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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: Eclipse3130] * 2
    #27756225 - 04/29/22 07:43 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Well I can confirm it's a bsolutely bacteria. My buddy is doing a more thorough review.

But under a microscope and in a petri it is maybe 3-8 visually different species from what I've heard ATM.

I wondered at first the degree of which the sterility if packaging may be a factor, but this shits rich with bacteria, so I guess say there was some mold spores in there you were putting on your grain, between the bacteria and myc it probably makes little to no difference.

Idk I was thinking, if you were adding this to water, spraying on grains you would add to master's mix, you would be potentially adding unsterile conditions into your grains. Idk, obviously the bacteria isn't sterile, but I'm specifically talking about unwanted bacterias or molds not intended to be sold by dr.myc.


More info to come.


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: QM33] * 1
    #27756250 - 04/29/22 08:05 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

That happens anyway naturally when you mix spawn and substrate in open air. Tons of trich and spores land all over the stuff. It doesn't contam though because the mycelium colonizes the sub so quickly that anything else doesn't have a chance to take hold, spores and bacteria won't germinate off coir alone though anyway, they'd need an uncolonized grain


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: Eclipse3130] * 1
    #27756304 - 04/29/22 09:05 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Ya but I'm talking in terms of gourmet production in front of a flow hood with heavily supplemented substartes also, like the product is also recommended for. And I mean really the same practice could be applied to actives.


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. *DELETED* [Re: QM33] * 1
    #27756328 - 04/29/22 09:21 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: SharaVabdas] * 2
    #27756345 - 04/29/22 09:45 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Lol I just spent a half hour trying to find mine. I'll give to a shot


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: FungiPapi]
    #27772100 - 05/11/22 12:15 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Quote:

FungiPapi said:
I have been running experiments on 3 separate grows. In all three grows the one's with added probiotics flushed more, and the yield improved by at last 15%

https://www.makeorganicsoil.com/collections/innoculants/products/5e9-soil-inoculant

I found this a few months ago and began using it. I have found this has a lot of the beneficial bacteria found in the studies, and it did not contaminate any of my shoeboxes.




This is absolutely fascinating to me. The inclusion of Bacillus Thuringiensis (israelensisis variety in particular) is something I have used to keep fungus gnats out of my indoor plants, but I never would have thought to inoculate my grains or substrate bags with it... Could be a game changer for culinary growers who can lose a chamber real quick if not vigilant. Now to find an economical way to get sterile cultures of just the bt bacterium to test first.

The initial plan I have is exposing control bags and bags inoculated with BT bacterium to outdoor fungus gnats until infestation is seen in at least the control bags. Both will be kept together and if the BT treated bags remains infection free, that would mean we might have found a way to almost eliminate a major worry that looms over all of us. Next would be to see if any of the BT bacterium has made its way onto the fruit body. (although BT is widely accepted as nontoxic to humans and used in agriculture in the United States)

I am going to test this on some oysters and brown beech bags as soon as I have time. I'll make sure to report back on my findings.


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: GourmetGod]
    #27772247 - 05/11/22 05:03 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Make sure you do.


My controlled and uncontrolled trials on 4 species and 3 varieties of the 4th are showing no beneficial or problematic signs of using Dr. Myc MGP at this point.

Getting really close to fruiting too


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: QM33]
    #27772631 - 05/11/22 12:52 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Quote:

QM33 said:
Make sure you do.


My controlled and uncontrolled trials on 4 species and 3 varieties of the 4th are showing no beneficial or problematic signs of using Dr. Myc MGP at this point.

Getting really close to fruiting too




Awesome! Looking forward to seeing your results. A negative result is still a valuable result as people look further into it. If it works, part of being a mushroom farmer might be culturing bacteria colonies as well. Unfortunately my only experience with growing bacteria cultures is cleaning up cultures from wild spores. They seem to grow easily though...

From what I can tell, the probiotic mixes usually have a nitrogen fixing bacteria that converts N2 from the atmosphere to ammonium NH4+. This acts as a fruiting trigger to some mushroom species, but I have been unable to find the effect on yields studied yet. I will post any info I can find, but this looks to be a relatively unexplored aspect of mycology.


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: GourmetGod]
    #27772647 - 05/11/22 01:05 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

And to go along with that ide be interested in what species your referring to that it promotes I guess primordia formation is what you mean.?


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: QM33]
    #27772711 - 05/11/22 02:01 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Quote:

QM33 said:
And to go along with that ide be interested in what species your referring to that it promotes I guess primordia formation is what you mean.?




Yes, I believe it leads to triggering primordia formation in some species. My recent interest in the subject has come the the interest in learning more on the morel life cycle. I am no expert in this subject, just a culinary mushroom farmer that is looking for a new challenge to explore after getting bored with the daily grind of growing the typical oyster/shiitake/brown beech/enokitake/lions mane varieties. I did stay at a holiday inn once though...

