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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #28057314 - 11/17/22 11:10 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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I think those comments line up pretty well with the discussion here.
Like Falcon has been saying it looks like most of the Crimean people were happy joining Russia and some, not all, of the Crimean Tatars still had obvious minor grievances :shrug: they didn’t look or sound too unhappy to me.
Those interviews look like what you’d expect imo.



Exactly.  I spoke about the tension between the Tatars and other Russians here.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: sudly] * 1
    #28057318 - 11/17/22 11:11 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Aboriginal people here can quite clearly voice their concerns...



So can the Tatars, and they often do.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #28057322 - 11/17/22 11:17 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Uh...no. He quite literally has been paid by Russia to report.




If you mean RT or Zvesda he wasn’t working for them when he made those videos 6 years ago.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: sudly] * 1
    #28057323 - 11/17/22 11:17 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Graham Phillips the messiah ey, what a hill to die on.



Because he interviews people and asks questions instead of being spoon fed horse shit from the safety of the Lviv press lounge? Sure I’ll take that hill, you keep listening to Zelensky, he’s not telling any lies  :flowstone:



No kidding.  You beat me to it.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: sudly] * 1
    #28057324 - 11/17/22 11:18 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Graham Phillips the Russian state sponsored propagandist.



Source, or make believe?

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State sponsored? Now you’re just making shit up.



You beat me to it.  :toast:


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #28057355 - 11/17/22 11:50 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Uh...no. He quite literally has been paid by Russia to report.




If you mean RT or Zvesda he wasn’t working for them when he made those videos 6 years ago.




For the Messiah was a partaker of state sponsored propaganda, but we decree he has changed his stance, and is no longer affiliated with his history of Russian state sponsored propaganda, because he was so toxic RT had to disavow his statements.

He has changed his ways, and is nothing like he used to be, he may do the exact same thing, but for the sake of argument, he has changed.

At least we now know where your linch pin lays.

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As the parallels between Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and WWII abound, there is one figure who has escaped notice: 2022’s Lord Haw-Haw, otherwise known as William Joyce. The 1940s voice of anti-Western propaganda was Joyce, a committed American fascist who fled to Germany at the outbreak of World War II — his modern equivalent is Graham Phillips, a so-called journalist who has served as a Kremlin mouthpiece since Russia’s original hostilities against Ukraine in 2014.

Phillips’ history of actively promoting the Kremlin narrative has not been limited to fringe social media activity. He has worked for Russian state media, and clearly retains official links with the authorities: in the last week, he has been given access to British-born Ukrainian prisoners of war, interviewing them for his YouTube channel. The video has since been removed, but third-party clips remain online. It would, however, be inaccurate to describe his video of Ukrainian Marine/Nottingham native Aiden Aslin as an interview; willing interviewees, after all, are rarely in handcuffs. 

In the first of many inaccuracies, it begins with Phillips stating — and making his subject confirm — that Aslin is a mercenary. By definition, this is simply not true. As a citizen of Ukraine and an enlisted member of the country’s Armed Forces, Aslin is neither a mercenary nor a private military contractor.

This sets the tone of the proceedings. Aslin resignedly agrees with whatever predictable Kremlin propaganda Phillips espouses (‘I was on the wrong side’/’I was misled’), but Phillips remains petty enough to sharply correct any Ukrainian pronunciation of regional locales — hardly the conduct, one could reasonably surmise, of an independent journalist.

However, his conduct in the Aslin interrogation is simply the latest example of his eight years of servitude to Moscow, work which began after he moved to Ukraine following a visit to the country to watch a football match. Originally a blogger with a sleazy focus on sex and prostitution, he became affiliated with Russia Today during the 2014 Euromaidan revolution and the subsequent conflict between Russia and Ukraine.

His journalistic narratives have always been word-for-word translations of premium Kremlin propaganda, lent faux legitimacy by a middle-class English accent: Ukraine has been taken over by Nazis; Georgia is a fascist state and a NATO puppet that provoked Russia into war in 2008; Russia is a liberator defending oppressed minorities under attack by the West and their Eastern European allies.

https://unherd.com/thepost/meet-the-british-journalist-who-became-a-kremlin-mouthpiece/





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Phillips, who blew onto the international media scene 2 1/2 years ago with the start of hostilities in Ukraine, has made his name on social media and video-sharing sites for brash and sometimes foolhardy reporting around the front lines with pro-Moscow separatists.

