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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: Voodoo7]
#26943465 - 09/19/20 02:01 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Forrester said: ^^^ That's really good to know. I always had the same fear for my wife that in the middle it might just make it worse, that we should probably only use for prevention. Good to hear that.
Thanks for your reply and experience. My girlfriend gets really bad migraines, but can't get any RX for them. I had discovered that (surprisingly to me) that if I drank too much the night before, that a microdose would clear up all the shitty feelings the next day, and I would actually feel great when otherwise I would probably just have to sit on the couch all day.
So I started wondering if it would be good for clearing up an actual migraine headache, but I'm worried to have her try it in the middle of one for fear of making it worse. I would feel terrible about that.
I've thought about it a lot, and I think I'll give her a small "threshold dose" at some point when she's feeling fine, so at least she knows what to expect on a smaller scale. Hope it works, nothing else seems to.
I've been suffering from chronic migraines for over 10 years, basically I've had either an incapacitating migraine or 'just' a headache almost every day for the last few years. I've tried pretty much everything that there is, I've been to multiple neurologists and and and. By pure luck, someone offered me some psilocybin mushrooms a few months ago, this summer, and the results have been nothing but amazing. I've only been using (micro-dosing) regularly for a few weeks, since it took me some time to grow a supply, but so far it has changed my life. I would definitely recommend it to anyone who's in pain, a friend of mine who's suffering from arthritis also was pain free within 30 minutes. The only real side effect is insomnia, in my experience (and also said friend's).
Dosage: I'm grinding the mushrooms in a coffee grinder and put them into capsules, there's 0.2g of 'powdered' mushroom per capsule. My pain level is usually pretty high, so quite often I have to take two capsules, but I think that for a lot of people, 0.2g might be enough.
EDIT: I have been made aware of the possible differences in potency, so please do not take my dosage experience as a reference. This dosage works for me with dried, homegrown Golden Teachers. Start low and work your way up if necessary. Personally, I start feeling the effects pretty quickly, after about 15 minutes.
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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: Kurterino]
#26943473 - 09/19/20 02:13 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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If we are going to discuss things like dosage we should also talk about potency. It’s a critical component often overlooked. 0.2 grams of a potent species/strain (I’m using the word strain in the strictest mycological sense) might border on threshold or stronger for some people, while that same dose of a less potent species/strain might be ineffective. I suggest people read this link to understand more.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26878383#26878383
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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26944901 - 09/19/20 08:40 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: If we are going to discuss things like dosage we should also talk about potency. It’s a critical component often overlooked. 0.2 grams of a potent species/strain (I’m using the word strain in the strictest mycological sense) might border on threshold or stronger for some people, while that same dose of a less potent species/strain might be ineffective. I suggest people read this link to understand more.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26878383#26878383
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Pastywhyte said: If we are going to discuss things like dosage we should also talk about potency. It’s a critical component often overlooked. 0.2 grams of a potent species/strain (I’m using the word strain in the strictest mycological sense) might border on threshold or stronger for some people, while that same dose of a less potent species/strain might be ineffective. I suggest people read this link to understand more.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26878383#26878383
Thank you. I’ve read your post - very informative- and have added an Edit to mine.
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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26945013 - 09/19/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: If we are going to discuss things like dosage we should also talk about potency. It’s a critical component often overlooked. 0.2 grams of a potent species/strain (I’m using the word strain in the strictest mycological sense) might border on threshold or stronger for some people, while that same dose of a less potent species/strain might be ineffective. I suggest people read this link to understand more.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26878383#26878383
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Pastywhyte said: If we are going to discuss things like dosage we should also talk about potency. It’s a critical component often overlooked. 0.2 grams of a potent species/strain (I’m using the word strain in the strictest mycological sense) might border on threshold or stronger for some people, while that same dose of a less potent species/strain might be ineffective. I suggest people read this link to understand more.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26878383#26878383
That is a very good point. Currently, I have 2 "strains" going. An isolated and cloned Ecuador strain, and a PE strain. My method is as mentioned above; I blend all dried mushrooms (of one strain) into powder for measuring, so every dose is the same. I did the PE separately. I consistently notice the PE is stronger, although I will not pontificate about "how many times stronger" I think it is, because I cannot accurately measure that with my brain.
But here's what happened today, which is why I logged on tonight to share. As I mentioned before my girlfriend getsreally bad migraines. She had one today shortly after waking up. I prepared .100grams of the Ecudor strain using my favorite extraction method, and gave it to her.
Her migraines usually last half a day, and she was willing to try anything. Within 20 minutes, her headache had diminished to the point where she could sit up and actually have a good-humoured conversation. Within 30 minutes, the headache was gone, and she got up, and we had one of the best days together we've had in a while. This continued long after the 4 hours was up.
I was really anxious trying this, for fear it would make it worse. Thank you to everyone that chimed in with positive experiences, it really gave me hope.
