things to use for yields and fruit size. Hopefully the spoon and iso does more than mgp did for it.


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: TechniQue1]
    #28374692 - 06/26/23 12:36 AM (6 months, 29 days ago)

Ok so I do believe there are bacterias that can enhance mushroom growth and health but it hasn't been studied enough yet. Although there is plenty of suggesting evidence, it's a relatively new science at the moment I think. I have done quite a bit of research on this subject in the way of soil bacterias and their relationship with plants and mycorrhizae. I have to say that you should approach these experiments with extreme caution and educate yourself about the dangers of some of these bacterias and how they can affect human health.  I noticed some pseudomonas strains came up in the thread. Some pseudomonas strains while being very interesting and effective, can be harmful to our health so beware.


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: Farm3r]
    #28376070 - 06/27/23 03:37 AM (6 months, 28 days ago)

I checked out your documented trails with Dr. Myc. Thank you for your time and efforts with that.

What seems weird about the Dr. Myc thing is that they don't list the actual strains on the package. Typically other inoculant products do. I mean if there was a ton of money put into R and D for this I guess I could see why, but I doubt it.

One experiment that might be worthwhile is using it on and at the first sign of trich, like when trich starts to grow that white stuff before it turns green. Or using it on trich in an agar plate.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/318245102_Suppression_of_green_mold_disease_on_oak_mushroom_cultivation_by_antifungal_peptides


Edited by Glomus (06/27/23 04:12 AM)


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: Glomus]
    #28381685 - 07/01/23 06:10 PM (6 months, 24 days ago)

I agree. I'm sure there are probably things in it that do help with your grow. But keeping your substrate ph under control and clean otherwise, with the tools we've used forever is just as good imo. Peroxide, clean technique, casing layers, etc. I will say the customer service was great when I emailed. He offered to refund my cash even though I got it on amazon(though, the seller was them, lol). But I used it in both my substrate and mixed in a spray as directed and sprayed my grains when spawned. I had trich before it pinned. My other tubs with the same sub are fine as are the other grain jars in that batch that I didn't spray... unless it was a fluke. But with those odds and the fact that it doesn't do anything once trich is there, doesn't make 2 grams of product for 30 bucks worth it imo. Maybe their other products are good. I won't write them off totally yet. I put off the refund... for now.


Edited by TechniQue1 (07/01/23 06:12 PM)


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