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Do these shoeboxes look to moist?
    #27689397 - 03/10/22 05:51 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I´m doing my first shoebox grow, and wondering whether my shoeboxes are too moist?

I have the shoeboxes in a tote, maybe it´s to airtight?

What do you guys think?

NB, the shoeboxes are 4 days old, and I´m starting to see some colonization coming through the top layer.



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Re: Do these shoeboxes look to moist? [Re: baldur]
    #27689400 - 03/10/22 05:53 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

That's condensation from the heat of the colonization within the tub.

Personally I would remove the shoeboxes from the tub while they colonize.


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Re: Do these shoeboxes look to moist? [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #27689799 - 03/10/22 01:34 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Ive recently harvested my first few shoeboxes.  They were at least that wet.  I took them out of the tubs when I had a decent pinset.  Came out pretty good.  It was recommended that I take them out of the tubs to colonize so ill try that next time. Derrayld says he can yield over 500g wet harvest per shoebox so im thinking he knows a thing or two


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Re: Do these shoeboxes look to moist? [Re: MycCheck]
    #27697212 - 03/16/22 03:34 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

TL;DR:

Should I take any steps in reducing moisture?

Doesn´t this look like to little growth in 12 days?

FULL STORY:

Now I´m currently on day 12 and not much mycelium growing through the pseudo-casing layer, which was very thin in the first place. About maybe 1/2 cm (1/5 inch).  See below pictures.

I can also see that there is a lot of moisture not only on the walls of the shoebox, but also below the surface level. And I remember reading somewhere that it was ideal to only see moisture on the shoebox above the surface level.

So I´m still wondering if I should react in some way since the colonization seems to be taking quite a while.

Doesn´t this look like to little growth in 12 days? I used fully colonized BRF cakes for spawn. But that spawn had to wait a bit after being fully colonized to be used cause I had covid.

Should I take any steps in reducing moisture?




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Re: Do these shoeboxes look to moist? [Re: baldur]
    #27697469 - 03/16/22 09:55 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Let them do there thing that looks fine to me, just needs to grow more. Ive had shoeboxes that colonize fast but pin slow and everything in between. Some dry some wet but they always turned out okay I think yours just need a little more time

https://files.shroomery.org/files/22-006/438115816-20220207_201951.jpg

A little on the wet side or dry and I usually get pinsets like this, even from MS
If your substrate is hydrated properly when you spawn I think you'll get good results keep us posted!


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Re: Do these shoeboxes look to moist? [Re: Rzhoz]
    #27697697 - 03/16/22 01:30 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Great good to hear. Thanks for the feedback 👍


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Re: Do these shoeboxes look to moist? [Re: baldur]
    #27703504 - 03/21/22 12:48 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

First mushroom! (In 20 years...)





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Re: Do these shoeboxes look to moist? [Re: baldur]
    #27704971 - 03/22/22 07:26 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Nice!! :rockon:

I see lots of knots, hopefully you get more pins popping up soon!


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Re: Do these shoeboxes look to moist? [Re: Rzhoz]
    #27717781 - 04/02/22 11:03 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I'm still worried that my boxes are lacking in moisture since they don't seem to be turning out so well.

Boxes

Box 1 is showing some growth, on day 17 I got the first mushroom, now on day 29 I've harvested about 15 grams (dry), and maybe 5 grams (dry) waiting to be harvested.



Box 2 is showing some pinning and one tiny mushroom



Box 3 just started to fruit 2-3 days ago. Note that a week ago I started to add moisture to box 3 to see if that would kickstart some growth.

Box 3



Slowing down on box 1
Regarding Box 1 then the growth seems to be slowing down. Here is the box on day 25



And here is the box today (day 29)



But does this look like proper growth in 4 days?
Note I've harvested a few mushrooms between those two pictures.

There is also a gap starting to form between the substrate and the box, about 0.5cm or 1/5 inch (no gap visible for box 2 or 3). Is this normal, or is this telling me that the substrate needs more moisture? See picture:



But I'm more worried about my other two boxes, they are showing some pins, but hardly any growth.


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Re: Do these shoeboxes look to moist? [Re: baldur]
    #27717815 - 04/02/22 11:23 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Judging by the way the mycelium looks, and the fruits, I'd say you're dealing with a bacteria issue and less of an environment issue. Surface should look like this-



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Re: Do these shoeboxes look to moist? [Re: E_Dubbya]
    #27717822 - 04/02/22 11:26 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

For comparison, here is a bacterial tub I have right now that I'm just going to toss, even though I might get fruits. Just not worth my time. Looks more like your surface.