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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: Voodoo7]
#26945252 - 09/20/20 12:44 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I’m very happy for your GF and yourself, thanks a lot for sharing. My migraines (some of them, I get different types) also last half a day or more, and the first time when I took a micro dose of Psilocybin, I was blown away, I couldn’t believe how good I felt. And that is after having tried pretty much everything (pharmacological) there is on the market today. Did she feel any negative side effects, like insomnia? It’s not a big deal compared to the side effects of some (most) of the pharmaceutical drugs to treat or prevent migraines, but I can be a problem if you have to get up the next morning.
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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: Kurterino]
#26945356 - 09/20/20 01:39 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I had never considered that psilocybin had such therapeutic benefits for headache sufferers, until I gave some to a friend, plain old cubes
He is a long time sufferer of crippling migraine/cluster (the kind they give you the ergot based meds for, as part of a cocktail of other things.) That's about as specific as I can get, I don't know much about his condition unfortunately, except to say it is completely life altering on a bad day
Anyway the short version, so we take a decent spiritual dose (4 - 6g dry per person) about once every six to eight weeks, reduced his headache occurrence to almost nil
He still gets a small headache very occasionally, it is not 100% effective but no medicine is expected to be 100% effective either if you live in reality
Microdosing in between the bigger trips may be the thing for him to realise closer to 100% efficacy, I have been saying to him for the longest time
But yeah I can honestly say that it worked pretty well for him and maybe if you suffer from headaches it can work for you. I thankfully do not have them... that shit looks rough
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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: Kurterino]
#26945902 - 09/20/20 10:19 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kurterino said: I’m very happy for your GF and yourself, thanks a lot for sharing. My migraines (some of them, I get different types) also last half a day or more, and the first time when I took a micro dose of Psilocybin, I was blown away, I couldn’t believe how good I felt. And that is after having tried pretty much everything (pharmacological) there is on the market today. Did she feel any negative side effects, like insomnia? It’s not a big deal compared to the side effects of some (most) of the pharmaceutical drugs to treat or prevent migraines, but I can be a problem if you have to get up the next morning.
So far no negative effects noticed. The only "negative" effect was she noticed how many spots on the kitchen counter needed wiping down (which in my opinion is not really a negative.) Also, 3 hours after dosing, she wanted to go pick up grocery order, saying she felt fine, and not "impaired" in any way. I had to explain that while you don't "feel" impaired, like being drunk or stoned, that you might glance down at the radio while driving for a second, and not realize that "one second" is actually 5 seconds. She agreed, and I drove. It took her a long time to get back out with the groceries, because of how colorful all the produce was, so I'm glad I took her.
She reported very restful sleepnlast night, without any sleep-aid, and is at work today without any time of withdrawal, and no headache has returned as of yet. I didn't expect her to have any withdrawal, as she only had .1000grams, but then again it was her first time, and being used to actually treat a headache, so still uncharted territory.
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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: Voodoo7] 1
#26951314 - 09/23/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Got knocked down by a dooosie. Was woken out of my sleep by migraine....almost puked in my bed . I fucking hate them. I picked some stones out of my 4 month old jar and ate approximately 19 grams fresh...which is close to my 2 gram cube dosage. Dont know if it was placebo but the experience def seemed cleaner..... a better balance between tripping and aborting a headache.
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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: SirTripAlot]
#26951985 - 09/23/20 10:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mescaline should for sure be studied for Cluster headaches along with vasodilators. I was prescribed Imitrex for my cluster migraines and it worked but I noticed I’d get rebound headaches a lot more frequently almost developed a dependent issue with it. If I didnt have it I’d get a one. I’ve been headache free for a while now but doesn’t mean they don’t randomly come on.
Whenever I do mushrooms I feel like one side of my body is stronger then the other its weird but I’ve had really good relief from low dose of mescaline in cacti form and shrooms.
Seems like respiration rate is controlled by some serotonin mechanism or vasodilation of vessels in the head.
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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: SirTripAlot]
#26953311 - 09/24/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: Got knocked down by a dooosie. Was woken out of my sleep by migraine....almost puked in my bed . I fucking hate them. I picked some stones out of my 4 month old jar and ate approximately 19 grams fresh...which is close to my 2 gram cube dosage. Dont know if it was placebo but the experience def seemed cleaner..... a better balance between tripping and aborting a headache.
That really sucks man. I myself don't know the difference between cluster headaches and migraine headaches, I just know that they both really suck. My girl's headache, the migraine type, lays her out for the entire day. like if she wakes up with it in the morning, that's what she's doing for the entire day.
If anyone read my post,I tried an experiment that she was totally willing to go along with. She had developed a migraine in the morning and wasn't complete pain, and was willing to try anything. A micro dose of psilocybin active mushrooms using my favorite extraction technique, had the headache gone in approximately 30 minutes.
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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: PsilyZee]
#26953376 - 09/24/20 07:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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What was your macro does? And of what strain?
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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: Voodoo7]
#26953948 - 09/25/20 06:46 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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She should be fine taking like .2 doses of regular potency mushrooms. .5 and over could be bad but I think all these things could lead to rebound headaches.
