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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: nooneman]
    #28061828 - 11/20/22 02:38 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

My beer bro... :crying:


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28062100 - 11/20/22 05:21 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Lets have a better look at your claims here.

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For the Messiah was a partaker of state sponsored propaganda, but we decree he has changed his stance, and is no longer affiliated with his history of Russian state sponsored propaganda, because he was so toxic RT had to disavow his statements.[quote/]

Nowhere in the links you provided is there anything about this claim of yours about RT "disavowing" him, so until you provide one I'm saying your claim is bullshit.
After his capture by Ukrainian SBU, Alexey Kuznetsov of RT had this to say;

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Russia Today said its repeated attempts to speak to representatives of the Ukrainian security service had been rebuffed.

It appealed to the British consulates in Russia and Ukraine, as well as to the UK Foreign Office, requesting their help with Mr Phillips's release.

Russia Today said he had called to tell them of his detention but they had since lost all contact with him.

The English language TV network claimed a source had told them Mr Phillips would be released if he deleted footage he had recorded near a roadblock.

Alexey Kuznetsov, deputy head of Russia Today's English department, said: "We still cannot get in touch with Graham, we are extremely worried what could happen to him."



This was reported by the BBC
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-27506545

RT again ran another story on Phillips in November 2018. I didn't get the idea that they were 'disavowing' him :shrug:
https://www.rt.com/uk/444579-graham-phillips-banned-twitter/

Those 2 links were from major news outlets, unlike yours. In fact the hit piece(not my words, have a read of the comments in the comment section) by Unherd journalist Tim Ogden gives us some insight into what's going on here.
What's Tim Ogden story? Well look at that, he's a British journalist based in?... Georgia! :laugh2:

Like I said above, most of the 'western' comments were saying stuff like this about Tim's article on Phillips
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This is an ugly hitpiece on a journalist



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Comparing Phillips to Lord Haw-Haw is a bit rich. How many have ever heard a Phillips video?



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This article is a disgraceful, ad hominem attack on someone who holds a different opinion to the author. It is not objective debate.



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Agreed this is sly and snide piece of “journalism”



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What a shit piece….from a wannabe liked student of state sanctioned propaganda



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What a disgusting piece of so-called journalism & bang in line with the woke attitudes of today



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This is truly a vile hit piece of an article that shames, a usually excellent Unherd. Tim Ogden’s poor use of English makes it doubly shameful for Unherd to allow him to publish under their name..




Straight up he creates a straw man and compares Phillips to William Joyce(who was hanged) and goes full tilt on the hyperbole, I'll underline the hysterical bits;
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As the parallels between Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and WWII abound, there is one figure who has escaped notice: 2022’s Lord Haw-Haw, otherwise known as William Joyce. The 1940s voice of anti-Western propaganda was Joyce, a committed American fascist who fled to Germany at the outbreak of World War II — his modern equivalent is Graham Phillips, a so-called journalist who has served as a Kremlin mouthpiece since Russia’s original hostilities against Ukraine in 2014.

Phillips’ history of actively promoting the Kremlin narrative has not been limited to fringe social media activity. He has worked for Russian state media, and clearly retains official links with the authorities: in the last week, he has been given access to British-born Ukrainian prisoners of war, interviewing them for his YouTube channel. The video has since been removed, but third-party clips remain online. It would, however, be inaccurate to describe his video of Ukrainian Marine/Nottingham native Aiden Aslin as an interview; willing interviewees, after all, are rarely in handcuffs. 

In the first of many inaccuracies, it begins with Phillips stating — and making his subject confirm — that Aslin is a mercenary. By definition, this is simply not true. As a citizen of Ukraine and an enlisted member of the country’s Armed Forces, Aslin is neither a mercenary nor a private military contractor.

This sets the tone of the proceedings. Aslin resignedly agrees with whatever predictable Kremlin propaganda Phillips espouses (‘I was on the wrong side’/’I was misled’), but Phillips remains petty enough to sharply correct any Ukrainian pronunciation of regional locales — hardly the conduct, one could reasonably surmise, of an independent journalist.

However, his conduct in the Aslin interrogation is simply the latest example of his eight years of servitude to Moscow, work which began after he moved to Ukraine following a visit to the country to watch a football match. Originally a blogger with a sleazy focus on sex and prostitution, he became affiliated with Russia Today during the 2014 Euromaidan revolution and the subsequent conflict between Russia and Ukraine.

His journalistic narratives have always been word-for-word translations of premium Kremlin propaganda, lent faux legitimacy by a middle-class English accent: Ukraine has been taken over by Nazis; Georgia is a fascist state and a NATO puppet that provoked Russia into war in 2008; Russia is a liberator defending oppressed minorities under attack by the West and their Eastern European allies.

https://unherd.com/thepost/meet-the-british-journalist-who-became-a-kremlin-mouthpiece/





Your second link, big deal, another hit piece(my words) with little substance and plenty of anti Kremlin hype and hyperbole.

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Phillips, who blew onto the international media scene 2 1/2 years ago with the start of hostilities in Ukraine, has made his name on social media and video-sharing sites for brash and sometimes foolhardy reporting around the front lines with pro-Moscow separatists.