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Re: Do these shoeboxes look to moist? [Re: E_Dubbya]
    #27718346 - 04/02/22 05:24 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

We're your using a casing layer?


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Re: Do these shoeboxes look to moist? [Re: baldur]
    #27720239 - 04/03/22 11:29 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

It could be bacteria or genetics. If you did multispore inoculation I'd put it on that. When I spawn and mix substrate I save a bit of coir to do a pseudo casing layer. Not much just a quarter inch but enough to cover any grains that would be exposed.

Sometimes I mist the coir too and the walls a little. Most of the time if you hydrated the coir to field capacity, or even somewhat close, the mushies do all the rest of the work. I check mine daily to make sure I have ideal surface conditions but that's also because mine arnt fully dialed in.

I think patience and taking all you've learned so far will see you to success. I think your moisture could be better but I don't think that's the main reason for your results so far.

And 15 grams isn't anything to scoff at! I hope you and your friends enjoy the fruits of your labor. Once you isolate genetics and get stronger cultures you could really boost that yield up! Anyways congrats and I hope that helps. Thanks for updating


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Re: Do these shoeboxes look to moist? [Re: Rzhoz]
    #27724565 - 04/07/22 12:58 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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And 15 grams isn't anything to scoff at! I hope you and your friends enjoy the fruits of your labor. Once you isolate genetics and get stronger cultures you could really boost that yield up! Anyways congrats and I hope that helps. Thanks for updating




So you think 15 grams is ok from 12 PF cakes? (200ml each)

I split those cakes into 3 shoeboxes, and was expecting way more than 15 grams :p


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Re: Do these shoeboxes look to moist? [Re: E_Dubbya]
    #27724567 - 04/07/22 12:59 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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E_Dubbya said:
For comparison, here is a bacterial tub I have right now that I'm just going to toss, even though I might get fruits. Just not worth my time. Looks more like your surface.






This sure looks similar.

Here are more pictures of my surface.



Ok now I know what bacteria on coir looks like!

So I didn't see anything wrong with the cakes, but I guess that is hard to see, right?


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Re: Do these shoeboxes look to moist? [Re: baldur]
    #27724622 - 04/07/22 01:49 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

You did get some fruits, so I would clone a couple of the better fruits to Agar and move away from the bacteria and mss if it were me. Good luck!


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Re: Do these shoeboxes look to moist? [Re: Pinstagram]
    #27724688 - 04/07/22 03:00 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Oh I just read you went crumbled cake to bulk. Yeah, that's one of the downsides of doing that. BRF cakes will do a great job of colonizing and hiding bacteria while still getting fruits (it's why we love it for spore syringes). Once you break it up to bulk though, you introduce a new vector for suppressed contams that you wouldn't have otherwise seen.

It looks like you are going to get a bunch more fruits though, whole lot of pins starting in those last pics.


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Re: Do these shoeboxes look to moist? [Re: Pinstagram]
    #27724786 - 04/07/22 04:51 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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You did get some fruits, so I would clone a couple of the better fruits to Agar and move away from the bacteria and mss if it were me. Good luck!




Yeah clone from fruits, that's an amazing idea!


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Re: Do these shoeboxes look to moist? [Re: E_Dubbya]
    #27724791 - 04/07/22 04:53 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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Oh I just read you went crumbled cake to bulk. Yeah, that's one of the downsides of doing that. BRF cakes will do a great job of colonizing and hiding bacteria while still getting fruits (it's why we love it for spore syringes). Once you break it up to bulk though, you introduce a new vector for suppressed contams that you wouldn't have otherwise seen.

It looks like you are going to get a bunch more fruits though, whole lot of pins starting in those last pics.




Yeah probably won't go that route again... it was just an experiment. But we'll see how this goes. Exciting stuff! :grin:


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Re: Do these shoeboxes look to moist? [Re: baldur]
    #27724885 - 04/07/22 06:37 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Not my idea, but best path forward. Internal mushroom myc to agar.


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Re: Do these shoeboxes look to moist? [Re: baldur]
    #27725142 - 04/07/22 11:13 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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Rzhoz said:
And 15 grams isn't anything to scoff at! I hope you and your friends enjoy the fruits of your labor. Once you isolate genetics and get stronger cultures you could really boost that yield up! Anyways congrats and I hope that helps. Thanks for updating




So you think 15 grams is ok from 12 PF cakes? (200ml each)

I split those cakes into 3 shoeboxes, and was expecting way more than 15 grams :p




I'm just saying atleast you got something, could be worse :shrug:


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