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CreonAntigone
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Global Warming, global swarming 1
#27721995 - 04/05/22 10:51 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I am not worried about climate change at all. It is the one thing that doesn't even concern me. Why? My time on the shroomery taught me that mushrooms can transform desert plants. Well-adapted desert plants can grow just as fine or better than any of the vegetation currently living.
The problem with such global warming predictions is they do nothing when in fact there is a great deal it is possible to do. The world is filled with more CO2. Plant more plants.
Global warming is basically a time when shroomery members might be some of the most needed people in the world. The reason is that shroomerties possess two skills they use together, mycology and botany. Just these skills used expertly will entirely avert warming. We need better adapted plants and better adapted mycorhizae. These plants are actually our best chance at reducing warming levels, as healthy plants can cool the environment. They are also our best chance at staving off starvation.
There are panels at the UN that just engage in looking at big charts of CO2 indicies from the atmosphere and issuing vague warnings. 'It is 2014 and now we are past irreversible warming.' 'It is 2020 and we just now crossed irreversible warming.' And yet get the pattern. They issue a warning but in terms of action, they do nothing.
That C02 is sitting there for plants to use... there are three things that shroomery members could do better than the majority of people, they could do it well -
1. found as many outdoor hemp farms as possible in as many regions that allow this as possible.
2. Shiitake and button mushroom farms - utilize the skills for growing drugs to grow an infinite source of food derivable from cheap materials.
3. This one might be harder, but - we need new mycorrhizal inoculations, we need more experiments and tests on plant/fungi hybrids.
So that, rather than to look at the scary charts at the UN and harangue about how 'there's no way to do anything', shroomerties ought to start doing things, a lot of things. We are well-positioned to do it.
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DH42
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I like the way you are thinking...
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Re: Global Warming, global swarming [Re: DH42] 1
#27722181 - 04/05/22 03:06 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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The average temp rising by 1.5 c isn't going to automatically turn Earth into a desert. It's about everything that changes because of that tiny temperature change. Melting ice, rising sea levels, greenhouse gas, drought, wildfires, acid rain, polluted wells, reefs suffocated by algae, resource scarcity, etc.
Growing indoor cannabis has given me a huge appreciation for how fragile the climate is. If one thing gets out of whack, the whole system can crash. Our impact on Earth's ecosystem has a butterfly effect that we're only beginning to comprehend. Even if humans manage to ride it out, the impact on animal and plant species will be and already is enormous.
They don't do anything about it because we're so dependent on co2 production. You think cannabis growers give a shit about the environment? If they did, they wouldn't be growing indoors. I literally consume 1 ton; 2,000 lbs worth of coal energy every month to power my small, efficient grow. That's totally irresponsible but also totally legal. Now imagine the commercial grows and every other energy-intensive industry. The Earth can't replenish that. It's all just a scheme to liquidate earth's resources into profit as quickly as possible. There's so much useless excess bullshit commodities in the world, it's truly a waste. But capitalism rewards it.
Planting stuff doesn't make sense because anywhere that there isn't already human development is plant life. It's not enough. Even if we plant trees which would be the most efficient, it's already been studied to not be enough to offset our increasing emissions. Think of California's wildfire area for example. How are you going to plant your way out of that one when it doesn't rain enough to sustain plant life and every year your efforts burn to ash? Succulents are not a global-warming solution. There's 4 types of photosynthesis and succulents use the slowest type. Btw mushrooms produce co2 
And sorry to say but pot-growers and mushroom farmers are not going to be pioneering the effort. The amount of effort that stoners have put into cannabis is nothing compared to the amount of research that has been poured into corn for example. People are trying their best to figure out how to feed everyone and use less energy, but it's not good enough yet.

Besides the fact that plants will circumstantially benefit from the higher co2, everything else you said is wrong. You're not in power so it's not your responsibility to figure our way out of this but you should still appreciate the very real danger and have some shred of shame while we all collectively spoil our ecosystem.
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fantanyl
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Re: Global Warming, global swarming [Re: Icon]
#27730226 - 04/11/22 12:48 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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i dont really get how growers would have a big impact to the climate, but all in all i have the same opinion in not being worried about the co2 production. I´m not sure about the other "greenhouse gases" like methane, but in my opinion the hole co2 agenda should be looked at in a very critic way. As CreonAntigone and Icon already said, more co2 would be beneficial for plants. in my opinion the ecosystem should be able to handle this tiny increase of co2 production of the civilisation. some people should be shocked now and be like "oh my gosh how can he say tiny amounts of co2 production !!" these people are impressed my the huge hUgE numbers of co2 production in tons or sth like this. but has anyone ever seen a single absolute statistic in percentages ? for example most people who blindly re-shout the "co2 is bad" agenda dont even know the co2 content in the air in percent. its something like 0,04% or something like this. and the amount it has increased in the last tenth of years is even less impressive, and i havent even talked about the percentual influence of the human civilisation in the hole co2 production (only 3% or sth like this), if you saw these absolute statistics in percent you be like "is this a f***ing joke?! and because of this nonsense the people are going crazy ?" I´m saying even if there would be not a single human left and no industry and nothing, it would be nearly no difference! The global warming is NATURAL but please look it up yourself! dont believe me blindly. you´ll notice very soon, that the instances or the little fridays for future girlys which are propagating this "co2 production is bad" kind of stuff nearly never talk about these absolute statistics, and they have a good reason - if the people would see these statistics nobody would still believe in the evil co2 and their agenda would go down the river! I´m no scientist only a critical self thinker and again pls look it up yourself ... Peace and keep your eyes open!
