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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28061094 - 11/20/22 03:09 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Stable Genius said:
Occupied by a foreign aggressor! ooooooo sounds menacing  :awesketch:



I was just about to say the same.  What if the people there were telling the truth about Russia being a defender and not an aggressor?




Well, the US department of defense invaded Iraq. Actually, any military actions by the US are under the department of defense. Therefore, any US meddling in the world is a defensive invasion. Just like Russia defensively invaded a sovereign nation.

That's what you're saying?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28061146 - 11/20/22 05:38 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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You are dead on your hill my friend.

Graham has retained the Overton window he had as a Russian state sponsored propagandist.




lol you haven't been able to find anything dishonest in those videos I posted that constitutes state sponsored propaganda :laugh2:

Here, let Graham Phillips show you what true state sponsored propaganda looks like with the BBC's hit piece on Moscow where he points out the dishonesty easily.






OK 6:30am on a weekend, so this is going off in four directions.

Every side employs state propaganda. The MSM's everywhere generally propagate it. The alternative media sources build careers around disputing it.

I try to still believe there is true and false, but it gets increasingly more difficult to avoid full blown postmodernist thinking that objectivity is a relic (and a false one even before), and there is nothing except interpretation.

But I do generalize that propaganda's effectiveness depends on how it is propped up. During the cold war, American propaganda sounded better to most of the world because the Western standard of living was attractive compared to the Soviets. (There were other variables, but that one was central). Now the West still has an advantage, but the battle over world view is more contested, because the U.S. model didn't sufficiently share the wealth with the 3rd World, and American economic dominance has a timeline.

China wisely sits on the sidelines. India is just as important because it's assumed that China stays authoritarian. Does India stay democratic?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28061166 - 11/20/22 06:18 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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I saw the list, but none of those were shown to be lies. 




Only because you refuse to call lies some that clearly are


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: sudly]
    #28061168 - 11/20/22 06:20 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Lets have a better look at your claims here.


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sudly said:

For the Messiah was a partaker of state sponsored propaganda, but we decree he has changed his stance, and is no longer affiliated with his history of Russian state sponsored propaganda, because he was so toxic RT had to disavow his statements.[quote/]

Nowhere in the links you provided is there anything about this claim of yours about RT "disavowing" him, so until you provide one I'm saying your claim is bullshit.
After his capture by Ukrainian SBU, Alexey Kuznetsov of RT had this to say;

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Russia Today said its repeated attempts to speak to representatives of the Ukrainian security service had been rebuffed.

It appealed to the British consulates in Russia and Ukraine, as well as to the UK Foreign Office, requesting their help with Mr Phillips's release.

Russia Today said he had called to tell them of his detention but they had since lost all contact with him.

The English language TV network claimed a source had told them Mr Phillips would be released if he deleted footage he had recorded near a roadblock.

Alexey Kuznetsov, deputy head of Russia Today's English department, said: "We still cannot get in touch with Graham, we are extremely worried what could happen to him."



This was reported by the BBC
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-27506545

RT again ran another story on Phillips in November 2018. I didn't get the idea that they were 'disavowing' him :shrug:
https://www.rt.com/uk/444579-graham-phillips-banned-twitter/

Those 2 links were from major news outlets, unlike yours. In fact the hit piece(not my words, have a read of the comments in the comment section) by Unherd journalist Tim Ogden gives us some insight into what's going on here.
What's Tim Ogden story? Well look at that, he's a British journalist based in?... Georgia! :laugh2:

Like I said above, most of the 'western' comments were saying stuff like this about Tim's article on Phillips
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This is an ugly hitpiece on a journalist



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Comparing Phillips to Lord Haw-Haw is a bit rich. How many have ever heard a Phillips video?



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This article is a disgraceful, ad hominem attack on someone who holds a different opinion to the author. It is not objective debate.



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Agreed this is sly and snide piece of “journalism”



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What a shit piece….from a wannabe liked student of state sanctioned propaganda



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What a disgusting piece of so-called journalism & bang in line with the woke attitudes of today



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This is truly a vile hit piece of an article that shames, a usually excellent Unherd. Tim Ogden’s poor use of English makes it doubly shameful for Unherd to allow him to publish under their name..




