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Posture check!

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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: LotKid]
#27671477 - 02/24/22 10:18 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Guess I’m that kid doing my own thing again, I’ve never pH’d my water I have 8.0 pH at the tap, never tested it so I had to collect the run off last night it was running 6.5-6.8 but I believe the higher readings came from the water traveling down the sides of the containers and never being “buffered” through the soil, you guys are suggesting I pH the water to 6.5 to feed to my keg cup clones in Promix HP when it’s already comes out at near 6.5? I’m not on board, but tempted to see what happens.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: A.k.a]
#27671516 - 02/24/22 10:51 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: Man all your guys stuff looks great.
Idk what’s going on but this shit is plaguing me now.

Got new ph and ppm pens, started heating the water, brushed up on the basics to make sure I’m not missing something dumb 
The only other thing I can think of to do is start monitoring the run off and try find some clues.
Do you fluctuate your ph levels when watering and feeding because different nutrients are taken up 8n different ranges.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Doc9151]
#27671548 - 02/24/22 11:13 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Yep I normally keep it between 5.8-6.2. The last couple days I’ve slowly started widening it to 5.5-6.5.
I’ve been adding a pinch of epsom the past few days also, usually about 80ppm, so I’m hoping that’ll stop the spread of whatever it is.
I didn’t have this issue the entire first couple grows when I was unknowingly adding extra micro either, so if it keeps up I’m going to increase micro by like 20% next.
The weird thing is some plants don’t get it. The strawberry pie auto and my first double chocolate were fine. It definitely seems to be more prevalent when there’s Sativa genetics.
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LizardWizard said: You running HPS? Go for a CMH setup instead 
Lol you realize they put out the same heat? They're both like 1.7umol/J. If the joules aren't making photons, they're making heat. Similar wattage devices with similar electrical efficiencies = similar btu load. Cmon man, these are basics. I honestly don't have anything against CMH but you keep saying the dumbest shit about them.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: A.k.a]
#27671697 - 02/24/22 12:47 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Dr PinkShroom said: Guess I’m that kid doing my own thing again, I’ve never pH’d my water I have 8.0 pH at the tap, never tested it so I had to collect the run off last night it was running 6.5-6.8 but I believe the higher readings came from the water traveling down the sides of the containers and never being “buffered” through the soil, you guys are suggesting I pH the water to 6.5 to feed to my keg cup clones in Promix HP when it’s already comes out at near 6.5? I’m not on board, but tempted to see what happens.
Promix and Sunshine mix don't have a lot of swing between input and run off IME. Sunshine 4 Pro is about a .2 swing for me. I haven't checked the Sunshine 4 Advanced that I'm trying now. I'm a little curious how the additional coir will change that if at all.
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A.k.a said: Man all your guys stuff looks great.
Idk what’s going on but this shit is plaguing me now.

Got new ph and ppm pens, started heating the water, brushed up on the basics to make sure I’m not missing something dumb 
The only other thing I can think of to do is start monitoring the run off and try find some clues.
Do you fluctuate your ph levels when watering and feeding because different nutrients are taken up 8n different ranges.
Not much. About .2 to .3 +/-
Too much can cause shock so be careful.
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A.k.a said: Yep I normally keep it between 5.8-6.2. The last couple days I’ve slowly started widening it to 5.5-6.5.
I’ve been adding a pinch of epsom the past few days also, usually about 80ppm, so I’m hoping that’ll stop the spread of whatever it is.
I didn’t have this issue the entire first couple grows when I was unknowingly adding extra micro either, so if it keeps up I’m going to increase micro by like 20% next.
The weird thing is some plants don’t get it. The strawberry pie auto and my first double chocolate were fine. It definitely seems to be more prevalent when there’s Sativa genetics.
