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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: nooneman]
    #28058833 - 11/18/22 06:56 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I just took a look at RT and this is the top headline, lol.

https://www.rt.com/russia/566776-kiev-soldiers-kill-russian-captives/

We've seen the whole video and they dance around how it "purports" to show one of the "supposed" Russian soldiers opening fire under the white flag of surrender.
Also claiming it is "unclear" how this episode was linked to what happened to the Russians next.

Pretty fucking deceitful. We saw exactly what happened.
Dude got himself and all his buddies killed with his perfidy.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
    #28058882 - 11/18/22 07:16 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Fox corporation owns fox, and for legacy media, the Overton window is clear.

Legacy media is fox, CNN, MSNBC etc.

John Oliver isn't legacy media.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: sudly]
    #28058883 - 11/18/22 07:17 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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sudly said:
You don't know what an Overton window is.

You've avoided my question like the plague.

Because if you don't know what an Overton window is, you don't understand why Graham Phillips is still responsible for state sponsored propaganda and that's that.

You've died on your hill.




I gave you my interpretation of Overton’s window !!


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: sudly]
    #28058886 - 11/18/22 07:19 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Enlil said:
Ask and you will recieve.

From fox:

https://www.fox29.com/news/bezos-musk-among-the-rich-who-paid-little-to-no-income-taxes-propublica-reports

From MSNBC:

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/america-s-billionaire-tax-plan-why-congress-still-isn-t-n1284600



Thank you.  :thumbup:

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sudly said:
Fox and MSNBC suck corporate shlong every day and fight vigilantly to prop the view that lower corporate taxes are good, corporate socialism alone is good, that wealth will trickle down, and that tax loop holes can't be regulated, if they cover it at all.

Legacy media vehemently love corporate tax cuts. FOX moreso, but they are not alone.



At least we agree on this.  :toast:


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: sudly]
    #28058889 - 11/18/22 07:20 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Why would he have to shift his Overton window?  He believed the locals before, and he continues to believe them now, while you clearly believe whatever the Western Governments feed you (who you say have an absolute agenda).  :shrug:



Do you think he shifted his Overton window from when he worked as a state sponsored Russian propagandist?

It sounds like you're saying no.



Correct, I am saying no.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28058892 - 11/18/22 07:21 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Stable Genius said:
Quote:

sudly said:
You don't know what an Overton window is.

You've avoided my question like the plague.

Because if you don't know what an Overton window is, you don't understand why Graham Phillips is still responsible for state sponsored propaganda and that's that.

You've died on your hill.




I gave you my interpretation of Overton’s window !!




State sponsored propaganda has its own Overton window, the limits of how its viewpoints are framed.

Graham Phillips hasn't shifted the Overton window. He has maintained it in line with Russian state media.

Comrad, you have died on your hill.

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Stable Genius said: If that is a range of opinion from one end of the spectrum to the other who cares what you call it? The interviews were honest, factual, on the ground reporting and like I said if there's some element of dishonesty in those videos point it out!!, instead of dishonestly avoiding the question and blabbering on about state sponsored anecdotal propaganda shifting the Overton window. Jesus!




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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: sudly]
    #28058893 - 11/18/22 07:21 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

State sponsored?… with no sponsorship, right.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28058898 - 11/18/22 07:22 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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sudly said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Why would he have to shift his Overton window?  He believed the locals before, and he continues to believe them now, while you clearly believe whatever the Western Governments feed you (who you say have an absolute agenda).  :shrug:



Do you think he shifted his Overton window from when he worked as a state sponsored Russian propagandist?

It sounds like you're saying no.



Correct, I am saying no.




Okay, thanks.

Then you agree, Graham Phillips hasn't shifted the Overton window from his time with Russian state media. He has maintained it in line with Russian state media.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28058905 - 11/18/22 07:24 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Enlil said:
You would think not, but it happens all the time.  Hell, John Oliver literally every week for years bashed AT&T and they owned the fucking network.



I love when he bashes atnt. Fucking hilarious
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Stable Genius said:
State sponsored?… with no sponsorship, right.



He doesn't need a direct line of cash from the govt to benefit from towing their line.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: sudly] * 1
    #28058914 - 11/18/22 07:27 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Comrad, you have died on your hill.





And you’ve provided no evidence to show those 2 videos from Graham Phillips’ interviews are
1. State sponsored
2. or false in any way


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28058918 - 11/18/22 07:28 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Stable Genius said:
State sponsored?… with no sponsorship, right.




He worked for state sponsored media, and did not shift the Overton window he has worked with.