Edited by fantanyl (04/11/22 12:52 PM)
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Re: Global Warming, global swarming [Re: fantanyl]
#27730426 - 04/11/22 03:53 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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You're a fucking idiot. Thank god you're too stupid to seriously harm the environment. It's the international corporations in raw extraction, production, shipping industries that are most responsible. Just sit back and enjoy it while it lasts.
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Re: Global Warming, global swarming [Re: Icon]
#27730469 - 04/11/22 04:32 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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God damn there is so much misinformation about climate change.
Sorry to burst your bubble, everyone, but the climate is changing, and no, it's not going to be good. Sure, higher CO2 concentrations can benefit plants slightly, but guess what: all of the other effects caused by global warming, like droughts and more heat waves, kind of negate that effect. Climate change is going to fuck up our planet quicker than you think, our agricultural system is going to get demolished, and there will be food and water shortages.
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Icon said: It's the international corporations in raw extraction, production, shipping industries that are most responsible.
Ding ding ding. Almost every social issue goes back to large corporations exploiting the lower classes. Our planet's health has been sold out by the 1%, and the 99% will suffer. People love to claim that "technology will save us," but we already have the technology needed. The problem is the 1% will not sacrifice their wealth to save us.
The Earth will be fine in the long term. Life will adapt and recover. But humans will see more suffering and hardship than they have ever seen before.
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fantanyl
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Re: Global Warming, global swarming [Re: joze]
#27736852 - 04/16/22 06:30 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I think i didn't express what i wanted to say properly. I´m NOT saying the large corporations don't do any harm to the environment. They're doing more harm i can even imagine, like plastic waste and water pollution and yes even toxic emissions. And they have to be stopped, i think in this point we all agree. BUT in the last years grew the fanatic agenda, all problems of the environment are just because of the increasement of co2 in the athmosphere. And yes thats simply not true, but its much worse than that. It seems like it became a huge distraction from the real problems in the world. Now every huge corporation can just put a "co2 neutral" sticker on their front and in the behind all the real problems like plastic waste are well hidden.
And again just look it up once ... i bet none of you did
- What content of co2 is in the air IN PERCENT not how much megatons or sth like that - how big is the increasement every year or every decade (again PERCENTUAL) - how much of this is actually because of human civilization (very important the emission of co2 by human in relation to all co2 emission IN PERCENT)
don't get impressed by absolute numbers "megatons of co2 every year" ... if you'd want to know how potent strain XY generaly is, you wouldn't accept an answer like 200mg of psilocin if you don't know to how many grams of dry weight mushroom it refers to.
Please guys lets have a real discussion and not just "you're an idiot"
Peace!
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Re: Global Warming, global swarming [Re: fantanyl]
#27736981 - 04/16/22 08:19 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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No one's saying that co2 is the direct culprit or target of action. Only people that don't understand climate change cling to arguing the co2. The co2 is just a symptom. Sure we're directly producing co2 with fossil fuels, but you're right it is relatively small. That doesn't mean that a small change can't snowball out of control. We have control over our emissions, we could choose to stop them at any time and save the climate. But after a certain point, there won't be anything we can do. Polar ice caps are already melting; once they do magnitudes of trapped co2 will be released, further warming the climate and creating a feedback loop that we have no control over. At that point we could stop everything and it would be too late, an irreversible warming is already underway. It's just a matter now of how dramatic we let it get. The difference between acting and not acting over the next 30 years WILL determine what Earth looks like in 100 years. Differences of just 5 degrees would dramatically change every ecosystem on Earth. Every extinction event on Earth was preceded by rising co2. Again, not saying co2 is the enemy, but it rising is a sign things are dangerously out of balance. Looking up the concentration of co2 and thinking 0.15% means it doesn't matter is again, fucking idiotic.
One thing you're right about is that co2 emissions and carbon capture shouldn't be a gimmick to permit continual destruction of the ecosystem. Carbon neutral doesn't mean much if we're still strip mining rare earth metals and dumping garbage in the ocean.
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Re: Global Warming, global swarming [Re: fantanyl] 1
#27737160 - 04/16/22 10:23 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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fantanyl said: - What content of co2 is in the air IN PERCENT not how much megatons or sth like that - how big is the increasement every year or every decade (again PERCENTUAL) - how much of this is actually because of human civilization (very important the emission of co2 by human in relation to all co2 emission IN PERCENT)
You're right that focusing on CO2 is kind of ignoring larger problems. But it is a great indicator of climate, because CO2 increases radiative forcing. There are a lot of other greenhouse gases that are WAY worse than CO2 that humans (and some natural sources) release as well.