I think I would avoid any feeding changes until ph is totally verified. I know you grow on coir so it may be a little different, but I would get that up to 5.9 min to 6.5 max. The trouble is starting with low N and it looks like it's cascading into something else. But you'll go crazy trying to figure it out without the proper ph. Sativas typically require lower N as well. The mistake many make with them (including me lol) is too much N. That might be all it is but I still wonder if you're not having a root fungi issue. You use soft pots too if I remember. Are they being washed between use? If so then with what? If it's a root fungi it's possible that it's carrying in the fabric.. maybe. Not so much my forte, but thinking is fun sometimes lol.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: A.k.a]
#27671716 - 02/24/22 12:59 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Dr PinkShroom said: Guess I’m that kid doing my own thing again, I’ve never pH’d my water I have 8.0 pH at the tap, never tested it so I had to collect the run off last night it was running 6.5-6.8 but I believe the higher readings came from the water traveling down the sides of the containers and never being “buffered” through the soil, you guys are suggesting I pH the water to 6.5 to feed to my keg cup clones in Promix HP when it’s already comes out at near 6.5? I’m not on board, but tempted to see what happens.
You can add oyster shell n lime to help buffer things out, but it seems like you're in the right range. If it works for you, and you're not noticing deficiencies I'd say stick with it. Know a few ppl who never PH n they always seem good. Personally had two rounds back to back stall/lock out during flower, idk what caused it, tea sitting for too long, too much food, filter went bad, if the probes were not calibrated, 5mins to PH n PPM is fine with me, rather than cost me half a salary.
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A.k.a said: Yep I normally keep it between 5.8-6.2. The last couple days I’ve slowly started widening it to 5.5-6.5.
I’ve been adding a pinch of epsom the past few days also, usually about 80ppm, so I’m hoping that’ll stop the spread of whatever it is.
I didn’t have this issue the entire first couple grows when I was unknowingly adding extra micro either, so if it keeps up I’m going to increase micro by like 20% next.
I'd lean more towards 6.5 then 5.5, even at 6.5 you'll still be getting high uptake of micro nutrients, whereas, 5.5 you'll be getting almost the same micro uptake but way less of the macro nutrients. What's your amendments list, or feed look like?
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I’m just running the GH three part with calmag.
Based on some stuff I read today I might just be under feeding. Does anyone have experience using the Lucas formula in coir? Idk how the nutrients interact but apparently nitrogen is a big deal. According to the charts I saw the Lucas formula cuts out only .5-1ml of grow, but uses about 4x the bloom/micro.
Two of my plants are in very late bloom so I’ve been mixing up my flower nute jug based on that, which has zero grow in it. For my plants in early flower I’d just mix a little veg nutes in with the late bloom mixture but after a couple weeks would just give them the late bloom mix with no grow added.
Apparently when I do that I need to drastically increase the ppm. Using the late bloom mix I would max it out around 750ppm which I thought was super high but I guess not.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: A.k.a]
#27672065 - 02/24/22 06:00 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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AKA I’m using the same GH 3 part with CalMag in my flood table looking at the feed chart on GH website they are always suggesting using some grow throughout flower in the mix. I think no matter how you mix it you need some grow according to GH, the ratios of NPK are not balanced of each part (maybe their just trying to sell more stuff) just thought I’d throw that out there
https://edge.generalhydroponics.com/www/uploads/20210121184300/FloraSeries-Basic-Feed-Charts.pdf
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I got off the bottle. Used to be an advanced nutes guy. Full line. RO water and all.
Now, just some dry amendments and ph'd water from the tap. Been making my life so much easier
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Do you know why there’s two charts on that page? Looks like the bottom is more generalized.
This is the one I’ve always used so far, might have to give yours a shot for a while.
You gotta scroll down a little https://www.cocoforcannabis.com/mixnutes/
I knew the Lucas method didn’t use grow so I wasn’t super worried about skipping it for late flower. But the chart I use is 2.25ml micro and 4ml bloom. The Lucas is 8/16 which is a crazy jump.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: A.k.a] 2
#27672125 - 02/24/22 06:33 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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^^ some plants don’t look pretty when growing also, yet are kept for many reasons
I wish I had time to fuck with ph
I rather find ladies who cooperate under my circumstances https:// 
Had this OrangeKrush , that goes purp , for ever She may not yield bumper crops but good medicine in even worst conditions She cooperates. Pic of indoor first and greenhouse 2nd
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: A.k.a]
#27672141 - 02/24/22 06:39 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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The charts are light, medium, heavy feed schedules. You using the flora? I saw the CocoTek below that chart looks more like a straight bloom x 2 and grow x 2, how many jugs of nutrients does a guy really need.
https://edge.generalhydroponics.com/www/uploads/20210121184202/CocoTek-Basic-Feed-Charts.pdf
Looks nice rhizorider! Truth to that, having girls that you get along with is a good thing.
