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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
#28051624 - 11/14/22 08:28 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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* small dick energy
* gotta put balls on the hitch.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: SirTripAlot]
#28051679 - 11/14/22 08:57 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Someone but balls on my neighbors truck as a joke and he didn't even notice for like 2 weeks. I noticed it the first second I walked out of my house and almost mentioned it but didn't because I thought he was losing it in some kind of midlife crisis
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Ice9 said: Both these guys in this thread can't possibly understand why someone wouldn't vote in the face of violence. They are real brave men, and even if it were certain death, would do their civic duty. These guys are legends in their own minds.
Was there violence?
As for the rest of your post, I think you may have your hat screwed on too tight.
A foreign country sending its soldiers into your territory and removing your elected government is innately violent.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: twighead] 1
#28051827 - 11/14/22 10:30 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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twighead said: Falcon "Mobile Goalposts" Wolvrn
How did the goalposts move? Please answer the question.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: mycosis]
#28051836 - 11/14/22 10:34 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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mycosis said: There are unconfirmed reports that Ukraine has liberated the town of Oleshky on the left bank of the Dnipro River.
If that's true.... 
Any confirmation yet? I certainly haven't seen it.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius] 1
#28051841 - 11/14/22 10:36 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Stable Genius said:
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Ice9 said: Both these guys in this thread can't possibly understand why someone wouldn't vote in the face of violence.
Was there violence?
***CRICKETS***
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: twighead] 1
#28051842 - 11/14/22 10:37 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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twighead said: A foreign country sending its soldiers into your territory and removing your elected government is innately violent.

Finally, someone admits what happened in Kiev.
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Lmao - that isn't remotely what happened in Kiev.
But it is exactly what happened in Crimea.
You asked for my example? You just made my point entirely
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Stable Genius said:
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Ice9 said: Both these guys in this thread can't possibly understand why someone wouldn't vote in the face of violence.
Was there violence?
***CRICKETS***
There was intimidation, with threats of violence, followed by violence.
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Since Russian forces began occupying Crimea in early 2014, the space for free speech, freedom of association, and media in Crimea has shrunk dramatically. In two years, authorities have failed to conduct meaningful investigations into actions of armed paramilitary groups, implicated in torture, extra-judicial killings, enforced disappearances, attacks and beatings of Crimean Tatar and pro-Ukraine activists and journalists.
Authorities have required Crimean residents either to become Russian citizens or, if they refuse, to be deemed foreigners in Crimea. Two years on, it is evident that residents who chose not to accept Russian citizenship face discrimination in getting jobs and social services.
Under the pretext of combating extremism or terrorism, the authorities have harassed, intimidated, and taken arbitrary legal action against Crimean Tatars, an ethnic minority who openly opposed Russia’s occupation.
“For the last two years, many Crimean Tatars have consistently, openly, and peacefully opposed Russian actions in Crimea,” Williamson said. “Russia has been making Crimean Tatars pay a high price for nothing more than their principled stance.”
Local authorities declared two Crimean Tatar leaders personae non gratae and prohibited them from entering Crimea; searched, threatened, or shut down Crimean Tatar media outlets and banned peaceful gatherings to commemorate historic events, such as the anniversary of the deportation of Crimean Tatars.
The authorities also have harassed and intimidated Crimean Tatar activists; conducted intrusive and sometimes unwarranted searches at mosques, Islamic schools, and dozens of homes of Crimean Tatars under the pretext of searching for drugs, weapons, and prohibited literature; and initiated administrative and criminal proceedings against dozens of Crimean Tatars on trumped up charges, which included “rioting” and “terrorism.” Crimean Tatars who consciously chose not to obtain Russian citizenship are regularly questioned, and police sometimes arbitrarily search their homes.
Crimea’s prosecutor petitioned a court to recognize the actions of Mejlis, the Crimean Tatars’ elected representative body, as extremist. In February 2016, court proceedings began to determine whether to shut it down.
Russian authorities have also prosecuted people in Russia who spoke their minds on Crimea online. In June 2015, Russian authorities blocked the website of a Moscow-based consumer group that had called Crimea an “occupied territory.” The group, Public Control, became the target of a criminal investigation after the prosecutor general alleged that it sought to undermine Russia’s territorial integrity, in violation of anti-extremism legislation.
In August, a Russian military court sentenced a Ukrainian filmmaker from Crimea, Oleg Sentsov, to 20 years in jail for supposedly running a “terrorist organization.” The case against Sentsov lacked foundation and was politically motivated.
Russia’s move to gain control of Ukraine’s Crimea region began in late February 2014, when armed personnel increasingly identified as members of the Russian Federation’s armed forces began asserting their authority in Crimea.
Russian armed personnel and pro-Russian militias in Crimea prevented Ukrainian armed forces from leaving their bases, took control over strategic facilities and took over Crimea’s administrative borders with the rest of Ukraine. On March 16, 2014, Crimea’s local authorities held a referendum on whether Crimea should secede from Ukraine to join the Russian Federation. The Ukrainian government opposed the referendum, saying it was illegal.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/03/18/ukraine-fear-repression-crimea
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It was not, however, a fair referendum. It was conducted in polling places under armed guard, with no credible international observers, and with Russian journalists reporting that they had been allowed to vote.
https://cisac.fsi.stanford.edu/news/five-years-after-crimea%E2%80%99s-illegal-annexation-issue-no-closer-resolution
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: sudly] 1
#28051933 - 11/15/22 12:04 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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There was no violence by Russian forces, in the lead up to or during the referendum. Nor were there any soldiers posted anywhere near any polling stations(*any eligible soldiers were allowed to vote).
https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2014/3/20/in-pictures-crimeas-referendum
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Before the election, rival rallies were held in Simferopol. Pro-Russian rallies attracted far more people.
