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Stable Genius said: ‘Has’ worked correct, and the 2video’s posted provide a balanced report from the Crimeans, without receiving any payment from any Russian source (as far as I’m aware) and regardless of his own views, ooops, his fucking Overton window.
You think he's become a different person in the interim? Do you have evidence that he has? Since we've established that he was a propaganda agent for Russia, you cant assume that after he moved on, he suddenly became objective.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil] 1
#28058987 - 11/18/22 08:03 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Since we've established that he was a propaganda agent for Russia, you cant assume that after he moved on, he suddenly became objective.
You haven't shown he wasn't objective while working for RT.
You can't find any examples of RT.com lying, yet you believe anyone working for them can't be objective.
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It doesn't matter. You've admitted that they do not publish anything that is critical of Russia or Putin. That, by definition, makes it dishonest and not objective.
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Enlil said: Since we've established that he was a propaganda agent for Russia, you cant assume that after he moved on, he suddenly became objective.
You haven't shown he wasn't objective while working for RT.
You can't find any examples of RT.com lying, yet you believe anyone working for them can't be objective. 
Stop claiming nobody has found any lies from RT, someone gave you a whole list of lies from RT that you never responded to.
Before you ask, you know exactly what I'm talking about, look it up yourself.
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People keep bringing up these fucktard videos. Do you know how videos work? I can go out and interview a few dozen people on literally any topic in the world, and with a little light editing, show only clips of people that support whatever fucking narrative I want. Videos of that nature do NOT constitute a valid poll any more than Falcons 50 person survey. It's fucking meaningless and you damn knobs keep going on and on about it. The dude who made that video is a well known propagandist for Russia. He has always portrayed Russia favorably, he will always portray Russia favorably. No different than Falcon or Stable, no matter their claims of unbiased or what have you, they will twist anything to portray Russia in a favorable light. War crimes? Torture? Disappearing opposition? Killing dissenters? ALL OK TO THESE CLOWNS
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
#28059318 - 11/18/22 11:29 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: It doesn't matter. You've admitted that they do not publish anything that is critical of Russia or Putin. That, by definition, makes it dishonest and not objective.
It makes it dishonest by definition?

Let's see where you found this definition.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Ice9]
#28059358 - 11/19/22 12:38 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Ice9 said: People keep bringing up these fucktard videos. Do you know how videos work? I can go out and interview a few dozen people on literally any topic in the world, and with a little light editing, show only clips of people that support whatever fucking narrative I want. Videos of that nature do NOT constitute a valid poll any more than Falcons 50 person survey. It's fucking meaningless and you damn knobs keep going on and on about it. The dude who made that video is a well known propagandist for Russia. He has always portrayed Russia favorably, he will always portray Russia favorably. No different than Falcon or Stable, no matter their claims of unbiased or what have you, they will twist anything to portray Russia in a favorable light. War crimes? Torture? Disappearing opposition? Killing dissenters? ALL OK TO THESE CLOWNS

Beat me to it.
Also, sudly, did you just read an article on the Overton Window or something? Damn bro.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kryptos] 1
#28059361 - 11/19/22 12:41 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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As a Russian propagandist, falcon should probably stay away from all windows
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
#28059471 - 11/19/22 05:10 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Do go on.
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Enlil said: It doesn't matter. You've admitted that they do not publish anything that is critical of Russia or Putin. That, by definition, makes it dishonest and not objective.
It makes it dishonest by definition?

