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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
#27709467 - 03/26/22 12:52 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Enlil said: I don't see how what Russia is doing is any better than the U.S. invading Iraq. I don't remember you defending the U.S. invasion like this.
The US invaded Iraq to install a puppet Government there. We orchestrated the coup in Ukraine to install a puppet Government there.
Russia let us get away with both.
Now what we're seeing in Ukraine is Russia defending the territories that don't want to live under a US puppet Government.
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Yeah, Russia hasn't attacked or invaded anything. That would be bad. They've simply liberated and defended people, which is good.
I'm just presenting all the evidence. Just because I point out Russia's benevolent and humane approach to its neighbor's domestic conflicts doesn't mean I have any dog in this fight. I'm just correcting the record, etc.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: ballsalsa]
#27709502 - 03/26/22 01:29 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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ballsalsa said: Yeah, Russia hasn't attacked or invaded anything.
Did I say that somewhere???
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#27709546 - 03/26/22 02:11 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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theRealrollforever said: I am in agreement with koods here. You're either with us, or against us. Russia is definitely against us. Have we made mistakes? Sure. But the fact is that Ukraine is not related to us. By NATO or by marriage. Putin has a legit beef, but I don't have to give a fuck. I hope this war devastates Russia for decades to come. I'm also gonna have relief flood into my veins when I hear about how Russia has suffered crippling casualties or that Vladimir Putin is killed and finally put universal nuke back on docking station.
Reciting GWB War on Terror lines in order to prove you’re against fascism.
*sitting comfortably on the opposite side of the globe with no danger posed to me whatsoever* I just think way more people should die that way we uphold the beliefs that I can’t even stand up for rhetorically, let alone in action. 
Listen up kid I'm about to tell you a couple'a three things ok? A) we do not negotiate with terrorists B) Vladimir Putin is a WAR TERRORIST and that wasn't his missle that bombed the hospital
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Now what we're seeing in Ukraine is Russia defending the territories that don't want to live under a US puppet Government.
They must not want the Russian govt either , seeing how they are killing so many of them and all .
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: ballsalsa]
#27709622 - 03/26/22 03:29 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm just explaining through sarcasm what "defending" and "liberating" mean in the context of an invasion of a sovereign nation.
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ballsalsa said: Yeah, Russia hasn't attacked or invaded anything.
Did I say that somewhere???
Crimea. Many times.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: pineninja]
#27709679 - 03/26/22 04:32 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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ballsalsa said: Yeah, Russia hasn't attacked or invaded anything.
Did I say that somewhere???
Crimea. Many times.
Correct, Crimea was never attacked because they WANTED to rejoin Russia rather than live under an unelected puppet Government the US helped install (remember the leaked Victoria Nuland call where she talked about who we were going to put in charge there?)
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"Did I say that [Russia hasn't attacked or invaded anything] somewhere???"
"Correct, Crimea was never attacked because[...]"
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Vladimir Putin: What young men?
Maria Sittel: Those polite young men.
Kirill Kleymenov: The “little green men.”
Vladimir Putin: I have already spoken about this publicly on several occasions, perhaps not loud enough. However, in my conversations with my foreign colleagues I did not hide the fact that our goal was to ensure proper conditions for the people of Crimea to be able to freely express their will. And so we had to take the necessary measures in order to prevent the situation in Crimea unfolding the way it is now unfolding in southeastern Ukraine. We didn’t want any tanks, any nationalist combat units or people with extreme views armed with automatic weapons. Of course, the Russian servicemen did back the Crimean self-defence forces. They acted in a civil but a decisive and professional manner, as I’ve already said.
It was impossible to hold an open, honest, and dignified referendum and help people express their opinion in any other way. Still, bear in mind that there were more than 20,000 well-armed soldiers stationed in Crimea. In addition, there were 38 S-300 missile launchers, weapons depots and rounds of ammunition. It was imperative to prevent even the possibility of someone using these weapons against civilians.
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/20796
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You're crazy! Those soldiers weren't there to coerce the vote one way or the other. They were simply occupying, i mean, protecting the territory from...itself, or something. After all, people speak Russian there and stuff, plus the handful that I spoke with shortly after the invasion, I mean, liberation, said that they love Russia and hate the dirty, smelly, nazis in the west
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we arm and fund terror groups across the globe, have been doing so for many decades. We back them when it's convenient and when they inevitably turn on us we get a new enemy to wage war against and continue funding the war machine. We arm and fund over 70% of the world's dictatorships. We've killed millions of innocent civilians over the last few decades to fight terrorists that we created. Turns out when when we destabilize entire regions, create power vacuums, turn cities into rubble, destroy their economies, prevent food and medicine from entering the country, and kill mostly civilians, the people living in those places have a high tendency to hate the US government... and the cycle continues.
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theRealrollforever said: I am in agreement with koods here. You're either with us, or against us. Russia is definitely against us. Have we made mistakes? Sure. But the fact is that Ukraine is not related to us. By NATO or by marriage. Putin has a legit beef, but I don't have to give a fuck. I hope this war devastates Russia for decades to come. I'm also gonna have relief flood into my veins when I hear about how Russia has suffered crippling casualties or that Vladimir Putin is killed and finally put universal nuke back on docking station.
Reciting GWB War on Terror lines in order to prove you’re against fascism.
