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Re: What kind of whole oats [Re: poisoned]
#26568884 - 03/31/20 11:28 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Smartattack said: Oh c'mon man! for christ's sake. Dont pull that garb, we all use the word prep when talking about all aspects of grain work prior to inoculation.
And why are you even bringing up the endospore load if you don't mean to suggest more likely contamination? Was that just rhetoric then? If so why? You're saying on one hand it's a thing, then saying that said thing doesn't matter? I'm confused.
Did I ever say it didn't matter so said it's one of those why bother situations. If you could read correctly instead of saying thinks to try and.make the discussion go in your favor maybe you would know what so said.
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natedawgnow said: Not necessarily true at all. We sterilize to ~99.99% since sterilization is technically defined by a limit, meaning you never truly reach 100% sterile. If you have 10,000,000 spores and .01% live you still have 100,000 spores that could possibly germ.
The more spores your grain starts with, the more spores that survive sterilization.
Now that doesn't mean they are guaranteed to germ, and in fact may have been damaged enough not to germ, but why take the chance when there are grains that are just as cheap and work better without a finicky prep?
Also when I say they are two different things I say that in order to show which part of the process I am talking about. Even though I have never considered them the same process. I call prep prep and sterilization sterilization. If you consider them the same then we can discuss it from that point of view but I am talking about the first part of "prep" in this case. It makes no difference to my argument it just makes your point trying to discredit my argument invalid.
Here's a quote for you both.
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natedawgnow said: Not necessarily true at all. We sterilize to ~99.99% since sterilization is technically defined by a limit, meaning you never truly reach 100% sterile. If you have 10,000,000 spores and .01% live you still have 100,000 spores that could possibly germ.
The more spores your grain starts with, the more spores that survive sterilization.
Now that doesn't mean they are guaranteed to germ, and in fact may have been damaged enough not to germ, but why take the chance when there are grains that are just as cheap and work better without a finicky prep?
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gizmo1 said: Did I say " you are wrong hulled oats 100% will work" no I said if you prep grains right they shouldn't be sticky. Yet here you are asking me for proof of a successful grow with oat groats.
Did you check the title of this thread? We're clearly talking about oats. And WBS that they sell here doesn't have any hulled grain, not sure what's sold as WBS elsewhere.
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gizmo1 said: They have a higher endospore load than grains without hulls. That's is all. Since what we do is not true sterilization it makes it one of those why even bother with them situations. That indeed has nothing to do with prep though. If either of you would like to discuss this further please feel free to pm me and I can clarify.
Sorry, but for me prep is the whole way from grain to jars ready for inoculation. Anyways, I definitely do sterilise my grain. I've had some unmodified jars standing on the shelf for months and they were good as new.
Yes indeed. It is a thread about hulled oats and our discussion at least from my view was about grains that have no hull. This does also got into the thread discussion it doesn't mean I have to be defending oat groats. Besides if I say I'm not talking about them shouldn't that override what you think I'm talking about? I've stated it twice already and explained it once if you would like to discuss it further please feel free to PM me.
Wbs isn't hulled grains. That would infer that they had a hull to begin with. This is why I said grains with no hull. Not hulled grains. I can't generalize all wbs because wbs refers to a mixture of grains for wild birds. There are different mixes. Most have main ingredients of Milo and millet. Looking at these 2 grains I see no hull. Just a hard shelled seed. I like how you used careful wording to make it look like I'm wrong though. Almost smart of you.
Long story short. Use whatever grain you want. Just don't assume that a grain with no hull or even hulled grains won't work. I've used hulled barley plenty of times as well as barley with the hull intact they both work rather or not the hull is there makes no difference. I'm sure it doesn't with oats either. If either of you wants to send me oats grows I can prep them and we can see if they work or not. I'd go out and buy some of they were available here.
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Re: What kind of whole oats [Re: Smartattack]
#26568894 - 03/31/20 11:34 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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One of Us said: Well this thread escalated quickly. Since the people saying hulled oats won't work haven't actually tried to prep them, I see no reason to discuss this further. I will just have to find out by myself.
Bod did indicate early in this thread that hulled oats would work, just not with his tek.... and smart said that over processed will make them sticky, so I got that to work off of when I do my own hulled oats to prove it to you guys (whether it works or not). I will post my results here in this thread.
I wasn't trying to reinvent the wheel. I love my whole race oats. I just wanted to help OP and anyone like him (if he truly can get hulled oats cheaper and wasn't mistaken. I understand price anomalies happen sometimes in certain areas. Here in the midwest, premium gas is cheaper than regular unleaded because of all the corn grown for ethanol around here.).
Lmao. Yup.
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Smartattack said: Agreed. My apologies for my part in escalating OP's thread into a "grainwreck"
At least we stayed mostly on the topic of grains lmao. I've seen threads get pretty far off track. I usually post mainly in vult gen discussion so I'm used to being on topic as long as it's somehow related to cult. I must have forgotten where I was.
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Re: What kind of whole oats [Re: gizmo1]
#26568899 - 03/31/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Whether or not we have the virus, I'm sure most of us have some form of sickness from corona as well. And at the end of the day we can reflect on the fact that we passionately argued about the shit that covers the center of a seed.
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Re: What kind of whole oats [Re: gizmo1]
#26568905 - 03/31/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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So there's your answer. Whole oats - universal agreement that this works. Hulled oats - not so much. You can experiment or go with a proven solution that is not any harder.
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Re: What kind of whole oats [Re: Smartattack]
#26568908 - 03/31/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Smartattack said: Whether or not we have the virus, I'm sure most of us have some form of sickness from corona as well. And at the end of the day we can reflect on the fact that we passionately argued about the shit that covers the center of a seed.
Lmao.
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NosmoKing said: So there's your answer. Whole oats - universal agreement that this works. Hulled oats - not so much. You can experiment or go with a proven solution that is not any harder.
Now were getting to the bottom of things. Lol
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Re: What kind of whole oats [Re: gizmo1] 1
#26569002 - 03/31/20 12:21 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Had to come back to say one last thing sorry for bumping this thread again bit poisoned sorry I tried insulted your intelligence that was completely uncalled for I'm a fucking dick. Was just thinking about it and that was a asshole move.
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Re: What kind of whole oats [Re: gizmo1]
#26569008 - 03/31/20 12:24 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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All good man, it was a nice pissing contest
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Re: What kind of whole oats [Re: poisoned]
#27689328 - 03/10/22 03:09 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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poisoned said: All good man, it was a nice pissing contest
Dont wanna make a new thread but I will prepare hulled oats today.
Ill post the results here afterwards.
Id probably dump it in boiling water for 10mins.
Rinse it out too if its still sticky.
Steam evaporate. And then load in jars.
I ALWAYS GO FOR WHOLE OATS but today, I cant find whole oats in 3 shops I went to. I shouldve probably go for mixed birdseeds but decided to go for hulled oats.
It would probably work.
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So did it turn out fine?
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