Straight up he creates a straw man and compares Phillips to William Joyce(who was hanged) and goes full tilt on the hyperbole, I'll underline the hysterical bits;
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As the parallels between Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and WWII abound, there is one figure who has escaped notice: 2022’s Lord Haw-Haw, otherwise known as William Joyce. The 1940s voice of anti-Western propaganda was Joyce, a committed American fascist who fled to Germany at the outbreak of World War II — his modern equivalent is Graham Phillips, a so-called journalist who has served as a Kremlin mouthpiece since Russia’s original hostilities against Ukraine in 2014.

Phillips’ history of actively promoting the Kremlin narrative has not been limited to fringe social media activity. He has worked for Russian state media, and clearly retains official links with the authorities: in the last week, he has been given access to British-born Ukrainian prisoners of war, interviewing them for his YouTube channel. The video has since been removed, but third-party clips remain online. It would, however, be inaccurate to describe his video of Ukrainian Marine/Nottingham native Aiden Aslin as an interview; willing interviewees, after all, are rarely in handcuffs. 

In the first of many inaccuracies, it begins with Phillips stating — and making his subject confirm — that Aslin is a mercenary. By definition, this is simply not true. As a citizen of Ukraine and an enlisted member of the country’s Armed Forces, Aslin is neither a mercenary nor a private military contractor.

This sets the tone of the proceedings. Aslin resignedly agrees with whatever predictable Kremlin propaganda Phillips espouses (‘I was on the wrong side’/’I was misled’), but Phillips remains petty enough to sharply correct any Ukrainian pronunciation of regional locales — hardly the conduct, one could reasonably surmise, of an independent journalist.

However, his conduct in the Aslin interrogation is simply the latest example of his eight years of servitude to Moscow, work which began after he moved to Ukraine following a visit to the country to watch a football match. Originally a blogger with a sleazy focus on sex and prostitution, he became affiliated with Russia Today during the 2014 Euromaidan revolution and the subsequent conflict between Russia and Ukraine.

His journalistic narratives have always been word-for-word translations of premium Kremlin propaganda, lent faux legitimacy by a middle-class English accent: Ukraine has been taken over by Nazis; Georgia is a fascist state and a NATO puppet that provoked Russia into war in 2008; Russia is a liberator defending oppressed minorities under attack by the West and their Eastern European allies.

https://unherd.com/thepost/meet-the-british-journalist-who-became-a-kremlin-mouthpiece/





Your second link, big deal, another hit piece(my words) with little substance and plenty of anti Kremlin hype and hyperbole.

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Phillips, who blew onto the international media scene 2 1/2 years ago with the start of hostilities in Ukraine, has made his name on social media and video-sharing sites for brash and sometimes foolhardy reporting around the front lines with pro-Moscow separatists.

He has worked for Russia's state broadcaster RT and its military channel Zvezda and toes the Kremlin line, alleging Kyiv's responsibility for the conflict and shaming its troops and accusing them of the "murder [of] civilians," as well as asserting Moscow's narrative that part of eastern Ukraine "is Novorossia and not Ukraine." He has routinely posed with separatist or Russian weapons in hand and in Russian military uniform, and even cheered separatists' tactical victories on the battlefield.

Phillips' critics call his war coverage mere Russia-sponsored theater with the aim of legitimizing Moscow's designs in Ukraine.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rferl.org/amp/ukraine-graham-graham-phillips-reporter-/28008922.html




I'm still waiting for you to point out anything dishonest from Graham Phillips in those 2 video's... because you can't  :super:  so I'll keep posting his relevant and newsworthy videos on Crimea demonstrating how the western media has fooled you until you can.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #28061175 - 11/20/22 06:29 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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China wisely sits on the sidelines.




China must be laughing their arse's off at this clown show, watching Europe destroy itself over the most corrupt country in Europe while the U.S. has simultaneously weakened the position of the greenback, increased their debt, depleted their own reserves of weapons and created a welfare state in Ukraine. What a gigantic dog fuck :laugh2:


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28061178 - 11/20/22 06:36 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Lets have a better look at your claims here.


