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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28057963 - 11/18/22 09:52 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

So you're claiming that the U.S. government pays people to report news?  Any source for this?  Or did you just make that up?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #28057978 - 11/18/22 09:59 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

No.  I'm claiming if getting paid to report news makes you a propagandist, then all news is propaganda.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28057988 - 11/18/22 10:02 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

No one said that getting paid makes one a propagandist.  Getting paid by a government does, though.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #28057990 - 11/18/22 10:04 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Says who, you?

Why does it matter who pays you to voice your opinion?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #28057994 - 11/18/22 10:05 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

this thread is worse than the syrian refugee thread, lmao.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28057995 - 11/18/22 10:06 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Says who, you?

Why does it matter who pays you to voice your opinion?




Maybe because he who pays the piper calls the tune?

I know you aren't this naive.

Is Voice of America propaganda?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
    #28057997 - 11/18/22 10:07 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Are you seriously asking this?  Or are you trolling?  When the government hires someone to "voice an opinion," they choose people who are going to voice an opinion favorable to the government.  This isn't news.  When you see a celebrity on a commercial, do you ever wonder why they always seem to like the product being discussed in the commercial?

Of course you don't.  That's because you are smart enough to know that companies hire spokespeople who either 1) already endorse the product, or 2) are willing to say that they like the product in exchange for money.

Same goes for government spokespersons.  The government doesn't just hire any rando and say, "tell the people your sincere thoughts."  They either choose someone who is pro-government or someone who is willing to say what the government wants them to say.

I don't know why this shit isn't obvious to you.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
    #28058001 - 11/18/22 10:09 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Obviously it is


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28058015 - 11/18/22 10:26 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Maybe because he who pays the piper calls the tune?

I know you aren't this naive.



You should read this post.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28058022 - 11/18/22 10:29 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Wow employee of state owned network says state owned network is better


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
    #28058023 - 11/18/22 10:29 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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When the government hires someone to "voice an opinion," they choose people who are going to voice an opinion favorable to the government.



And when the mainstream media hires someone to "voice and opinion", they do the same.

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I don't know why this shit isn't obvious to you.



It is obvious, but I don't know why you think private companies let people say whatever they want on their networks.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28058059 - 11/18/22 10:57 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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When the government hires someone to "voice an opinion," they choose people who are going to voice an opinion favorable to the government.



And when the mainstream media hires someone to "voice and opinion", they do the same.

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I don't know why this shit isn't obvious to you.



It is obvious, but I don't know why you think private companies let people say whatever they want on their networks.



Private companies aren't the government.  Have you gone so far down the rabbit hole that you can't differentiate between government propaganda and private media? 

Let me help you:  RT is owned by the government.  It is government propaganda.  NBC is not owned by the government.  It is not government propaganda.

Whatever bias a particular network or outlet may have, it is not propaganda unless it is controlled by a government.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
    #28058094 - 11/18/22 11:27 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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That happens every day in Russia.  I watch stuff like that all the time.



I don't doubt it, considering that was a parody and the subtitles were intended for humor.



You're saying koods posted fake news again?  :smirk:


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
    #28058096 - 11/18/22 11:30 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Private companies aren't the government.  Have you gone so far down the rabbit hole that you can't differentiate between government propaganda and private media? 

Let me help you:  RT is owned by the government.  It is government propaganda.  NBC is not owned by the government.  It is not government propaganda.



I see you added the word "government" in front of the word propaganda to change the argument.

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Whatever bias a particular network or outlet may have, it is not propaganda unless it is controlled by a government.



Says who?  You?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28058112 - 11/18/22 11:45 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Says who, you?

Why does it matter who pays you to voice your opinion?




This is a very silly question you have asked here. A very very silly question.

State sponsored propaganda, vs generic legacy media propaganda.

Phillips is an experienced Russian state propagandist. This is undeniable.

All you can really try to say is that he changed his ways.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28058117 - 11/18/22 11:48 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Private companies aren't the government.  Have you gone so far down the rabbit hole that you can't differentiate between government propaganda and private media? 

Let me help you:  RT is owned by the government.  It is government propaganda.  NBC is not owned by the government.  It is not government propaganda.



I see you added the word "government" in front of the word propaganda to change the argument.

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Whatever bias a particular network or outlet may have, it is not propaganda unless it is controlled by a government.



Says who?  You?



Read what you quoted...yes...i said it.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28058181 - 11/18/22 12:42 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Maybe because he who pays the piper calls the tune?

I know you aren't this naive.



You should read this post.




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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28058188 - 11/18/22 12:48 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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That happens every day in Russia.  I watch stuff like that all the time.




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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
    #28058216 - 11/18/22 01:22 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

More in general, I'd say when SOMEONE hires someone else to "voice an opinion" it is propaganda. Be a government or not. Private companies DO propaganda, wich of course can be commercial advertising, but can be political propaganda too.

Ever heard about a guy called Silvio Berlusconi?

At the same time, there exist State Owned Networks that provide good information too. I don't think is the case of Russia tho, not mostly atleast.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: sudly]
    #28058220 - 11/18/22 01:26 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Phillips is an experienced Russian state propagandist. This is undeniable.



What does that mean exactly?  RT allowed him to share his opinions?

Graham Philips likes to interview people, and get their actual opinions.  As others have noted, some of the Tatars expressed that they are still a little nervous about sharing their opinions.  That's honest reporting.

But you guys hate real life reporting like that.  You'll take US government talking points given to the Western media over actual videos of real people any day.  :shrug:


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