He has worked for Russia's state broadcaster RT and its military channel Zvezda and toes the Kremlin line, alleging Kyiv's responsibility for the conflict and shaming its troops and accusing them of the "murder [of] civilians," as well as asserting Moscow's narrative that part of eastern Ukraine "is Novorossia and not Ukraine." He has routinely posed with separatist or Russian weapons in hand and in Russian military uniform, and even cheered separatists' tactical victories on the battlefield.

Phillips' critics call his war coverage mere Russia-sponsored theater with the aim of legitimizing Moscow's designs in Ukraine.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rferl.org/amp/ukraine-graham-graham-phillips-reporter-/28008922.html




I'm still waiting for you to point out anything dishonest from Graham Phillips in those 2 video's... because you can't  :super:  so I'll keep posting his relevant and newsworthy videos on Crimea demonstrating how the western media has fooled you until you can.




So the BBC reported that Phillips was detained for covert filming in a morgue..

RT disavowed his claims of being shot at by Ukranian soldiers.

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RT’s freelance reporter, Graham Phillips, claimed to have been shot at by Ukrainian soldiers as he approached them to engage in dialogue near the town of Kramatorsk. However, the video he was shooting at the time reveals he triggered a tripwire flare.

That video up in a minute. I was wearing a 'Press' vest, tried to engage in dialogue, Ukrainian soldier shot at me from distance, Kramatorsk

As seen in the footage below, Graham Phillips is walking across a field. As he gets closer to the Ukrainian soldiers and greets them in Russian, also warning he is “press,” the trip wire goes off.

In his further tweets Graham said the shooting still took place, though it was not captured by the camera.

https://www.rt.com/news/159468-ukraine-shoot-army-journalist/amp/




Your RT link was about a Twitter ban?
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Twitter has drawn the ire of conservative media in recent months for a series of bans targeting online commentators and political figures such as Alex Jones and Louis Farrakhan, among others.




Those two links of yours were irrelevant.

Tim Ogdens story is that he is from Georgia..? Breaking news! But that's not a story. He used to work for Georgia Today.

Do you want to claim he's state sponsored? Or what's your point.. and look at the comment section, really? 

William Joyce was an American who broadcast Nazi propaganda, Graham Phillips is a Brit who broadcasts Russian propaganda. Where is the straw man or hyperbole in that?

At least you've said in your opinion it's a hit piece.

What's wrong with the videos by Graham is that they're propaganda.

Even if the videos weren't propaganda, had no bias in their framing, and no selection in their interviewees, they wouldn't hold any weight because of their anecdotal nature, so I don't know why you're holding on to them so dearly, they're no different to Fals survey.

If I went to a certain suburbs and started asking randoms their view on racial issues, I'd surely be able to find some that have racist views. If I wanted to I could show 5 people with racist views, and 5 without, then say 50% of the suburb was racist. I could make it 7, or 3, or whatever suited my agenda, this would be no different to the videos you've shared, or the survey Fal did, because it would not hold any weight, and I'd be rightfully ridiculed for using it to support any specific claims relating to racism. 

I almost feel sorry for you seeing you melt down and grasp at straws like this.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28062116 - 11/20/22 05:30 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Brian Jones said:
China wisely sits on the sidelines.




China must be laughing their arse's off at this clown show, watching Europe destroy itself over the most corrupt country in Europe while the U.S. has simultaneously weakened the position of the greenback, increased their debt, depleted their own reserves of weapons and created a welfare state in Ukraine. What a gigantic dog fuck :laugh2:



Lol so wrong on every point


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: nooneman]
    #28062438 - 11/20/22 09:27 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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depleted their own reserves of weapons



 
    We still have all of this and almost 7000 tanks. 





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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Psilynut2]
    #28062454 - 11/20/22 09:44 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Small arms are handguns, rifles, and portable machine guns, typically up to 7.62 mm caliber. While the 26 million rounds being provided to Ukraine may sound like a lot, it is not even 1 percent of annual U.S. production (8.6 billion in 2020)




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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: mushboy]
    #28062469 - 11/20/22 09:59 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I think the US civilian population probably has enough ammo on hand to fight Russia .
  Gun manufactures sell over 8 billion rounds a year here .


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Psilynut2]
    #28062478 - 11/20/22 10:08 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

the US also has war reserves and shit. id imagine we have enough conventional weapons to destroy the world a few times over and thats just the bedroom stash:awehigh:


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: mushboy]
    #28063290 - 11/21/22 12:49 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

26 million rounds is not even one full 30 rounder per person in a million man army.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: mycosis] * 3
    #28063294 - 11/21/22 12:53 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Have to be like “Don’t shoot until you can smell the vodka on their breath boys!”


