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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius] * 2
    #28053238 - 11/15/22 05:45 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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We never get to see any titties  :nonono:





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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28053241 - 11/15/22 05:47 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Man. All this five d chess from Russia. Acting like they can't hit the broad side of a barn with their missiles.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #28053248 - 11/15/22 05:50 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

It really makes me wonder how many of their missiles would hit their own territory in a full scale nuclear exchange


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
    #28053252 - 11/15/22 05:51 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

We can only hope it's all of them.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Sulfurshelfsean] * 2
    #28053259 - 11/15/22 05:52 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Even if it were, that wouldn't change the outcome...it would just give us a little time to point and laugh as we wait for our deaths.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
    #28053288 - 11/15/22 06:07 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

This type of malarkeyism knows no bounds! Unbelievable these people.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 1
    #28053313 - 11/15/22 06:23 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I’ve been listening to Jackson Hinkle discuss this on a live stream.
He’s saying the missile was an S300 that may have come from a Ukrainian air defence system.
Apparently an S300 has a range of 150km and if that’s the case it couldn’t have been fired from Russia.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: sudly] * 1
    #28053345 - 11/15/22 06:43 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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There was intimidation, with threats of violence, followed by violence.

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Since Russian forces began occupying Crimea in early 2014...






Whether true or not, that's post-referendum.

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It was not, however, a fair referendum. It was conducted in polling places under armed guard, with no credible international observers, and with Russian journalists reporting that they had been allowed to vote.

https://cisac.fsi.stanford.edu/news/five-years-after-crimea%E2%80%99s-illegal-annexation-issue-no-closer-resolution







That article is from the Brookings Institution -- The Progressive Jukebox Funded By U.S. Taxpayers
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In many cases, Brookings doesn’t resemble a think tank, but a jukebox – add a little coin and Brookings will play your tune, if the price is right.
And these aren’t just dollars provided by private donors -- these are your tax dollars funding partisan advocacy projects and papers.




Notice your article provides no sources or proof for the claim you quoted.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28053517 - 11/15/22 07:50 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

It's happened before, it happened again.

You can't redefine intimidation fal.

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Russian-installed authorities in the Kherson region said residents of a small Moscow-controlled area of the neighboring Mykolaiv region also will be able to vote, and that small area was “incorporated” into the Kherson region until all of Mykolaiv is taken over by Russian forces
Ukraine and the West have denounced the vote as a sham and an illegitimate step toward annexation of a large slice of the country from the Russian border to the Crimean Peninsula. A similar referendum took place in Crimea in 2014 before Moscow annexed it, a move that most of the world considered illegal.

Election officials planned to bring ballots to homes and set up makeshift polling stations near residential buildings in the first four days of voting, according to Russian-installed officials in the occupied regions, who cited safety reasons. Russian state TV on Friday morning showed teams of election officials going to ra esidential neighborhood, with one such group accompanied by a masked police officer carrying an assault rifle.

Ivan Fedorov, the Ukrainian mayor of Melitopol in the Zaporizhzhia region, told The Associated Press that Russians and residents of Crimea were brought into his city to urge people to vote.

The Russians see an overwhelming reluctance and fear to attend the referendum and are forced to bring people … to create an image and an illusion of the vote,” he said. “Groups of collaborators and Russians along with armed soldiers are doing a door-to-door poll, but few people open the doors to them.”
Polls also opened in Russia, where refugees and other residents from those regions could vote.

Denis Pushilin, the separatist leader of the Moscow-backed authorities in the Donetsk region, called the referendum “a historical milestone.”

Vyacheslav Volodin, the speaker of Russia’s lower house of parliament, the State Duma, addressed the regions in an online statement, saying: “If you decide to become part of the Russian Federation, we will support you.”

Luhansk Gov. Serhii Haidai accused Russian officials of taking down the names of people who voted against it. In online posts, Haidai also alleged that Russian officials threatened to kick down the doors of anyone who didn’t want to vote and shared photos of what appeared to be a pair of deserted polling stations.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/voting-begins-in-rigged-referendum-to-join-russia-in-occupied-parts-of-ukraine




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Local Ukrainian officials reported numerous incidents of voter coercion in the five days of voting, with photos and videos popping up on social media indicating a process that was neither free nor fair.

One video widely shared on the Telegram messaging app and Twitter shows security footage purportedly from an apartment building in an occupied area, with two armed soldiers escorting officials carrying ballot boxes through a stairwell. Another video showed residents at a polling place filling out ballots with Russian officials monitoring across the table.

Most of the vote was carried out by poll workers — under armed guard — bringing paper ballots door to door, as the process was so rushed there wasn't time to set up more complex voting infrastructure, according to the Russian state news agency TASS.

Local officials only opened polling stations to the public on the final day of voting. Russia and its proxies also organized voting for Ukrainians who had fled to Russia from the regions amid the conflict. Russia's own Central Election Commission was tasked with monitoring the vote and the country claimed to have international observers.

The process — and outcome — was reminiscent of the Kremlin's hastily staged referendum in Crimea over eight years ago, after Russian troops seized that part of Ukraine in 2014. The official outcome of that referendum, which was also denounced as a farce by international observers, was that more than 95% of voters wanted to join the Russian Federation.

https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/2022-09-27/occupied-regions-of-ukraine-vote-to-join-russia-in-staged-referendums




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Vladimir Putin has just signed a document claiming to annex four Russia-occupied Ukrainian territories in Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions. Days before, Russia purported to hold “referendums” in these areas, with hastily staged “voting,” in some cases at gunpoint.

