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Psilocybin production? * 1
    #27705958 - 03/23/22 03:25 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I read somewhere years ago about when psilocybin is produced in the mushroom. And for some reason I can’t get a straight answer or a source. So I am open to finding out the real answer. Please no assumptions or speculation.

It was my understanding that psilocybin quantities don’t change as the mushrooms grow but are diluted. Also that mushrooms have the same amount from primordial stage to harvest  much the same as the cells.
We have been having a debate about why aborts seem so much more potent than normal size shrooms. Which leads me here.

  I would like to get to the bottom of this once and for all. And apparently this is a controversial subject with a lot of different opinions. I need some evidence. To put this to bed.

Thanx in advance!
Meaux

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Re: Psilocybin production? [Re: Meaux Da Fun Guy] * 2
    #27705972 - 03/23/22 03:40 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

The mushroom produces psilocybin all throughout its growth, it doesn't just start with some and then grow, it constantly produces as it grows.

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Re: Psilocybin production? (moved) [Re: Meaux Da Fun Guy] * 1
    #27706205 - 03/23/22 07:52 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

This thread was moved from The Pub.

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Re: Psilocybin production? (moved) [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #27706267 - 03/23/22 09:06 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I do believe in the probably unproven but still I think understood phenomenon of once the gills open and the sacs are about to release the psilocybin production slows?

Anyone find any studies?


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Re: Psilocybin production? (moved) [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
    #27706271 - 03/23/22 09:13 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the move! I wasn’t sure so I went the pub

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Re: Psilocybin production? (moved) [Re: WhiteThumbScience] * 1
    #27706274 - 03/23/22 09:16 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I think that once spore drop happens the mushroom has lived it’s life cycle and starts to degrade fast maybe beginning with the alkaloids.

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Re: Psilocybin production? [Re: nooneman] * 1
    #27706276 - 03/23/22 09:21 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Here’s a publication I found today.
  Mushrooming up over night? If the body is spread out and microscopic, how do mushrooms grow so quickly? There are two basic reasons: 1) Since they store up compounds between fruiting and most fruit once a year, they have a lot of reserve available to support the mushroom. 2) Mushrooms develop differently than plants or animals do. Plants and animals grow through cell division - to get bigger they have to produce more cells. Cell division is relatively slow and requires a lot of energy. The mushroom body also grows by cell division. However, the mushroom fruit does not grow by cell division. Just about as soon as it starts to develop, a mushroom has almost the same number of cells that the mature mushroom will have. The mushroom increases in size through cell ENLARGEMENT! This means that the cells can balloon up very rapidly. Very little energy is required, basically the cells just enlarge with water. So a mushroom can increase in size as fast as water can be pumped into its cells. Almost overnight a mushroom can go from a pin head to a large mushroom.

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Re: Psilocybin production? (moved) [Re: WhiteThumbScience] * 4
    #27707583 - 03/24/22 10:12 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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WhiteThumbScience said:
Anyone find any studies?




There aren't any studies on this, but I think it keeps making psilocybin as long as it's still growing.

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Re: Psilocybin production? (moved) [Re: Alan Rockefeller] * 2
    #27707886 - 03/25/22 08:58 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)


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Re: Psilocybin production? (moved) [Re: Isztwan] * 1
    #27709490 - 03/26/22 01:19 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Isztwan said:
This can be helpfull:

https://chemistry-europe.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/cplu.202000581



Wow I wasn't aware that the toxin l-abrine had been found in P. serbica  :wowz: Potentially lethal at 0.1-1 ug/kg that's some pretty nasty stuff.. :takingnotes:

Edited by Icyurmt (03/26/22 01:25 PM)

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Re: Psilocybin production? (moved) [Re: Icyurmt] * 3
    #27711791 - 03/28/22 05:07 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Psilocybin is produced throughout the life of the mushroom, which can be proven based on potency % to weight ratio. A 10 gram mushroom will have more overall psilocybin than a 1 gram mushroom of the same batch picked as an abort.

Stamets mentioned most mushrooms don't gain any if not much weight at all after the caps open and spores start to drop, instead their energy is redirected to morph into this sporulation phase. The mushroom changes shape more so than it continues to grow, causing the illusion of becoming larger as the caps open and become flat - for this it is ideal to harvest before/as the veil is tearing as spores are also mildly dangerous to ingest and inhale.



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Re: Psilocybin production? (moved) [Re: Eclipse3130] * 1
    #27711947 - 03/28/22 07:04 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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spores are also mildly dangerous to ingest




How so? I've never heard that before, do you any links?


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Re: Psilocybin production? (moved) [Re: Icyurmt] * 1
    #27713250 - 03/29/22 06:05 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

No links, I only remember it in a recent talk Stamets gave about why harvesting before spore load drops is so crucial, he went into many points most of what I listed including the danger of spores it's been known inhaling sporeload is no good but if my memory serves me right he also said eating sporeloads isn't the best either


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Re: Psilocybin production? (moved) [Re: Eclipse3130] * 1
    #27713378 - 03/29/22 08:01 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I'm wondering what role does psilocybin play in the mushroom's biology.

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Re: Psilocybin production? (moved) [Re: Meaux Da Fun Guy] * 1
    #27713400 - 03/29/22 08:23 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Inhaling the spores of mushrooms (any mushrooms) can over time lead to a spore allergy. It's very common in oysters, so much so that people working around them tend to wear like masks and suits and stuff. It's less of a concern with cubensis, and even with oysters it's not like a super big deal, but it's something to be aware of.

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Re: Psilocybin production? (moved) [Re: amanituser] * 3
    #27714275 - 03/30/22 03:44 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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amanituser said:
I'm wondering what role does psilocybin play in the mushroom's biology.




No one knows.

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Re: Psilocybin production? (moved) [Re: Alan Rockefeller] * 1
    #27716959 - 04/01/22 06:28 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Hypothesis is that psilocybin is produced for increased attractiveness for ingestion evidenced by animals who have been known to eat the mushrooms specifically for the psilocybin and we know spores can survive or at least attach to the animal and be spread!

That's the going Hypothesis I believe!


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Re: Psilocybin production? (moved) [Re: Icyurmt] * 2
    #27716967 - 04/01/22 06:31 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I believe he meant inhaled? I used to own a mushroom farm for oysters and ya you have to also filter the outgoing air as well because near the building would be black with spores if not including in our case the cars in the parking lot🤷♂️


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Re: Psilocybin production? (moved) [Re: Alan Rockefeller] * 2
    #27719038 - 04/03/22 07:15 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

This is also a question I had which lead me to make this post. But in the publication I posted earlier in this post and the one that someone else posted hinted at psilocybin may be a protection mechanism from certain kinda  bugs. Which brings me to my point of when psilocybin is produced. It was my understanding that psilocybin is dumped  into the primordial along with the vast majority of cells the mushrooms will have. My thought is you don’t wait till the bugs are eating on you to put on bug repellent you do it before you see the need as proactive measure.

  A bug can eat a chunk out of a full grown mushroom and the mushroom can still complete its life cycle but if a bug takes a chunk out of a pin it might been done. So I think it’s all there from a primordial stage and psilocybin is just diluted as the cells of the mushroom elongate as a protective measure.  But so many are Adamant about psilocybin being produced throughout the growth of the mushroom im still not completely sure about my theory or theirs.

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Re: Psilocybin production? (moved) [Re: Isztwan] * 2
    #27719041 - 04/03/22 07:18 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Yo thanks for providing that publication its was a interesting read

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