If you look at the successful indoor cultivation by a couple groups with morels, both seem to take an approach that would not be sterile. The original success was using only partially composted native soil to the morel, and the danish morel project appears to be doing something similar. It is my hypothesis that the beneficial bacteria play a critical role in triggering fruiting of morel after sclerotia formation. As the soil warms up and the bacteria go out of dormancy, it releases a chemical(s) that is the signal for morels to fruit. Does this make sense to you or am I talking nonsense? (please let me know if I am speaking nonsense as I am entirely self taught in mycology)   

I found a very interesting paper on this subject:

https://sfamjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1462-2920.14765

Particularly interesting passage:

"The environment within and surrounding fungal hyphae, sometimes known as the mycosphere, influences and is strongly influenced by bacterial communities, to the extent that many macrofungi are unable to produce fruiting bodies in a sterile environment (Noble et al., 2003, 2009)."

When following other articles I found NH4 come up several times. I will try to track down a few that I have found. Then again, the NH4 could be triggering growth in surrounding plant life and it is an indirect cause of fruiting as it triggers the plant to release the chemical that triggers the mushroom to fruit.


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: GourmetGod]
    #27772725 - 05/11/22 02:20 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Absolutely. That's a much different story than cubensis and commonly cultivated indoor varieties,like this product is being marketed for.


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: QM33] * 1
    #27772799 - 05/11/22 03:32 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Sorry, I was thinking of less common species that may require it therefore not be commercially viable yet. (unlike strains like oysters which will grow to cardboard packaging if you let it).

I'm skeptical how much it would help yields of easily fruited strains, but I could see it being useful for contamination issues. This is one of the reasons my initial interest was in the BT bacteria. It won't help yields but can avoid ever worrying about fungus gnats.

I'll do some research on all the bacteria listed in that formula and try to lay out a chart to start trying to figure out which I want to focus on testing out.


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: GourmetGod]
    #27773851 - 05/12/22 11:22 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Just an update I've noticed no increase of speed or yields using it sprayed on grains before spawning cubes. Everything seems to be acting the exact same. Also though, I've only done one side by side but I sprayed it on everything else using clones I've ran for some time, don't notice any differences.

I'm not saying it doesn't work though. There's definitely no disadvantage it seems..


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #27773902 - 05/12/22 11:57 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Other than wasting your money lol...

And empowering profiteers?

And I'm not calling it yet. Just saying, if you know like, that's how it went for everyone.

Idk not getting back into that atm


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: QM33]
    #27774261 - 05/12/22 03:48 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Won't really know for sure until it's used on grain soak, and throughout the whole process side by side. It's so cheap and lasts so long anyway not really that big of a waste. I'm sure it does something beneficial when used throughout the entire process I'll be testing it further


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: GourmetGod]
    #27780213 - 05/16/22 12:37 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Quote:

GourmetGod said:
Quote:

FungiPapi said:
I have been running experiments on 3 separate grows. In all three grows the one's with added probiotics flushed more, and the yield improved by at last 15%

https://www.makeorganicsoil.com/collections/innoculants/products/5e9-soil-inoculant

I found this a few months ago and began using it. I have found this has a lot of the beneficial bacteria found in the studies, and it did not contaminate any of my shoeboxes.




This is absolutely fascinating to me. The inclusion of Bacillus Thuringiensis (israelensisis variety in particular) is something I have used to keep fungus gnats out of my indoor plants, but I never would have thought to inoculate my grains or substrate bags with it... Could be a game changer for culinary growers who can lose a chamber real quick if not vigilant. Now to find an economical way to get sterile cultures of just the bt bacterium to test first.

The initial plan I have is exposing control bags and bags inoculated with BT bacterium to outdoor fungus gnats until infestation is seen in at least the control bags. Both will be kept together and if the BT treated bags remains infection free, that would mean we might have found a way to almost eliminate a major worry that looms over all of us. Next would be to see if any of the BT bacterium has made its way onto the fruit body. (although BT is widely accepted as nontoxic to humans and used in agriculture in the United States)

I am going to test this on some oysters and brown beech bags as soon as I have time. I'll make sure to report back on my findings.




I actually have noticed a reduction in gnats. However, I just moved and that could also be the reason as well.


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: FungiPapi]
    #27783056 - 05/18/22 02:07 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Very cool, I look forward to testing it more. I can say that bacteria has been exceedingly effective at eliminating all fungus gnats that I used to have crop up every once and awhile inside. Beyond that, I haven't has a single outbreak of them with 40+ plants growing inside my house for the two years that I have added it to my watering schedule.

I am waiting until I am done with farmers market season this year to start my tests. Something about purposefully propagating fungus gnats on my residence that I am currently growing part of my income seems a bit too risky haha


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: GourmetGod]
    #27783806 - 05/19/22 04:48 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Let's stay on topic. Unless you got an experiment to show, who cares.


And anyone who really wants an answer to this is going to have to do more experiments, or wait for others. Mine won't be completed for another couple weeks at least, and it won't be available here results wise.......... Idk it's not 9ver, but don't bring that wierd fungus nat shit in here unless you have a controlled experiment or a scientific paper.


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: QM33]
    #27915929 - 08/24/22 01:40 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Any updates?

Im super interested in your guys' side by side results


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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: Kulphrix]
    #27916493 - 08/24/22 11:38 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I didn't do any side by sides because I'm running a clone that I know how it performs over a long period of time, I ran a batch with MGP plus sprayed on the grains and sub when spawning, I didn't notice a single thing.

It might help with weaker genetics or in certain circumstances


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