Lot kid I got off the bottles and salts outdoors, I still have the training wheels on for my flood table.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: LotKid] 1
#27672214 - 02/24/22 07:44 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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LotKid said: I got off the bottle. Used to be an advanced nutes guy. Full line. RO water and all.
Now, just some dry amendments and ph'd water from the tap. Been making my life so much easier
Woooooooo! Hit em with the realness. Love picking up dry nutes for the indoor n veggie garden once a year for the same price fools buy 2/3 jugs of liquid. Seriously lacking on the terp profile and trichome production with the salts/liquids, but fools still doubt the organics when I'm pulling same numbers if not better.
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This is looking sooo wild! And the first looks like an ice storm came thru! The hunt for the winners never stops, have to weed those weak ones out! It's like flavor of the week over here. Gotta keep it fun!
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Hard to not use bottles when youre actually running a flood table as intended 
I have nothing against bottles and hydro. Once you get to a certain scale they actually make more sense but i'm not at that scale or budget atm.
And since ganja isnt the only thing on my plate making the care for them much easier and less involved has been a blessing. And i cant really say i've noticed much difference in performance. My wallet is much happier about it
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: LotKid]
#27672245 - 02/24/22 08:15 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Thx for kind words folks
 
Sometimes that old saying KISS ( keep it simple stoner) actually works also hehehe It’s sometimes near funny when ppl go nuts making “perfect” conditions and do near lab work to water. Hydro of coarse , yes, ya fuck with those things,,,,,,,,,,but good genetics , decent soil and water is all that’s required it’s a WEED and I , most often have to hold my plants BACK because they can grow too large too quick Also why I bush mine out I am minimizing stretch growth
And you certainly WONT find frosty buds like that 1st pick deep under thick canopy
I def trim down foliage at various points Mainly large leaves pointing toward center or main stem
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: A.k.a] 1
#27672406 - 02/24/22 10:34 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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I think the one chart is the “masters mix” or whatever they call it and it’s with all the additives like silicon and floranectar blah blah. It’s like 12 bottles… lol
I like the floranova. It’s for plants in continuous feed systems. And it works great with coco.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Enjoil] 1
#27672724 - 02/25/22 07:21 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Dem roots startin to rip. 
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Bigger cloner might be on the list....
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: LotKid]
#27672731 - 02/25/22 07:36 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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I'm going to get my cloner going this weekend. it only has 12 slots, and one is for the wires so only really 11 places for me to put clones. i think i am going to build a bigger one soon. i love mine and it's the fastest way for me in my experience to make clones. looking good lotkid & rhizoRider. I like doing the organic dry amendments like earth dust. water only and it saves so much time and preparation. i also use liquid. nectar of the gods mainly. ive tried other brands line ups of liquid nutrients. it all does' take some time to do and water. im not sure which i really like better. i like the results from both. that orange kush looks so black and frosty sparkly. how much citrus taste? mimosa evo and dos-si-dos33 both had a lot of citrus taste. one was like grapefruit and sour and the other oranges peels. looks good. i have to feed my girls today and im using aurora root organics dry amendments. i really like these ones. you have to top dress the dry amendments once a week. like 10 different bags i use and each week gets a little different mix. its good stuff.
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I switched to gaia green organics. 4-4-4 all purpose and 2-8-4 bloom. I add extra insect frass from down to earth and then worm castings. Also use mykos and azos from xtreme gardening.
Only have to amend once a month. The only thing that differs is how i ratio the 4-4-4 and 2-8-4 depending on where the plant is in the cycle.
So much cheaper and easier than how i used to do it.
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