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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #28060585 - 11/19/22 07:06 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Polls that are carried out in questionable conditions. In an area that is actively occupied by a foreign aggressor. The same foreign aggressor that has, in the past, paid the reporter in question.

No shit his interviews line up with the party line. If they didn't, he wouldn't be there.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
    #28060643 - 11/19/22 07:46 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Occupied by a foreign aggressor! ooooooo sounds menacing  :awesketch:

Did they drive up from the military base they were renting after the Parliament voted to join Russia? or were they parachuted in to menace anyone who resisted!?  :flowstone:


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28060701 - 11/19/22 08:29 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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sudly said:
You are dead on your hill my friend.

Graham has retained the Overton window he had as a Russian state sponsored propagandist.




lol you haven't been able to find anything dishonest in those videos I posted that constitutes state sponsored propaganda :laugh2:

Here, let Graham Phillips show you what true state sponsored propaganda looks like with the BBC's hit piece on Moscow where he points out the dishonesty easily.






Graham Phillips, the author of the videos, is dishonest.



If an Overton window doesn't make sense to someone, that's not on me. :shrug:


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: sudly] * 1
    #28060800 - 11/19/22 09:35 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Pfft, when's the last time you saw a balanced report on Ukraine and the events that led to this in ANY of the media here in Aus?

Your idea of State sponsored media is blinkered to fit your narrative. You haven't been able to disprove one single thing in the Graham Phillips video's I posted yet we've debunked story after story after story that the Ukrainian regime has spoon fed western media and 'believers' like yourself don't question, you'd rather shoot the messenger.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28060822 - 11/19/22 09:56 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Pfft, when's the last time you saw a balanced report on Ukraine and the events that led to this in ANY of the media here in Aus?

Your idea of State sponsored media is blinkered to fit your narrative. You haven't been able to disprove one single thing in the Graham Phillips video's I posted yet we've debunked story after story after story that the Ukrainian regime has spoon fed western media and 'believers' like yourself don't question, you'd rather shoot the messenger.




I have disproven the legitimacy of Graham Phillips, and that point has once again gone over you. 

A balanced report? What do you mean by that?

Because a neutrality bias is providing a platform to disproven ideas and presenting them as equally honorable to ones that actually do have substantial backing and evidence.

You don't just hear both sides and leave it at that. We can have a discussion about the narrative that each side has on the issue, and once both narratives have been provided it's okay to reject the false one because to not do that is to uphold a neutrality bias and hold equal platform to both narratives.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kwyjibo]
    #28060993 - 11/20/22 12:39 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Since we've established that he was a propaganda agent for Russia, you cant assume that after he moved on, he suddenly became objective.



You haven't shown he wasn't objective while working for RT.

You can't find any examples of RT.com lying, yet you believe anyone working for them can't be objective.  :flowstone:



Stop claiming nobody has found any lies from RT, someone gave you a whole list of lies from RT that you never responded to.

Before you ask, you know exactly what I'm talking about, look it up yourself.



:whathesaid:



I saw the list, but none of those were shown to be lies.  Here is a discussion about one, for example.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Ice9] * 1
    #28060999 - 11/20/22 12:44 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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has always portrayed Russia favorably, he will always portray Russia favorably.  No different than Falcon or Stable, no matter their claims of unbiased or what have you, they will twist anything to portray Russia in a favorable light.  War crimes? Torture? Disappearing opposition?  Killing dissenters?  ALL OK TO THESE CLOWNS
:melt:



No, war crimes, torture, and disappearing opposition are not ok.  Lying about them is not ok either.  It often appears that I'm defending Russia, Syria, or Iran by exposing lies told about them, but that doen't mean I like those countries, just that I think we should tell the truth about them.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
    #28061000 - 11/20/22 12:47 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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A failure to report negative information about russia and putin while reporting negative information about other nations is "a lack of truth," "unfair," and "deceptive." 



:ohyou:


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #28061002 - 11/20/22 12:52 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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The only way we can give those videos any value whatsoever is if he is a trustworthy source.  He isn't.  That's been clearly established.



That hasn't been established at all.  Writing for RT doesn't make one an untrustworthy source.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28061006 - 11/20/22 12:55 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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I saw the list, but none of those were shown to be lies.  Here is a discussion about one, for example.