1. CO2 is typically measured in parts per million because it's a rather small percentage of our atmosphere. Nitrogen makes up 78% of our atmosphere, oxygen about 21%. In May 2021, CO2 was near 420 ppm. Of our total atmosphere, that's only 0.042%, which sounds real small. But in 1960, the CO2 concentration was measured to be below 320 ppm. That's a 31% increase in atmospheric CO2 in about 70 years, which on a planetary timescale is fucking unheard of.
2. Here is a chart showing the rate of CO2 increase per year. It's gone up from less than 1 ppm per year (~0.3% CO2 increase) to close to 2.5 ppm per year (0.6% CO2 increase). Again, in the last 70 years there's been a 31% increase in atmospheric CO2.
3. Uh, most of it. This is a really broad topic so right now I can't find a single source that gives a concise answer but I'm going to keep doing some digging. It can be really hard to measure what's caused by humans or what's natural. But there is a CLEAR correlation between the rise of industrial activity at the end of the 19th century, and the exponential rise of CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere. Based on historical data, we can confidently say there has never before been such a drastic change in CO2 concentrations in such a short time. What's different at this point in history? Well, humans have turned the Earth into their bitch, for one.
EDIT: accidentally did my math wrong, forgot to move a decimal. EDIT 2: missed a link
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Re: Global Warming, global swarming [Re: joze]
#28247791 - 03/26/23 02:54 PM (9 months, 29 days ago) |
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joze said:
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fantanyl said: - What content of co2 is in the air IN PERCENT not how much megatons or sth like that - how big is the increasement every year or every decade (again PERCENTUAL) - how much of this is actually because of human civilization (very important the emission of co2 by human in relation to all co2 emission IN PERCENT)
You're right that focusing on CO2 is kind of ignoring larger problems. But it is a great indicator of climate, because CO2 increases radiative forcing. There are a lot of other greenhouse gases that are WAY worse than CO2 that humans (and some natural sources) release as well.
1. CO2 is typically measured in parts per million because it's a rather small percentage of our atmosphere. Nitrogen makes up 78% of our atmosphere, oxygen about 21%. In May 2021, CO2 was near 420 ppm. Of our total atmosphere, that's only 0.042%, which sounds real small. But in 1960, the CO2 concentration was measured to be below 320 ppm. That's a 31% increase in atmospheric CO2 in about 70 years, which on a planetary timescale is fucking unheard of.
2. Here is a chart showing the rate of CO2 increase per year. It's gone up from less than 1 ppm per year (~0.3% CO2 increase) to close to 2.5 ppm per year (0.6% CO2 increase). Again, in the last 70 years there's been a 31% increase in atmospheric CO2.
3. Uh, most of it. This is a really broad topic so right now I can't find a single source that gives a concise answer but I'm going to keep doing some digging. It can be really hard to measure what's caused by humans or what's natural. But there is a CLEAR correlation between the rise of industrial activity at the end of the 19th century, and the exponential rise of CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere. Based on historical data, we can confidently say there has never before been such a drastic change in CO2 concentrations in such a short time. What's different at this point in history? Well, humans have turned the Earth into their bitch, for one.
EDIT: accidentally did my math wrong, forgot to move a decimal. EDIT 2: missed a link
Thank you so much for providing this information. Those articles are indeed informative. In general, I want to say that global warming is real, and I think people will adapt. But I wonder how flora, fauna, and bacteria will do it and which changes are waiting for them and for us too. I'd never been that interested in global warming, and I'd know some general things about it, but now it's different. First, we talked about it more often in my lectures, and I became interested in it. And there is so much different info about it online, and with various statements, that everything is too overvalued, or that we don't take that issue seriously, and so on. There are different opinions and "proves" of global warming. I'm still not sure what I think about it, but now I actually work on one task, which is closely connected to it. I've already read a lot of info, including everything on this page https://studydriver.com/global-warming/, and there are different global warming essay samples provided, which also gave me a better understanding of that issue. I have half of the paper writing, and I try to provide there only the best information and the most accuracy. So I hope soon it will be finished, and I'll be ready to explain my opinion.
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durian_2008
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CreonAntigone said: My time on the shroomery taught me that mushrooms can transform desert plants.
I can think of dozens of adaptations, but, imho, the govt is intent on creating artificial scarcity. They are either intellectual property, or for breakaway civilizations.
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Re: Global Warming, global swarming [Re: durian_2008]
#28252321 - 03/29/23 12:21 AM (9 months, 26 days ago) |
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Is there any fast and convenient way to protect your ideas from corporate theft, before sharing it with the little guy for non-profit use?
I have made this subject my hobby for the bast couple of years.
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