Just like the so-called referendum in Crimea in 2014, they hold no legal value and don’t provide a basis for annexation or transfer of sovereignty.

Russia remains an occupying power in these regions bound by the Fourth Geneva Convention, which continues to protect civilians in those areas. In particular, if Russian authorities conscript civilians from these areas, as they’ve been doing in occupied Crimea and occupied areas of Donetsk and Luhansk regions, they’ll be committing new war crimes.

War crimes under Russian occupation are nothing new. From the start of the occupation, Russian authorities have been suppressing dissent through widespread intimidation, including torture and enforced disappearances. I’ve interviewed dozens of civilians from Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions, who shared horrific accounts of beatings, electric shocks, and incommunicado detention at the hands of Russian forces. Many were locked up for days or weeks, blindfolded, with their hands tied.

Russian propaganda, predictably, claims people overwhelmingly “voted” to join Russia.  Even if there were some genuine supporters, this does not give the process any legal value. Moreover, Ukrainians I spoke to paint a very different picture. Alexey Koshel, the head of Ukraine’s Committee of Voters, described to me how poll workers carried ballots door-to-door accompanied by armed soldiers: “Imagine …  [f]our armed men walk into your flat. You have to vote to join Russia, at gunpoint. If you refuse or vote ‘no’, you’ll be doing it right in front of them, they can see what you put on the ballot.”

https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/09/30/fictitious-annexation-follows-voting-gunpoint




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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: sudly] * 1
    #28053571 - 11/15/22 08:05 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/15/stray-russian-missiles-feared-landed-poland-ukraine

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The Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, said the incident was a “significant escalation” of the conflict. “Russian missiles hit Poland,” Zelenskiy said. He did not provide evidence.
Some analysts said they believed photographs of missile debris at the scene showed a Ukrainian S-300 air defence system that would have been engaged in shooting down a Russian missile, but it was not possible to corroborate those reports.




Zelensky is seriously a loose cannon. Thank god he doesn’t own any nukes.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28053585 - 11/15/22 08:13 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

The loose cannon that got invaded. Somebody call the ghost busters.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28053588 - 11/15/22 08:15 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Polish President Andrzej Duda emphasized in a Tuesday address that Poland does not know who fired the missile, while noting that the missile was “most likely produced in Russia.”




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  Russia’s Defense Ministry earlier on Tuesday denied targeting the border, and called the reports by Polish media, who first reported the deaths, “a deliberate provocation in order to escalate the situation,” according to a short statement late Tuesday.

“The statements of the Polish media and officials about the alleged fall of ‘Russian’ missiles in the area of the settlement of Przewodow is a deliberate provocation in order to escalate the situation,” it said, adding that “there were no strikes made on targets near the Ukrainian-Polish state border.”

It added that the photos of wreckage published by the Polish media “from the scene in the village of Przewodow have nothing to do with Russian weapons.”




Polish president says weapon debris is likely Russian origin.  Russia disagrees.  Wonder who is more trustworthy.  Stable Genius posts the Russia talking point as if it is a fact...I know who I believe
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods]
    #28053647 - 11/15/22 08:36 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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I am a Russian expat living in the US. The US has a certain track record for how they treat foreign nationals, even those that are naturalized citizens, in times of war against their home country.



If they aren’t white. German Americans got along fine during the Second World War. German POWs were treated better than Japanese-American internees



Yeah, slavs and actual caucasians aren't really considered white in the US. I've had people call me the n word of white people before, to my face. By a fellow grad student.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
    #28053685 - 11/15/22 09:06 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Cracker?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Ice9]
    #28053742 - 11/15/22 09:50 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Polish president says weapon debris is likely Russian origin.  Russia disagrees.  Wonder who is more trustworthy.  Stable Genius posts the Russia talking point as if it is a fact...I know who I believe



How about a little common sense for a change?

If Russia bombs Poland, that means NATO could enter the war.  Which side wants that, and which side doesn't?

Edit:  And by the way, the S-300 WAS made in Russia, but Ukraine still uses them.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28053744 - 11/15/22 09:52 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Ukraine doesn't want NATO to enter the war against it.  You think Ukraine bombing Poland will mean NATO will side with Ukraine?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
    #28053750 - 11/15/22 09:57 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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President Joe Biden said Wednesday it was “unlikely” that a missile that killed two in NATO-ally Poland was fired from Russia, but he pledged support for Poland's investigation into what it had called a “Russian-made” missile.




Can't wait to find out whose missile it actually was. Lots of finger pointing and minimizing.  My guess would be, even if it is a Russian weapon, this gets swept under the rug.  Russia doesn't want NATO involved, and US doesn't want to have put troops in the area.  The best course is probably quiet diplomacy, tell Russia it better not happen again if it is them.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Ice9]
    #28053755 - 11/15/22 10:01 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

The S-300 IS Russian made, but Ukraine uses them.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
    #28053758 - 11/15/22 10:02 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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You think Ukraine bombing Poland will mean NATO will side with Ukraine?



I think NATO is siding with Ukraine regardless of missile strikes.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #28053811 - 11/15/22 10:56 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

There are now three independent “US officials” sources telling the Daily Beast that the missiles that hit Poland were Ukrainian, and not Russian.

https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1592754953109512192?s=46&t=4LNL_bEetHO-cqQCAOX3CA


We can’t even execute a false flag properly anymore smh empire in serious decline


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