He has worked for Russia's state broadcaster RT and its military channel Zvezda and toes the Kremlin line, alleging Kyiv's responsibility for the conflict and shaming its troops and accusing them of the "murder [of] civilians," as well as asserting Moscow's narrative that part of eastern Ukraine "is Novorossia and not Ukraine." He has routinely posed with separatist or Russian weapons in hand and in Russian military uniform, and even cheered separatists' tactical victories on the battlefield.

Phillips' critics call his war coverage mere Russia-sponsored theater with the aim of legitimizing Moscow's designs in Ukraine.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rferl.org/amp/ukraine-graham-graham-phillips-reporter-/28008922.html




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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: sudly]
    #28057366 - 11/18/22 12:05 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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For the Messiah was a partaker of state sponsored propaganda, but we decree he has changed his stance, and is no longer affiliated with his history of Russian state sponsored propaganda, because he was so toxic RT had to disavow his statements.

He has changed his ways, and is nothing like he used to be, he may do the exact same thing, but for the sake of argument, he has changed.



Now you're kind of being silly sudly.  People like Ed Schultz, Larry King, Jesse Ventura, Scott Ritter, and a lot of others have gone to RT because they give people the freedom to speak their minds.

Don't believe me?  Listen to a story from Ed Schultz about how MSNBC wouldn't air his coverage of a presidential candidate's announcement.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #28057381 - 11/18/22 12:27 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

This is pretty intense. Open and raw dissent on Russian state tv

https://twitter.com/realsubtitles/status/1593381222633316352?s=46&t=SszgdXy6AJzdZ8EfPgdtNQ


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28057382 - 11/18/22 12:29 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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For the Messiah was a partaker of state sponsored propaganda, but we decree he has changed his stance, and is no longer affiliated with his history of Russian state sponsored propaganda, because he was so toxic RT had to disavow his statements.

He has changed his ways, and is nothing like he used to be, he may do the exact same thing, but for the sake of argument, he has changed.



Now you're kind of being silly sudly.  People like Ed Schultz, Larry King, Jesse Ventura, Scott Ritter, and a lot of others have gone to RT because they give people the freedom to speak their minds.

Don't believe me?  Listen to a story from Ed Schultz about how MSNBC wouldn't air his coverage of a presidential candidate's announcement.




Most of those guys went to RT from other networks. Scott Ritter went straight from the state prison.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods]
    #28057387 - 11/18/22 12:32 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

That happens every day in Russia.  I watch stuff like that all the time.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods]
    #28057388 - 11/18/22 12:33 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Yeah that was pretty cool. Even if he was just complaining about not being able to buy luxury goods any more. lmao


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: 336] * 1
    #28057436 - 11/18/22 01:38 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

He probably should stay away from windows tho to be safe


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods]
    #28057437 - 11/18/22 01:40 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

yeah I'd be pretty paranoid if I was him.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28057626 - 11/18/22 07:06 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Uh...no. He quite literally has been paid by Russia to report.




If you mean RT or Zvesda he wasn’t working for them when he made those videos 6 years ago.



Are you saying that he has never been paid by Russia to report the news?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28057635 - 11/18/22 07:12 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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That happens every day in Russia.  I watch stuff like that all the time.



I don't doubt it, considering that was a parody and the subtitles were intended for humor.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: 336]
    #28057809 - 11/18/22 08:41 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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He probably should stay away from windows tho to be safe



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yeah I'd be pretty paranoid if I was him.




Alexei Navalny is now in solitary confinement. He's probably too well known to have an accident at this point.

There has been an increased level of publicized dissent in Russia. The state response seems to vary. Maybe there are too many to crack down hard, but IDK.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
    #28057915 - 11/18/22 09:38 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Uh...no. He quite literally has been paid by Russia to report.




If you mean RT or Zvesda he wasn’t working for them when he made those videos 6 years ago.



Are you saying that he has never been paid by Russia to report the news?



I think he was responding to you defending sudly's statement "Graham Phillips the Russian state sponsored propagandist.

What a hill to die on lol."

Just because one appears on RT doesn't make one a state sponsored propagandist.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #28057923 - 11/18/22 09:41 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

If one is paid by RT it does...


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28057925 - 11/18/22 09:41 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

It literally does


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
    #28057961 - 11/18/22 09:51 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

So most everything you guys post is just US propaganda then.  Ok, got it.


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