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sudly said:

For the Messiah was a partaker of state sponsored propaganda, but we decree he has changed his stance, and is no longer affiliated with his history of Russian state sponsored propaganda, because he was so toxic RT had to disavow his statements.[quote/]

Nowhere in the links you provided is there anything about this claim of yours about RT "disavowing" him, so until you provide one I'm saying your claim is bullshit.
After his capture by Ukrainian SBU, Alexey Kuznetsov of RT had this to say;

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Russia Today said its repeated attempts to speak to representatives of the Ukrainian security service had been rebuffed.

It appealed to the British consulates in Russia and Ukraine, as well as to the UK Foreign Office, requesting their help with Mr Phillips's release.

Russia Today said he had called to tell them of his detention but they had since lost all contact with him.

The English language TV network claimed a source had told them Mr Phillips would be released if he deleted footage he had recorded near a roadblock.

Alexey Kuznetsov, deputy head of Russia Today's English department, said: "We still cannot get in touch with Graham, we are extremely worried what could happen to him."



This was reported by the BBC
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-27506545

RT again ran another story on Phillips in November 2018. I didn't get the idea that they were 'disavowing' him :shrug:
https://www.rt.com/uk/444579-graham-phillips-banned-twitter/

Those 2 links were from major news outlets, unlike yours. In fact the hit piece(not my words, have a read of the comments in the comment section) by Unherd journalist Tim Ogden gives us some insight into what's going on here.
What's Tim Ogden story? Well look at that, he's a British journalist based in?... Georgia! :laugh2:

Like I said above, most of the 'western' comments were saying stuff like this about Tim's article on Phillips
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This is an ugly hitpiece on a journalist



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Comparing Phillips to Lord Haw-Haw is a bit rich. How many have ever heard a Phillips video?



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This article is a disgraceful, ad hominem attack on someone who holds a different opinion to the author. It is not objective debate.



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Agreed this is sly and snide piece of “journalism”



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What a shit piece….from a wannabe liked student of state sanctioned propaganda



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What a disgusting piece of so-called journalism & bang in line with the woke attitudes of today



Quote:

This is truly a vile hit piece of an article that shames, a usually excellent Unherd. Tim Ogden’s poor use of English makes it doubly shameful for Unherd to allow him to publish under their name..




Straight up he creates a straw man and compares Phillips to William Joyce(who was hanged) and goes full tilt on the hyperbole, I'll underline the hysterical bits;
Quote:

As the parallels between Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and WWII abound, there is one figure who has escaped notice: 2022’s Lord Haw-Haw, otherwise known as William Joyce. The 1940s voice of anti-Western propaganda was Joyce, a committed American fascist who fled to Germany at the outbreak of World War II — his modern equivalent is Graham Phillips, a so-called journalist who has served as a Kremlin mouthpiece since Russia’s original hostilities against Ukraine in 2014.

Phillips’ history of actively promoting the Kremlin narrative has not been limited to fringe social media activity. He has worked for Russian state media, and clearly retains official links with the authorities: in the last week, he has been given access to British-born Ukrainian prisoners of war, interviewing them for his YouTube channel. The video has since been removed, but third-party clips remain online. It would, however, be inaccurate to describe his video of Ukrainian Marine/Nottingham native Aiden Aslin as an interview; willing interviewees, after all, are rarely in handcuffs. 

In the first of many inaccuracies, it begins with Phillips stating — and making his subject confirm — that Aslin is a mercenary. By definition, this is simply not true. As a citizen of Ukraine and an enlisted member of the country’s Armed Forces, Aslin is neither a mercenary nor a private military contractor.

This sets the tone of the proceedings. Aslin resignedly agrees with whatever predictable Kremlin propaganda Phillips espouses (‘I was on the wrong side’/’I was misled’), but Phillips remains petty enough to sharply correct any Ukrainian pronunciation of regional locales — hardly the conduct, one could reasonably surmise, of an independent journalist.

However, his conduct in the Aslin interrogation is simply the latest example of his eight years of servitude to Moscow, work which began after he moved to Ukraine following a visit to the country to watch a football match. Originally a blogger with a sleazy focus on sex and prostitution, he became affiliated with Russia Today during the 2014 Euromaidan revolution and the subsequent conflict between Russia and Ukraine.

His journalistic narratives have always been word-for-word translations of premium Kremlin propaganda, lent faux legitimacy by a middle-class English accent: Ukraine has been taken over by Nazis; Georgia is a fascist state and a NATO puppet that provoked Russia into war in 2008; Russia is a liberator defending oppressed minorities under attack by the West and their Eastern European allies.

https://unherd.com/thepost/meet-the-british-journalist-who-became-a-kremlin-mouthpiece/





Your second link, big deal, another hit piece(my words) with little substance and plenty of anti Kremlin hype and hyperbole.

