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OfflineThe Ecstatic
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #28056443 - 11/17/22 03:54 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I get that, what disturbs me is the near universal salivating for triggering Article 5 and an explicit military confrontation between NATO and Russia.

But I’m pretty sure the international community learned after the treaty of Versailles that you can’t just pin all the consequences of the war based on who the aggressor was.

I’m glad it was Ukraine, and this won’t snowball further, as one of the few people on here actually hoping for a diplomatic solution.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: sudly]
    #28056456 - 11/17/22 03:59 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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If comments from Graham Phillips line up with fals comments on here, I don't think that'd be a coincidence.

Aboriginal people here can quite clearly voice their concerns, like how the stolen generation came about through the raped generation, and that such history should be taught and acknowledged, not swept under the carpet, or not spoken of and recognised.




@ Sudly:  I'd mentioned the sketch nature of Komrad Falkun's activities here as possibly being indicative of more than just another ignorant conspiracy theorist mouthing off some months ago- but of course it was chalked up to make believe by the king of make believe himself so what more was I to do? :goodmorning:

Carry on Komrad Sudz.  :salute:

@ Iggy:  Don't mean to pry, feel free to ignore, but are you around the North or South?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28056496 - 11/17/22 04:14 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
I get that, what disturbs me is the near universal salivating for triggering Article 5 and an explicit military confrontation between NATO and Russia.

But I’m pretty sure the international community learned after the treaty of Versailles that you can’t just pin all the consequences of the war based on who the aggressor was.

I’m glad it was Ukraine, and this won’t snowball further, as one of the few people on here actually hoping for a diplomatic solution.




People like things to be black and white. Especially lately. Good and evil.

Also, most people (in the western world, which is who you're talking about) no longer know what war is. Like, actual, big boy war. Apart from a few major battles in Iraq, or Vietnam, there is very little memory of what a world war was.

But there is lots of songs and memories of glory.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
    #28056519 - 11/17/22 04:19 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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I get that, what disturbs me is the near universal salivating for triggering Article 5 and an explicit military confrontation between NATO and Russia.



I haven't seen, heard, or read a single person calling for NATO to strike.  Maybe there have been a few people here and there, but not enough that anyone would really take them seriously. 

Are you just making this up for rhetorical purposes, or have you actually heard any actual leaders calling for a NATO strike?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
    #28056549 - 11/17/22 04:29 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

It's been a pretty common refrain from the rabble on various social media sites. No actual important people.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28056580 - 11/17/22 04:41 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
I get that, what disturbs me is the near universal salivating for triggering Article 5 and an explicit military confrontation between NATO and Russia.

But I’m pretty sure the international community learned after the treaty of Versailles that you can’t just pin all the consequences of the war based on who the aggressor was.

I’m glad it was Ukraine, and this won’t snowball further, as one of the few people on here actually hoping for a diplomatic solution.




TBH here i didnt hear or read so many calling at art.5
Poland kept the nerves quite calm. Biden dint even woke from his nap. Only Zelensky went a bit up-gear but nobody toke him seriously and had to calm down.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius] * 2
    #28056585 - 11/17/22 04:45 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Crimean Tatars still had obvious minor grievances :shrug:




Wow.  You're disgusting calling genocide a minor grievance.  Your emphasis, not mine.

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deportation of the Crimean Tatars (Crimean Tatar: Qırımtatar halqınıñ sürgünligi, Cyrillic: Къырымтатар халкъынынъ сюргюнлиги) or the Sürgünlik ("exile") was the ethnic cleansing and cultural genocide[c 1] of at least 191,044[c 2] Crimean Tatars carried out by the Soviet authorities from 18 to 20 May 1944, which was supervised by Lavrentiy Beria, head of Soviet state security and the secret police, and which was ordered by the Soviet leader Joseph Stalin




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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Ice9]
    #28056606 - 11/17/22 05:04 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I wouldn't call it a minor grievance, but it's not as bad as the Hitler's shenanigans.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
    #28056613 - 11/17/22 05:10 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
I get that, what disturbs me is the near universal salivating for triggering Article 5 and an explicit military confrontation between NATO and Russia.



I haven't seen, heard, or read a single person calling for NATO to strike.  Maybe there have been a few people here and there, but not enough that anyone would really take them seriously. 

Are you just making this up for rhetorical purposes, or have you actually heard any actual leaders calling for a NATO strike?




Leaders, no. But the sentiment has been widespread on social media platforms.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28056625 - 11/17/22 05:14 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

This is the only social media i use


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #28056651 - 11/17/22 05:26 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Not on my social media lol, that kinda stuff usually follows an algorithm designed by what the user engages in.

The near universal salvation for triggering article 5? That's absurd!

In the dark realms of Twitter and 4chan you surely can find some silly shit like that.

Nuclear annihilation isn't desirable.

Feel free to share an example of what you're referring to.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28056667 - 11/17/22 05:30 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
I get that, what disturbs me is the near universal salivating for triggering Article 5 and an explicit military confrontation between NATO and Russia.

But I’m pretty sure the international community learned after the treaty of Versailles that you can’t just pin all the consequences of the war based on who the aggressor was.

I’m glad it was Ukraine, and this won’t snowball further, as one of the few people on here actually hoping for a diplomatic solution.




My sense is everyone representing NATO has bent over backwards to not make any accusations or get ahead of the facts. While the media was essentially calling it a Russian attack on Poland, people like Biden were not making any claims about the missiles origin.

You’re extremely quick to accuse NATO of wanting a direct conflict with Russia, but it really seems that NATO is being almost painfully cautious.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods] * 1
    #28056748 - 11/17/22 06:14 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)



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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods] * 1
    #28056936 - 11/17/22 07:15 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
I get that, what disturbs me is the near universal salivating for triggering Article 5 and an explicit military confrontation between NATO and Russia.

But I’m pretty sure the international community learned after the treaty of Versailles that you can’t just pin all the consequences of the war based on who the aggressor was.

I’m glad it was Ukraine, and this won’t snowball further, as one of the few people on here actually hoping for a diplomatic solution.




My sense is everyone representing NATO has bent over backwards to not make any accusations or get ahead of the facts. While the media was essentially calling it a Russian attack on Poland, people like Biden were not making any claims about the missiles origin.

You’re extremely quick to accuse NATO of wanting a direct conflict with Russia, but it really seems that NATO is being almost painfully cautious.




NATO doesn’t want the direct conflict, they’re more than happy to watch us bankroll the Ukrainian war effort safely across the Atlantic Ocean. Western Europe’s desire to not get steamrolled by T-72s is probably the only reason the world still even exists.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Ice9] * 1
    #28056982 - 11/17/22 07:41 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Wow.  You're disgusting calling genocide a minor grievance.  Your emphasis, not mine.





Go easy on the hysteria pills, Graham Phillips was asking people how their lives were now not 70 years ago.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28057020 - 11/17/22 07:59 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Graham Phillips the messiah ey, what a hill to die on.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: sudly]
    #28057120 - 11/17/22 08:39 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Because he interviews people and asks questions instead of being spoon fed horse shit from the safety of the Lviv press lounge? Sure I’ll take that hill, you keep listening to Zelensky, he’s not telling any lies  :flowstone:


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28057164 - 11/17/22 09:04 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Graham Phillips the Russian state sponsored propagandist.

What a hill to die on lol.

There's more to these stories than what Zelensky says too, but nice straw man to boot.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: sudly]
    #28057178 - 11/17/22 09:15 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

State sponsored? Now you’re just making shit up.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #28057188 - 11/17/22 09:20 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Uh...no. He quite literally has been paid by Russia to report.


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