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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: Gorlax]
#26954163 - 09/25/20 09:48 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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So if you have a mild headache, id definitely recommend taking .10g - .30g of cubensis. 3 times i used basically a microdose in some lime juice. Let soak in the lime for about 10 minutes.. Drank it in one gulp,and within 30 minutes my headache/migraine was completely gone.
It also is a good cure to a hangover. If you over indulged little the night before. Get up and take a threshhold dose(if you dont have anywhere to be). That and hydrate, you will feel better as soon as you hit your very subtle peak.
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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: PsilyZee]
#26972110 - 10/06/20 12:36 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm glad to hear that some of you have been able to find relief from your Clusters. My dad has been struggling with them on and off for decades. About six years ago while scouring the internet for help, I came across MAPS and Clusterbusters and we were able to bust his cycle using their method. But they've come back recently and the terror associated with the aura/shadow that foretells an attack had him reaching for his imitrex and zomig for immediate relief (though they don't seem to be working either) which seems to block the Busting (he claims to have eaten 4g recently and gone nowhere). Have you any advice for how to get off the triptans long enough to potentiate the mushrooms? Or any advice at all? Old guy is really struggling...
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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: PowderHound]
#26982656 - 10/13/20 12:12 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not cluster headaches, but a woman I know has a history of bad migraines. After microdosing mushrooms every 3-4 days, maybe about 1/3 of a 000 capsule (probably 150-200 mg of dried material), they are now much less frequent than they were.
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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: Pastywhyte]
#27698509 - 03/17/22 06:04 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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I have migraines every day. Complex and cluster are the big two. Brain always hurts to point most days are spent in a dark, quiet room unable to move. It's been over 2 years of this so I've been trying microdosing shroomies the last few weeks. I have been trying microdosing with what I can find to buy.
Sometimes one seems stronger than others and more effective but I do not know what they are. I am going to grow my own. For those of you that know what strains or types you've taken that work, could you please let me know? Like cannabis there are a lot of strains and genetics. I am up to .8 to .9 before I get relief. Oddly the relief doesn't come that day, it comes the next day and while I am not pain free, a headache or mild migraine is tolerable. Only once did the shroomies work the same day a few hours later but it was a different type and not sure what it was. Very strong though. Had some minimal mental alteration as far as perception that day off .9.
I cannot scan and read online stuff. It triggers my head to get worse. Screens aren't nice to me but if you reply or shoot me a message and it's relatively short I should be able to read and comprehend it on a day with no cluster.
I hope this makes sense. Not reading it to make sure as I am borderline functional at the moment.
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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: Kniteopp] 2
#27698553 - 03/17/22 07:44 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Hey Kniteopp,
Sorry to hear about your issues, glad that you’re getting some relief from the mushrooms. You may have noticed that the potency can fluctuate and that is a factor for sure. While getting a well stabilized or domesticated “strain” (we call them a “variety” strain has a different meaning in mycology so variety is better suited) can help a bit with this it’s still not a guaranteed solution. Most serious hobbiests clone to ensure consistent results.
I personally do not get a lot of relief from microdosing, larger doses seem to work better for me, especially for cluster busting if I need to resort to it. Growing your own makes it much easier to get a steady supply. Unfortunately this hobby is fairly in depth and often a lot of reading is required. Videos are less popular for learning for a number of reasons but there is a video series that is pretty solid (albeit a bit old in terms of production value it’s information is still good) and I will link some of it here. Watch these two videos for a breakdown of what is likely the simplest way to grow mushrooms from spores.
As far as what strain/variety to choose that’s a complex question with a complicated answer. It’s not like weed where you grow X to always get X. But variety can still greatly influence the outcome. Many people like to grow most stabilized mutant varieties for the more consistent potency and results that many of them offer. Just be aware that even when growing from these mutant varieties nothing is guaranteed and they might even revert to a more classic form at any time. Many people will recommend Penis Envy or other Penis varieties. While Penis varieties do tend to be very potent they have drawbacks like being very slow to fruit or needing a lot of water. Some people might say that they are not the best choice for the beginner due to their very slow pinning times and high likelihood of the syringes being bacterial. Other mutant strains are often only available through trades or small time sales and are only offered on swabs which are not appropriate for the cake methods I linked above.
To that end what matters more is likely that you get a “clean” or “axenic” syringe. The vendor I recommend for people in the USA is Sporeworks.com who are a sponsor of this site. They are a legit sample provider so never mention to them that you are growing their products, that would implicate them and they will not do business with you then. If you go to Sporeworks I would suggest trying their Colombian Rust Spore variety. It always served me pretty well back when I grew them.
Sorry about the length of the reply here, this is a complex and rewarding hobby. Lots of angles to explore and understand. Despite your handicap if you find you want more in depth reading or want to up your game and grow more, I suggest you try and slog through this link. It’s a long writeup but it covers much of the hobby and it’s foundations. Many people start growing for the mushrooms and keep growing cause they love the hobby.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24084128#24084128
Good luck
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