Quote:

Phillips, who blew onto the international media scene 2 1/2 years ago with the start of hostilities in Ukraine, has made his name on social media and video-sharing sites for brash and sometimes foolhardy reporting around the front lines with pro-Moscow separatists.

He has worked for Russia's state broadcaster RT and its military channel Zvezda and toes the Kremlin line, alleging Kyiv's responsibility for the conflict and shaming its troops and accusing them of the "murder [of] civilians," as well as asserting Moscow's narrative that part of eastern Ukraine "is Novorossia and not Ukraine." He has routinely posed with separatist or Russian weapons in hand and in Russian military uniform, and even cheered separatists' tactical victories on the battlefield.

Phillips' critics call his war coverage mere Russia-sponsored theater with the aim of legitimizing Moscow's designs in Ukraine.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rferl.org/amp/ukraine-graham-graham-phillips-reporter-/28008922.html




I'm still waiting for you to point out anything dishonest from Graham Phillips in those 2 video's... because you can't  :super:  so I'll keep posting his relevant and newsworthy videos on Crimea demonstrating how the western media has fooled you until you can.




This is a reply to sudly; couldn't find his original post.
I had to look up Tim Ogden to make sure I was thinking of the right Georgia.
Will check him out. It's a subscription site but 15 articles per month are free.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
    #28061191 - 11/20/22 06:48 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Enlil said:
The only way we can give those videos any value whatsoever is if he is a trustworthy source.  He isn't.  That's been clearly established.



That hasn't been established at all.  Writing for RT doesn't make one an untrustworthy source.



Being state sponsored
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Polls that are carried out in questionable conditions. In an area that is actively occupied by a foreign aggressor. The same foreign aggressor that has, in the past, paid the reporter in question.

No shit his interviews line up with the party line. If they didn't, he wouldn't be there.



It's a cute game they play. You can't believe the mainstream media because they get their info from the government. But if Russia's government is directly giving people the news they're somehow trustworthy.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Sulfurshelfsean] * 1
    #28061242 - 11/20/22 07:35 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Are we back to that fucking video?  :rofl2:
The "MSM" has a whole shit load more credibility than the Russian news.  As I posted a link to earlier, Russia gives not only the story, but the intent, the words to use and the audience to target it to, to their "news" sources.  That is propaganda. Maybe the dingbats, liars, misrepresters and autocrat waterboys here think "MSM" is propaganda, but it's not.  When they stop posting stories actively about government corruption, malfeasance and wrongdoing that end careers, then we can say they are propaganda.  Since that is still going on, they are still above board. 

Of course all news should be looked at with a critical eye.  That is what falcon and stable lack.  An ability to look anything critically.

Falcon, I hate to tell you bud, but your white knighting of Russia is laughable.  You are not "just correcting false reporting" or whatever line you tell to try to retain some sense of objectivity.  It is apparent to everyone that you support torture, you support extrajudicial killing, you support disappearing people, you support propaganda, you support war, and that you support, uncritically and most lovingly, Mother Russia.  We have already established the liar in this thread is you, you have no credibility.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #28061303 - 11/20/22 08:23 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Enlil said:
A failure to report negative information about russia and putin while reporting negative information about other nations is "a lack of truth," "unfair," and "deceptive." 



:ohyou:



So when I show you that it is dishonest by definition, all you have is a gif...


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #28061321 - 11/20/22 08:47 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Brian Jones said:
China wisely sits on the sidelines.




China must be laughing their arse's off at this clown show, watching Europe destroy itself over the most corrupt country in Europe while the U.S. has simultaneously weakened the position of the greenback, increased their debt, depleted their own reserves of weapons and created a welfare state in Ukraine. What a gigantic dog fuck :laugh2:





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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28061331 - 11/20/22 09:01 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Brian Jones said:
China wisely sits on the sidelines.