That's one example and just because you discussed it doesn't mean you proved it wasn't a lie and what about the rest of the list?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #28061011 - 11/20/22 01:01 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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You have no reason to assume that he isn't excluding things that don't support his agenda.



How do you know his agenda wasn't the truth, and that it just so happened RT.com was telling the truth?

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If, however, you want to prove a point here...you're going to need either better sources or proof that does not rely on the credibility of the source.



Same with any news.  You seem to believe whatever the Government wants you to believe.  :shrug:


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
    #28061013 - 11/20/22 01:02 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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The fact that someone has, at any point, worked for a state sponsored media company usually means that they have opinions that align with those of the state. Same with all journalists, really. If they work for the NYT, they have opinions that align with the editors of the NYT. If they work for WaPo, they have opinions that align with the editors of WaPo and Bezos. If their opinions did not align with those of their superiors, they would not have gotten the job.



Exactly.  :thumbup:


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #28061014 - 11/20/22 01:06 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Occupied by a foreign aggressor! ooooooo sounds menacing  :awesketch:



I was just about to say the same.  What if the people there were telling the truth about Russia being a defender and not an aggressor?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: sudly] * 1
    #28061019 - 11/20/22 01:10 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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I have disproven the legitimacy of Graham Phillips, and that point has once again gone over you. 



I agree with Stable Genius.  Just because you and Enlil call him dishonest doesn't prove a thing.

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Because a neutrality bias is providing a platform to disproven ideas and presenting them as equally honorable to ones that actually do have substantial backing and evidence.

You don't just hear both sides and leave it at that. We can have a discussion about the narrative that each side has on the issue, and once both narratives have been provided it's okay to reject the false one because to not do that is to uphold a neutrality bias and hold equal platform to both narratives.



How do you determine which side of the narrative is the false one?  You haven't done that.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kwyjibo] * 1
    #28061020 - 11/20/22 01:12 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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...what about the rest of the list?



It's all the same.  Once you dig into it, none of them turn out to be lies.  Don't believe me?  Pick your favorite lie from RT and let's have a discussion about it.

By the way, I've never claimed RT has never lied.  I claimed no one here has ever found an example of it.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28061031 - 11/20/22 01:22 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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...what about the rest of the list?



It's all the same.  Once you dig into it, none of them turn out to be lies.  Don't believe me?  Pick your favorite lie from RT and let's have a discussion about it.




My favorite lie? You were given a list already that you haven't disproven, why do you keep avoiding those? You said you dug into it? Let's see your evidence.

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By the way, I've never claimed RT has never lied.  I claimed no one here has ever found an example of it.



Considering you still haven't gotten through the list you've been given you can't honestly say that. Stop lying.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kwyjibo] * 1
    #28061036 - 11/20/22 01:35 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

In a lot of cases, if a journalist works for a company they have to stay within the bounds of the opinions of their advertisers.

For legacy media it is that healthcare is not a right, pharmaceuticals need to be price gouged, donations aren't bribery, there's always money for expanding the military, tax cuts for the richest among us will trickle down, de-regulation is always good etc.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28061043 - 11/20/22 01:45 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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I have disproven the legitimacy of Graham Phillips, and that point has once again gone over you. 



I agree with Stable Genius.  Just because you and Enlil call him dishonest doesn't prove a thing.




What do you think I called Graham Phillips, and why did I call him what I did?

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Because a neutrality bias is providing a platform to disproven ideas and presenting them as equally honorable to ones that actually do have substantial backing and evidence.

You don't just hear both sides and leave it at that. We can have a discussion about the narrative that each side has on the issue, and once both narratives have been provided it's okay to reject the false one because to not do that is to uphold a neutrality bias and hold equal platform to both narratives.



How do you determine which side of the narrative is the false one?  You haven't done that.




Generally there is a lot of context and nuance that limits the interpretations, often there is hard evidence and recorded historical activities of those parties involved.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: sudly]
    #28061056 - 11/20/22 02:23 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Make Love not war brothers


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kazok4000]
    #28061074 - 11/20/22 02:43 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Make Love not war brothers





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