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: mycosis] * 1
    #28063366 - 11/21/22 02:12 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

The US sent about 700 billion $ in supplies to mostly the UK and USSR in WW2 - the payback mostly came in private sector stimulus. The US sent about 17.5 million tons of aid - approx 200 billion$ worth - to the USSR and it took till 1973 to get them to pay back like 700 million $ worth. :lolsy:


" The U.S. asked for $1.3 billion at the cessation of hostilities to settle the debt, but was only offered $170 million by the USSR. The dispute remained unresolved until 1972, when the U.S. accepted an offer from the USSR to repay $722 million linked to grain shipments from the U.S., representing 25% of the initial debt with inflation taken into account, with the remainder being written off. During the war the USSR provided an unknown number of shipments of rare minerals to the US Treasury as a form of cashless repayment of Lend-Lease. This was agreed upon before the signing of the first protocol on October 1, 1941, and extension of credit. Some of these shipments were intercepted by the Germans. In May 1942, HMS Edinburgh was sunk while carrying 4.5 tonnes of Soviet gold intended for the U.S. Treasury. This gold was salvaged in 1981 and 1986. In June 1942, SS Port Nicholson was sunk en route from Halifax, Nova Scotia to New York, allegedly with Soviet platinum, gold, and diamonds aboard; the wreck was discovered in 2008. However, none of this cargo has been salvaged, and no documentation of its treasure has been produced"

Anyone wanna go salavage the soviet treasure ship? :awesome:

The drama continues tho

"The salvors have claimed that underwater exploration of the wreck has revealed boxes too heavy to lift, that are supposed to contain the platinum ingots. The British, US and Russian governments may make claims over the cargo should anything of serious value be discovered"

"It was reported in December 2013 that Brooks had put his vessel Sea Hunter up for sale and laid off most of his staff and crew. He is also being sued by a group of investors who had provided over $8 million in financing, on the grounds of fraud and misrepresentation of the actual existence of any platinum or other valuable cargo. Several leading wreck salvage experts, including Robert Marx, had gone on record questioning Brooks' claim of such cargo and laying out a long list of false claims of success in treasure hunting going back for decades. In April 2015, Brooks' rights to Port Nicholson were dismissed with prejudice, preventing him from pursuing any further salvage of the shipwreck. The order also required him to return six items he had recovered. Federal investigators have investigated allegations that Brooks defrauded investors.

On 7 December 2018, the FBI has said it is no longer pursuing the case and there is a five-year statute of limitations on federal fraud cases."

Maybe it's still out there?! Maybe not?!


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: twighead]
    #28063374 - 11/21/22 02:16 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Jah!  :awesomenod:

:omgawesome:


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: twighead] * 1
    #28063380 - 11/21/22 02:22 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

The US rebuilt most of Europe and Japan and other Asian areas affected by WW2 at our cost.  The money was in the form of grants from the US Treasury. Being able to do this is a significant part of the US cementing it's status as THE superpower on the world stage for the back half of the 20th century.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Ice9]
    #28063454 - 11/21/22 03:34 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Yeah, there is also inherent value in doing the work. Or, more specifically, paying US workers to do the work. It's why the US military is a giant welfare scheme for small town America. Lots of welders welding armor plates we don't need and getting paid enough to not turn to meth.

I guess the personal finance equivalent is spending money on a hobby to not go insane?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Ice9]
    #28063462 - 11/21/22 03:39 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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The US rebuilt most of Europe and Japan and other Asian areas affected by WW2 at our cost.  The money was in the form of grants from the US Treasury. Being able to do this is a significant part of the US cementing it's status as THE superpower on the world stage for the back half of the 20th century.



Right this is also an important point


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: twighead]
    #28064973 - 11/22/22 04:12 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Sounds like there was a fairly large drone strike on Sevastopol Naval Base today.

I wonder when the Kerch Bridge repairs will be complete? I predict "difficult times" for it's future. :naughty:


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kwyjibo]
    #28065454 - 11/23/22 12:27 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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...what about the rest of the list?



It's all the same.  Once you dig into it, none of them turn out to be lies.  Don't believe me?  Pick your favorite lie from RT and let's have a discussion about it.




My favorite lie? You were given a list already that you haven't disproven, why do you keep avoiding those? You said you dug into it? Let's see your evidence.



My evidence is that you can't point out a single lie on the list that's worthy of discussion.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28065458 - 11/23/22 12:31 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Fal be like, Bruh.



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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #28065460 - 11/23/22 12:32 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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You can't believe the mainstream media because they get their info from the government. But if Russia's government is directly giving people the news they're somehow trustworthy.



That's not how it works.  I compare evidence to see which side is better.  And when we can't know, like with the Crimean referendum, I go to Crimea to talk with the people.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #28065465 - 11/23/22 12:36 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I think you must be narcissistic to think your survey holds any merit, to keep bringing it up like it means anything. You keep talking about this 'survey' of yours, that is unequivocally a joke.

Stop it.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #28065473 - 11/23/22 12:39 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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Kwyjibo said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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Kwyjibo said:
...what about the rest of the list?



It's all the same.  Once you dig into it, none of them turn out to be lies.  Don't believe me?  Pick your favorite lie from RT and let's have a discussion about it.




My favorite lie? You were given a list already that you haven't disproven, why do you keep avoiding those? You said you dug into it? Let's see your evidence.



My evidence is that you can't point out a single lie on the list that's worthy of discussion.



I pointed out more than a single lie worth discussion, I pointed out a whole list.


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