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Eclipse3130
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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: QM33] 1
#27727929 - 04/09/22 07:57 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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In terms of widely known it is still super low key, we are still early.
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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: Eclipse3130] 3
#27730243 - 04/11/22 12:59 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I have been running experiments on 3 separate grows. In all three grows the one's with added probiotics flushed more, and the yield improved by at last 15%
https://www.makeorganicsoil.com/collections/innoculants/products/5e9-soil-inoculant
I found this a few months ago and began using it. I have found this has a lot of the beneficial bacteria found in the studies, and it did not contaminate any of my shoeboxes.
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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: FungiPapi] 1
#27730272 - 04/11/22 01:18 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Okay I see you! I'll have to check out the info on all those strains and stuff but that is interesting! And ide bet it is comparable to what dr.myc claims to have, who knows tho it may contain that are less beneficial to fungi also, idk. And say it was similar or even the same, I wonder how the price compares to dr.myc. is dr.myc buying similar powders and relabeling them? Without ingredients lists at that?! Haidfk
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#27732756 - 04/13/22 12:02 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Pseudomonas Putida, Pseudomonas Fluorescens, and Bacillus Subtilis in studies have been identified as mushroom growth promoting (MGP) fungi and bacteria.
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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: FungiPapi] 1
#27732837 - 04/13/22 12:46 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I've been using it for a couple months now with pretty good success...
I do all of my growing in completely sterile spawn bags using a Coir based substrate, a couple months ago I tried injecting the MGP into my bags at the same time as innoculating with my fungus of choice.
pink and blue oysters, Reishi, and Turkey Tail all colonized nearly a week before the control, Cordyceps seems to have been slowed down a bit but colonization is still even and they don't appear stalled.
One of my test bags developed a green slime mold but that was out of 24 so it was likely an issue on my part and not with the product.
I have yet to dry and weigh the batches for a direct comparison there but it seems to be having beneficial effects.
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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: FungiPapi] 1
#27732845 - 04/13/22 12:49 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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FungiPapi said: Pseudomonas Putida, Pseudomonas Fluorescens, and Bacillus Subtilis in studies have been identified as mushroom growth promoting (MGP) fungi and bacteria.
What effect do the others in the product you use have do you think?
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FungiPapi said: Pseudomonas Putida, Pseudomonas Fluorescens, and Bacillus Subtilis in studies have been identified as mushroom growth promoting (MGP) fungi and bacteria.
And you can apperantly buy all three of those at carolina.com... https://m.carolina.com/bacteria/pseudomonas-putida-living-tube/155265.pr
Can we make this?
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#27733042 - 04/13/22 03:16 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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this is taking an interesting turn, subscribing
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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: dyel] 1
#27733043 - 04/13/22 03:17 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Actually just received mine! Sadly right after I got out of the lab, literally... Hermetically sealed so that's a good start for me for sure.
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#27734283 - 04/14/22 11:08 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I made a few tubs and sprayed my grains thoroughly with it. I'll let you guys know if I notice anything.
Made a decently thick top layer so nothing poking through yet. 1 day 12 hours post
Using MGP Pure not worried about trich
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#27734330 - 04/14/22 11:41 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: SharaVabdas] 2
#27736452 - 04/15/22 08:41 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I am glad more people are willing to give this a try! I honestly believe things like this is revolutionary, where we no longer have to grow mushrooms in an "air bubble".
Healthy and well-developed mycelium can protect itself if proper "tools" are available in their environment.
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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: MycoWeek] 1
#27736780 - 04/16/22 04:38 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Not necessarily, healthy and well development mycelium should thrive on its own. The anti trich product is for compensating poor technique, I don't think anyone could make me believe otherwise, if your growing mushrooms right, you shouldn't need that.
However, the beneficial bacteria we've been talking about, I don't think necessarily effect the mycelium I'm any way, but the bacterias break down the nutrients and make it available for the mycelium, essentially the equivalent of worms in compost.
Might have some lab time todau to mess with he stuff.
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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: SharaVabdas] 2
#27737093 - 04/16/22 09:38 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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True, when domesticating wild cubes even, they highly prefer manure when close to the spores, sometimes they will have a hard time fruiting properly without the biome.
Penis envy are probably the greatest example of a domesticated cube that does extremely well in coir only
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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: QM33] 1
#27738692 - 04/17/22 12:58 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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QM33 said: Not necessarily, healthy and well development mycelium should thrive on its own. The anti trich product is for compensating poor technique, I don't think anyone could make me believe otherwise, if your growing mushrooms right, you shouldn't need that.
However, the beneficial bacteria we've been talking about, I don't think necessarily effect the mycelium I'm any way, but the bacterias break down the nutrients and make it available for the mycelium, essentially the equivalent of worms in compost.
Might have some lab time todau to mess with he stuff.
interesting take. so you only bought the MGP without trich evict added?
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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: MycoWeek] 2
#27738719 - 04/17/22 01:21 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Ya they have a sample pack you can get for like I bucks after shipping.
And honestly it looks like I'm moving so I won't be able to do what I intended with the product. I messaged a few people and they might look into it idk, maybe I'll spray some on my grains and see what happens.
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Re: Dr.Myc trich evict and other products. [Re: SharaVabdas] 2
#27740527 - 04/18/22 04:28 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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QM33 said: Not necessarily, healthy and well development mycelium should thrive on its own. The anti trich product is for compensating poor technique, I don't think anyone could make me believe otherwise, if your growing mushrooms right, you shouldn't need that.
However, the beneficial bacteria we've been talking about, I don't think necessarily effect the mycelium I'm any way, but the bacterias break down the nutrients and make it available for the mycelium, essentially the equivalent of worms in compost.
Might have some lab time todau to mess with he stuff.
I dunno. I never had a problem with trich until I started using peat moss. I am going to stop using peat moss, because it invariably contaminates when pasteurized, but seems to be fine when sterilized.
The whole reason we pasteurize bulk substrate instead of sterilizing it is to ensure the beneficial microbes that mushrooms rely on are present. Cubes are pretty good at fruiting under less-than-ideal soil conditions, but some of the gourmet species many of us work with literally will not fruit unless there is a thriving microbiome.
If this stuff works as advertized, it could bring indoor production of a number of outdoor-only species into common practice. Soil health is complex, mushrooms are just one part of that, and understanding the interplay between organisms unlocks doors to mushroom cultivators that were previously inaccessible.
I mean if you're only growing cubes, sure, but we're really talking about mushroom cultivation as a practice, which includes far more than a single species.
I have experienced this with peat too, although it's inherently pro trich due to the pH and needs to get bumped up above neutral
If you do batches of different substrate components, you can reintroduce biotic components through pasteurized manure etc, as long as you let it recolonize the substrate a bit. Been testing this with my poopy staw Panaeolus sub blended with sterile pH 8 peatmoss.
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#27753086 - 04/27/22 08:38 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Appreciate that, definetly a bit of a transition.
I do have a buddy I refered the idea too. Hes putting alittle video together I think.
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#27756216 - 04/29/22 07:34 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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I haven't used a side by side experiment yet with MGP but I've been using it in every tub, the mycelium definitely seems a bit healthier and the fruits appear to be a bit meatier and healthy. Can't say anything for sure until I do a true side by side but it's definitely not doing anything negative and everything seems extraordinary healthy
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