Quote:

Infamous British blogger Graham Phillips, who has concocted numerous pro-Kremlin reports for Russian propaganda media outlets — particularly for RT and Russia’s military outlet Zvezda  — in eastern Ukraine, has been awarded a medal in the city of Chekhov near Moscow by Russia’s Border Guard, a branch of the FSB (Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation, main successor to the KGB)

The award was presented by a former KGB Border Guard soldier and Afghan veteran Pavel Hlyupin, who has various business interests in pro-Kremlin media, and is a publicly elected official of Chekhov. He has also been accused of making illegal border crossings from Russia into East Ukraine and assisting Russian-backed forces fighting the Ukrainian government.

Phillips being rewarded for producing Pro-Kremlin propaganda by a branch of Russia’s FSB, much of which has lately been for a media arm of Russia’s military, Zvezda — is clearly significant, especially since Russia’s MoD has publicly announced recently that Russian media are regarded as military assets, and its reporters are ‘weaponized’.

https://www.stopfake.org/en/british-citizen-exposed-as-a-tool-of-russia-s-fsb/





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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: sudly] * 1
    #28058926 - 11/18/22 07:31 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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You follow the tried and true method of ignore, dismiss and straw man.

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Graham Phillips accused of:

Active participation in propaganda projects of the Putin regime, justification of terrorism, participation in illegal armed groups in Eastern Ukraine, misuse of a journalist status, production of fake news, numerous provocations in Ukraine, Russia and the EU.

In early March 2014, he went to cover the “status referendum” in Crimea. As an RT streamer and a YouTube blogger, he repeatedly called the Ukrainian side “fascists” and “Kyiv junta” which coincided with the points of the Russian state media. A month later, Phillips went to Donbas on an assignment from RT to cover the invasion of pro-Russian armed forces from a point of view complementary to the Kremlin. OFCOM, the UK broadcast regulator, found him guilty of biased coverage of the Ukrainian crisis. Some of his actions were too provocative even for RT. In May 2014, he lied that Ukrainian soldiers shot at him. The video he produced turned out to be such a poor fabrication that RT had to disavow the statements of its freelancer.

https://www.spisok-putina.org/en/personas/phillips/






That's the same crap they say about anyone willing to listen to the other side.  I've been called a Russia lover and Putin employee countless times only because I'm so interested with what's actually going on that I went to Crimea in 2017.  Most people who travel to East Ukraine walk away with similar conclusions - that the people there really like Russia.  But of course, anyone willing to go to East Ukraine to look at the situation is a Putin propagandist.  The people to listen to are the ones that stay home and repeat Western propaganda!


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28058929 - 11/18/22 07:32 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

sudly said:
Comrad, you have died on your hill.





And you’ve provided no evidence to show those 2 videos from Graham Phillips’ interviews are
1. State sponsored
2. or false in any way




I have provided plenty to show that Graham Phillips has worked as a Russian state sponsored propagandist, and that his Overton window has not shifted since his time as a Russian state sponsored propagandist.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: sudly] * 1
    #28058936 - 11/18/22 07:39 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

‘Has’ worked correct, and the 2video’s posted provide a balanced report from the Crimeans, without receiving any payment from any Russian source (as far as I’m aware) and regardless of his own views, ooops, his fucking Overton window.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: sudly] * 1
    #28058941 - 11/18/22 07:40 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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State sponsored propaganda has its own Overton window, the limits of how its viewpoints are framed.

Graham Phillips hasn't shifted the Overton window. He has maintained it in line with Russian state media.

Comrad, you have died on your hill.



He hasn't shifted his window because he and many others who have been to Eastern Ukraine believe the territory is mainly pro-Russian, whether state sponsored media agrees with this or not.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: nooneman] * 2
    #28058954 - 11/18/22 07:43 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

you know what's lame about this war? no cool music....

Vietnam was our last real big proxy war with Russia right? Think about all the bad ass awesome war / anti-war music that was made during that time! right now we got what? nothing! what a fucking shame...


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: sudly]
    #28058955 - 11/18/22 07:43 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Okay, thanks.

Then you agree, Graham Phillips hasn't shifted the Overton window from his time with Russian state media. He has maintained it in line with Russian state media.



That's right.  Because Russian state media is correct about the views of the people in Eastern Ukraine.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28058970 - 11/18/22 07:49 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

The way a subject is framed is important, and if the context fits, the interpretations are limited.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28058971 - 11/18/22 07:50 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Stable Genius said:
‘Has’ worked correct, and the 2video’s posted provide a balanced report from the Crimeans, without receiving any payment from any Russian source (as far as I’m aware) and regardless of his own views, ooops, his fucking Overton window.




You are dead on your hill my friend.

Graham has retained the Overton window he had as a Russian state sponsored propagandist.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28058973 - 11/18/22 07:52 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

sudly said:
Okay, thanks.

Then you agree, Graham Phillips hasn't shifted the Overton window from his time with Russian state media. He has maintained it in line with Russian state media.



That's right.  Because Russian state media is correct about the views of the people in Eastern Ukraine.




Thank you again.

You agree that Graham Phillips maintains the Overton window he had as a Russian state media propagandist.

I'm glad we can be clear on this.


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