China must be laughing their arse's off at this clown show, watching Europe destroy itself over the most corrupt country in Europe while the U.S. has simultaneously weakened the position of the greenback, increased their debt, depleted their own reserves of weapons and created a welfare state in Ukraine. What a gigantic dog fuck :laugh2:




That is not factual. The US dollar has increased in its position. It is up over 17% compared to other currencies.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28061370 - 11/20/22 09:34 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Stable Genius said:
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Brian Jones said:
China wisely sits on the sidelines.




China must be laughing their arse's off at this clown show, watching Europe destroy itself over the most corrupt country in Europe while the U.S. has simultaneously weakened the position of the greenback, increased their debt, depleted their own reserves of weapons and created a welfare state in Ukraine. What a gigantic dog fuck :laugh2:




That is not factual. The US dollar has increased in its position. It is up over 17% compared to other currencies.




The funny part is it's more than not factual, it's just wrong.  China has worked for years to keep their currency artificially low against the dollar.  So why would they be laughing that the dollar has depreciated against the Chinese yuan.  It's inaccuracies like these that makes it impossible to give weight to anything posted by stable genius. The dude just has no clue about anything.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Ice9]
    #28061419 - 11/20/22 10:03 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

It’s really not in anybody’s, even the Chinese, best interest for the dollar to lose value. When things destabilize everyone loses, and there’s currently no mechanism in place to replace the Bretton woods regime, so.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28061438 - 11/20/22 10:18 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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It’s really not in anybody’s, even the Chinese, best interest for the dollar to lose value. When things destabilize everyone loses, and there’s currently no mechanism in place to replace the Bretton woods regime, so.




Not "even the Chinese" should read especially the Chinese.  Considering their economy has a heavy reliance on export, of which the US is the main consumer.  A strong dollar keeps Chinese products cheap for US consumers, a weak dollar means manufacturing at home or other sources become more desirable.  Also, weak dollar means lower demand for foreign products.  This is basic ass economic understanding, but it seems to elude some members here.

This is why China has for many many years been accused of artificially devaluing their currency.  This was the main rationale behind the Trump tariffs.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Ice9] * 2
    #28061505 - 11/20/22 11:01 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

After NAFTA and other free trade agreements I think the average American just sees any trade with another nation as a zero sum game between the two. China stole all our manufacturing jobs therefore they’re siphoning some “the economy” away from us, etc, not internalizing that our own corporations sent those jobs over there to increase their own profit margins, or that they still need to sell the products to us if they want to make as much off the sale. The dynamic is about 10 layers deeper than most people want to consider. All we know is that as our economy got worse, China’s got better. Pretty easy to spin a lie based on that simple fact.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28061584 - 11/20/22 11:53 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I'm not sure what you are getting at.  China's economy has largely moved in lock step with the US economy.  And when it did diverge, it was due entirely to the US housing crisis.  Starting mid 2010s the Chinese economic growth began to slow down, while the US economy growth was accelerating.  Covid-19 disrupted these trends. You call it a simple fact the China's economy got better when the US got worse, this applies to the 2008 US crisis, but around 2018 was exactly the opposite.  :shrug:. Outside of these two events, the economies have been fairly well synchronized.

Note: based on %gdp growth.


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    #28061606 - 11/20/22 12:04 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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I'm not sure what you are getting at. 



He's getting at the common perception of the basic american-public dumb folk.


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    #28061621 - 11/20/22 12:11 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Ice9 said:
I'm not sure what you are getting at. 



He's getting at the common perception of the basic american-public dumb folk.



Maybe, while making those same mistakes.  Seems a weird stance to take when he seemingly doesn't know any better either.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Ice9]
    #28061759 - 11/20/22 01:49 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Ice9 said:
I'm not sure what you are getting at.  China's economy has largely moved in lock step with the US economy.  And when it did diverge, it was due entirely to the US housing crisis.  Starting mid 2010s the Chinese economic growth began to slow down, while the US economy growth was accelerating.  Covid-19 disrupted these trends. You call it a simple fact the China's economy got better when the US got worse, this applies to the 2008 US crisis, but around 2018 was exactly the opposite.  :shrug:. Outside of these two events, the economies have been fairly well synchronized.

Note: based on %gdp growth.




I was just using that “observation” as an example of what the average person thinks regarding our economic relationship with China.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #28061819 - 11/20/22 02:24 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Ahh, my bad.  I thought those were your observations, not you saying that's how people think the relationship is.
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