Actually there was some violence, but not from the Russian soldiers,
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The proceedings were interrupted by two protesters from the topless protest group Femen, who charged the stage with "Stop Putin's War" written on their bodies. They were beaten by a crowd of elderly women before being dragged off by Cossack irregulars and taken away in a police van. "This is what the west is about, whores and junkies," yelled one elderly woman who had been beating one of the Femen protesters on the breasts with a plastic bottle. "We don't want them here, we want to be with Russia."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/06/ukraine-crisis-crimea-vote-russia-kiev
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Authorities in Crimea voted on Thursday to accelerate secession from Ukraine, unanimously backing a law that declared the territory to be part of the Russian Federation.
In a move that drew howls of outrage from the new leadership in Kiev, MPs voted by 78 votes to nil for the territory to leave Ukraine, further escalating what has become the most serious crisis in Russian relations with the west since the cold war.
Crimea's deputy prime minister, Rustam Temirgaliev, said the referendum was now only to "confirm" parliament's decision, and he considered Crimea to be part of Russia already. He said that all Ukrainian troops on the territory should either leave or be treated as occupiers. Crimea is planning to introduce the rouble and readopt Russian state symbols.
The Russian president Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday that Russia was "not considering" annexing Crimea, but on Thursday, Sergei Mironov, a Russian MP, said the Duma, Russia's parliament, could consider the issue as early as next week.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius] 2
#28051973 - 11/15/22 01:11 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Crimeas government was forcefully overtaken, an overwhelming political campaign was propagandised, an excess of unmarked and armed Russian soldiers were made present before and during the referendum, and opposing the referendum was met with disdain and threat.
Y'all have clearly moved the goal posts from intimidation to violence and you don't appear to see or acknowledge the distinction, through intention or otherwise.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: sudly] 1
#28052018 - 11/15/22 02:06 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Nah, not moving any goal posts, just responding to this.
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Ice9 said: Both these guys in this thread can't possibly understand why someone wouldn't vote in the face of violence. They are real brave men, and even if it were certain death, would do their civic duty. These guys are legends in their own minds.
I don't doubt that some Tatars were intimidated but your post above is referring to what happened after the election referendum. *Edit
Ever seen the political violence before, during and after a U.S. election?
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Jan 6. was terrible....but most transfers of power in the USA are bloodless.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: SirTripAlot]
#28052037 - 11/15/22 02:37 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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That political violence is usually committed by right wingers who would probably be aligned with putins politics.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: mushboy]
#28052039 - 11/15/22 02:41 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Mushboy is right, Democrats are mostly peaceful.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: SirTripAlot]
#28052040 - 11/15/22 02:44 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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True. Remember that guy in Charlottesville that mowed down the crowd? That was pretty full on. And the Trump supporter that the FBI shot after he attacked one of them after the raid on Maralago... and the assassination's in the 60's. I was making the point that violence occurs in politics no matter the country.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius] 1
#28052044 - 11/15/22 02:48 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Governments are corrupt and people want to attack them for it.
What gets weird is when governments are corrupt and people want to attack the general population and business infrastructure and get Nike's.
The government is Corrupt NOW
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: budmanman]
#28052048 - 11/15/22 02:52 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Stable Genius said: True. Remember that guy in Charlottesville that mowed down the crowd? That was pretty full on. And the Trump supporter that the FBI shot after he attacked one of them after the raid on Maralago... and the assassination's in the 60's. I was making the point that violence occurs in politics no matter the country.
yup you just mentioned all right winged political violence thanks dude for helping me out
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budmanman said: Mushboy is right, Democrats are mostly peaceful.
civil unrest/destruction of property/riot = overthrowing the government to install a fascist?
you need to go back to civics class homie. almost sounds like your saying liberals should of stormed the capital and overthrown the government like the tea baggers tried.
because thats acceptable. by your standards youd have no problem if drag queens dragged out trump hung him and installed a new head of state youd go 'ah, democracy'.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: mushboy]
#28052059 - 11/15/22 03:19 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Wait Trump was a Fascist dictator and was in the white house and they attacked the common people instead of trying to over throw the government?
But no they attacked the common people and demanded shut downs and people lost their jobs, me being one of them and now my only means of retaliation is to vote red in the next presidential election.
I don't care who it is, I don't care if it is actually a fascist demonic insane guy saying he is going to kill anyone over 50 to save money and cancel social security all together and all health care and kill everyone over 50.
I will vote for them as vengeance and gladly die at 50 for it.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: budmanman]
#28052062 - 11/15/22 03:22 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I wish Trump was as facist as you jack offs pretend he was.
What a fascist hey states I mean if u wanna shut down fine go on ahead and hey states if you don't fine then don't make your own choices.
What a fascist. Dude literally did nothing his entire presidency other than talk. Which ironically made him the best president ever because he did nothing.
Anything a president ever does always has unintended consequences. Like even him just talking and not doing anything had the unintended consequence of everyone going full retard over it.
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