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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods]
#28050287 - 11/14/22 09:21 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Let's pretend that the soldiers would have taken control militarily if the referendum didn't go how they wish. That should only make people more eager to vote against joining Russia, because then at least they have documented their opposition.
The presence of the military is a show of force and it intimidates people. Do you not have any common sense?
The Russian military was already in Crimea for decades before the referendum.
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mushboy said: ha! youve never been around gangster style motha fuckers have you? document your opposition? sounds like a good way to get a bullet in the head.
The voting was done anonymously. No one knows how anyone voted.
You claim to know all the time.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Let's pretend that the soldiers would have taken control militarily if the referendum didn't go how they wish. That should only make people more eager to vote against joining Russia, because then at least they have documented their opposition.
The presence of the military is a show of force and it intimidates people. Do you not have any common sense?
The Russian military was already in Crimea for decades before the referendum.
Holy fuck you are such a bad faith debater.
I’m not engaging this bullshit anymore. I would suggest everyone else stop giving this troll any attention
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods]
#28050299 - 11/14/22 09:26 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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If we didn't feed the trolls, this forum would be dead.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
#28050305 - 11/14/22 09:29 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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its good practice for real life
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
#28050306 - 11/14/22 09:30 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: the Crimean people want Russian security, the Iraqis don't want American security.
You're just looking at the wrong polls. Look, a majority of Iraqi respondents support the US invasion of Iraq.
I didn't see a question about people's support for the invasion. It did have an answer where people said the country was headed in the wrong direction due to the US occupation.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: mycosis]
#28050308 - 11/14/22 09:33 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: Anecdotally in my profession I’ve worked with a number of Iraqis and 100% of them loved US security. So much so that they collaborated with the military.

Two questions.
1. In what country did you work with Iraqis? 2. If in Iraq, which Iraqi people did you work with?
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I imagine they lived in Iraq until the Americans stopped providing security, so they left
You’re also lying about the Iraqis saying the country was going in the wrong direction. That’s the opposite of what that survey said
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: the Crimean people want Russian security, the Iraqis don't want American security.
You're just looking at the wrong polls. Look, a majority of Iraqi respondents support the US invasion of Iraq.
I didn't see a question about people's support for the invasion. It did have an answer where people said the country was headed in the wrong direction due to the US occupation.
I don't see a question about people's support for the Russian invasion on your polls, either.
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Here in the US.
My favorite Iraqi is actually a Kurd that doesn’t even like to say he’s Iraqi. The first time I asked him he said he was from between Iraq and Syria, lol. He was in the University of Tikrit from 2001-2005. I imagine that was a pretty wild ride. His dad was a judge for Saddam which is kinda odd for a Kurd. His family is pretty wealthy and he’s back in Iraq now.
The rest of the Iraqis I know are from the south so I imagine they’re Shiites but I never really question them about their religion. They’re all super nice really great people. Extremely smart.
But yeah I don’t know any hardcore Ba'athists.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: mycosis]
#28050363 - 11/14/22 10:09 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Falcon can't even get quoting on this site correct
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods]
#28050389 - 11/14/22 10:17 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: You’re also lying about the Iraqis saying the country was going in the wrong direction. That’s the opposite of what that survey said
Search the poll for the word "occupation" and you'll find it once:
Why do you think Iraq is heading in the right/wrong direction?
Wrong Direction - Presence of Occupation
I'm getting tired of people lying about me lying. I spend a majority of my posts correcting people who lie about me.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Ice9] 1
#28050392 - 11/14/22 10:18 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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if i were ukrainian id be like russians commited the holodomor and now they are here with guns to secure my right to vote. less than 100yrs later? culture doesnt turn on a dime like that..
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iggyhiggy said: The problem is not just them watching you while voting. The problem is having a foreign army in your land that may take control militarily if the referendum doesnt go how they wish.
Let's pretend that the soldiers would have taken control militarily if the referendum didn't go how they wish. That should only make people more eager to vote against joining Russia, because then at least they have documented their opposition.
Man, NO and NO again. In general moderate, ordinary, average people who have their business, their 'wheelbarrow to carry' so to say, will chose whatever to avoid a violent solution. They would not vote eagerly, but they'd vote to join to prevent the bang bang. But i think its pretty clear to you too. Your way to debate is what here is called 'climbing the mirrors'. Do you have this expression too?
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Ice9] 1
#28050492 - 11/14/22 11:10 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Ice9 said: Crimean Tatars make up 12% of the population. Hard to get to either 90 or 95%. Unless you are claiming they voted to join Russia so they can be ethnically cleansed. Just further instances of you bringing in numbers and failing
Crimean Tatars used to be a much larger proportion. When the Soviets retook the region in 1944 after two years of German occupation, they deported every Tatar they could round up. Put them into cattle cars, strangely similar to what the Nazi's did to Jews. A very large percentage of them died within one year.
That's how they got a Russian majority in Crimea.
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koods said: You’re also lying about the Iraqis saying the country was going in the wrong direction. That’s the opposite of what that survey said
Search the poll for the word "occupation" and you'll find it once:
Why do you think Iraq is heading in the right/wrong direction?
Wrong Direction - Presence of Occupation
I'm getting tired of people lying about me lying. I spend a majority of my posts correcting people who lie about me.
And the percentage of respondents that agree with that statement...17%! A clear majority!
I know you like Putin math better than regular math, but that shit don't fly here.
And yes, I did cherry pick an obviously biased poll. Just like you do.
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iggyhiggy said: Also, if Russia says Crimean people asked for security, why send them masked etc?
Why do Russian soldiers wear ski masks in the winter?
No I mean that they were not officially there, they had no pins and at the beginning Putin also denied that they werev there. They were not the usual presence of Russian Military as per agreement.
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koods said: You’re also lying about the Iraqis saying the country was going in the wrong direction. That’s the opposite of what that survey said
Search the poll for the word "occupation" and you'll find it once:
Why do you think Iraq is heading in the right/wrong direction?
Wrong Direction - Presence of Occupation
I'm getting tired of people lying about me lying. I spend a majority of my posts correcting people who lie about me.
Stop lying and that will stop
20% of Iraqis said the country was going in the wrong direction and 17% of those people said it was the occupation. So 3.4% of Iraqis agree with your original statement. Congrats.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
#28050661 - 11/14/22 12:28 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Search the poll for the word "occupation" and you'll find it once:
Why do you think Iraq is heading in the right/wrong direction?
Wrong Direction - Presence of Occupation
I'm getting tired of people lying about me lying. I spend a majority of my posts correcting people who lie about me.
And the percentage of respondents that agree with that statement...17%! A clear majority!
No, that's the percentage of respondents who gave that answer for why they thought the country was headed in the wrong direction. We don't know how many agree since that question wasn't asked.
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Kryptos said: I know you like Putin math better than regular math, but that shit don't fly here.
I like regular math better than make believe math.
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Kryptos said: And yes, I did cherry pick an obviously biased poll. Just like you do.
I trust your poll. But it didn't say what you claimed it said (that "a majority of Iraqi respondents support the US invasion of Iraq"). Or did I miss that question?
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sudly said: What do you think the difference is between American soldiers 'providing security' in Iraq or Afghanistan, and Russian soldiers 'providing security' in Crimea?
The difference is the Crimean people want Russian security, the Iraqis don't want American security.
You think that includes the Tatars?
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