*sitting comfortably on the opposite side of the globe with no danger posed to me whatsoever* I just think way more people should die that way we uphold the beliefs that I can’t even stand up for rhetorically, let alone in action. 
Listen up kid I'm about to tell you a couple'a three things ok? A) we do not negotiate with terrorists B) Vladimir Putin is a WAR TERRORIST and that wasn't his missle that bombed the hospital

I’m really hoping this is a lazy troll bc the alternative is far more sad.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods] 1
#27709841 - 03/26/22 08:13 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: No interest in being friendly with an appeaser and war crime apologist. Sometimes in the world there are very clear rights and wrongs and you have picked the wrong side here.
So looking at any reason or background or history as to why the world is facing the worst crisis in living memory is somehow being a war crime apologist. Are you seriously saying that?
Also, I don't ever recall saying ANYWHERE that I'm 'on Russia's side'. I guess that's further evidence as to why you've earnt the title of the shroomery King of Make Believe 
As for labelling me an appeaser, are you going to call Zelensky the same when he finally realises he should end this conflict through negotiation?... Of course not. You'd rather see him fight the Russians down to the last Ukrainian.
This is exactly the same type of dumbed down garbage commentary we could hear from a group of hysterical women on The View or that dick Chuck Todd.
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theRealrollforever said: Listen up kid I'm about to tell you a couple'a three things ok? A) we do not negotiate with terrorists B) Vladimir Putin is a WAR TERRORIST and that wasn't his missle that bombed the hospital

The U.S. government funds, trains, backs, props up, lies for, assists and sells arms to terrorists.
If they were serious about declaring who the real terrorists are they'd put themselves top of the terrorist list !
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius] 1
#27709862 - 03/26/22 08:47 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's the only worst crisis in living memory if we don't count nonwhite people.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Brian Jones]
#27709866 - 03/26/22 08:51 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Showing my ignorance, I agree.
Although I was thinking nuclear crisis Brian.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Brian Jones]
#27709909 - 03/26/22 09:32 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Brian Jones said: Yes America screwed with Australia's political system when I was in high school, which deserves criticism, particularly from Australians. But I'm medicare eligible in two months, so only those most directly affected will care about something that long ago. I had a college friend who became a Navy pilot in the middle 80's. He said American Navy boys were still popular in Australia going back to the war with Japan. I knew Serbians who said they had previously been the victims of atrocities. But the atrocities they committed were recent.
Offenses from the past fade with time, except to those most affected,
Whitlam was a polarising figure. Business leaders loathed him, unionists, students, women in general loved him. My mother recalls Gough being the best Prime Minister Australia has ever had.
He achieved a lot in 3 years.
He pulled the last troops out of Vietnam. Led a delegation to China(Nixon announced a visit the following week).
Introduced equal pay for women. Introduced welfare payments for single mothers and the homeless.
Removed the death penalty for Commonwealth offenses. Simplified the Family Law Court and introduced non-punitive divorce laws.
Introduced free university, yep free, again women benefited significantly. Basically kick started the Land Rights movement with the epic gesture towards Vincent Lingiari after the walk off from Wave Hill Station.
Ensured that Papua New Guinea independence.
They're the main ones, he did a lot of other stuff, made a heap of blunders, was almost as arrogant as Trump(but in a nicer way and man could he talk well being a barrister) yet was a thoroughly decent leader and a champion of the underclass.
No wonder he was jokingly referred to as the countries only living god
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shivas.wisdom said: "Did I say that [Russia hasn't attacked or invaded anything] somewhere???"
"Correct, Crimea was never attacked because[...]"
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Vladimir Putin: What young men?
Maria Sittel: Those polite young men.
Kirill Kleymenov: The “little green men.”
Vladimir Putin: I have already spoken about this publicly on several occasions, perhaps not loud enough. However, in my conversations with my foreign colleagues I did not hide the fact that our goal was to ensure proper conditions for the people of Crimea to be able to freely express their will. And so we had to take the necessary measures in order to prevent the situation in Crimea unfolding the way it is now unfolding in southeastern Ukraine. We didn’t want any tanks, any nationalist combat units or people with extreme views armed with automatic weapons. Of course, the Russian servicemen did back the Crimean self-defence forces. They acted in a civil but a decisive and professional manner, as I’ve already said.
It was impossible to hold an open, honest, and dignified referendum and help people express their opinion in any other way. Still, bear in mind that there were more than 20,000 well-armed soldiers stationed in Crimea. In addition, there were 38 S-300 missile launchers, weapons depots and rounds of ammunition. It was imperative to prevent even the possibility of someone using these weapons against civilians.
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/20796
Yes, I know about all this. I wished I understood your point.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: ballsalsa]
#27709931 - 03/26/22 09:49 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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ballsalsa said: You're crazy! Those soldiers weren't there to coerce the vote one way or the other. They were simply occupying, i mean, protecting the territory from...itself, or something. After all, people speak Russian there and stuff, plus the handful that I spoke with shortly after the invasion, I mean, liberation, said that they love Russia and hate the dirty, smelly, nazis in the west
Another 'sarcastic' post? Or do you actually believe anything you just said? I can't tell anymore.
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You're way too intelligent not to know the point. Putin got it right away.
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