Let's see where you found this definition. 
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dishonest adjective dis·hon·est (ˌ)dis-ˈä-nəst also (ˌ)diz- 1 obsolete : SHAMEFUL, UNCHASTE 2: characterized by lack of truth, honesty, or trustworthiness : UNFAIR, DECEPTIVE
A failure to report negative information about russia and putin while reporting negative information about other nations is "a lack of truth," "unfair," and "deceptive."
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kwyjibo]
#28059744 - 11/19/22 09:17 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Since we've established that he was a propaganda agent for Russia, you cant assume that after he moved on, he suddenly became objective.
You haven't shown he wasn't objective while working for RT.
You can't find any examples of RT.com lying, yet you believe anyone working for them can't be objective. 
Stop claiming nobody has found any lies from RT, someone gave you a whole list of lies from RT that you never responded to.
Before you ask, you know exactly what I'm talking about, look it up yourself.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: sudly] 1
#28060486 - 11/19/22 05:50 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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sudly said: You are dead on your hill my friend.
Graham has retained the Overton window he had as a Russian state sponsored propagandist.
lol you haven't been able to find anything dishonest in those videos I posted that constitutes state sponsored propaganda 
Here, let Graham Phillips show you what true state sponsored propaganda looks like with the BBC's hit piece on Moscow where he points out the dishonesty easily.
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sudly said: You are dead on your hill my friend.
Graham has retained the Overton window he had as a Russian state sponsored propagandist.
lol you haven't been able to find anything dishonest in those videos I posted that constitutes state sponsored propaganda 
You haven't been paying attention. Those videos could be completely dishonest and we'd never know. He may have interviewed 1000 people and only showed the few who were pro-russia. We will never know. The only way we can give those videos any value whatsoever is if he is a trustworthy source. He isn't. That's been clearly established.
As a result, we have to presume that the videos are just propaganda and give them no credibility or weight.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
#28060492 - 11/19/22 05:57 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Even if he includes the interviews which go against his own narrative?
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius] 1
#28060494 - 11/19/22 05:59 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Of course. Mixing in a little truth with lies has been a well-used technique for a long time. Glad to see you admitting that he has a narrative, though. That's progress.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: sudly]
#28060499 - 11/19/22 06:02 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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sudly said: Do go on.
I think he means you look like a knobhead that's just learnt a new term of reference and are using it to big note yourself. I may be wrong.
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#28060509 - 11/19/22 06:09 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Of course. Mixing in a little truth with lies has been a well-used technique for a long time. Glad to see you admitting that he has a narrative, though. That's progress.
Yes but your idea of his narrative is guaranteed different to my idea of the narrative he's putting across, and that is, his portrayal of western media being used as a political tool. He points it out well
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius] 2
#28060521 - 11/19/22 06:22 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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He has an agenda. You know this. You have no reason to assume that he isn't excluding things that don't support his agenda. In truth, you have no way of knowing if he's literally staging interviews. He's a man with a pro-russian agenda.
If I showed you a video with a BP executive wherein he shows how sea creatures in the gulf are thriving since the oil spill, would you just take it at face value? I doubt you would. He has an agenda. Whatever he says is suspect. He's not neutral.
Similarly Phillips isn't neutral. He has made his living for a decade selling a pro-russian agenda. In those videos, he might be 100% honest, but we certainly can't assume that. It's not like he's doing anything that couldn't be easily faked with minimal effort and budget.
Of course, you are free to believe whatever you see on the internet. If, however, you want to prove a point here...you're going to need either better sources or proof that does not rely on the credibility of the source.
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Little bit of that, little bit of occasionally using it incorrectly. People don't have Overton windows, governments don't have overtone windows, organizations don't have overton windows. Only populations have an Overton window. Everything else is called a bias or an opinion.
Otherwise, I broadly agree with you. The fact that someone has, at any point, worked for a state sponsored media company usually means that they have opinions that align with those of the state. Same with all journalists, really. If they work for the NYT, they have opinions that align with the editors of the NYT. If they work for WaPo, they have opinions that align with the editors of WaPo and Bezos. If their opinions did not align with those of their superiors, they would not have gotten the job.
Or they have opinions that are quite flexible and are extremely skilled at reading people. But I don't see that very often in journalism. Usually, that only works a few times before you lose all credibility.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
#28060544 - 11/19/22 06:35 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: If, however, you want to prove a point here...you're going to need either better sources or proof that does not rely on the credibility of the source.
Of course he could be lying, putting his own twist on things, however his interviews line up with the polls conducted with the residents of the regions. I'll leave it at that.
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