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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kickle]
    #27705823 - 03/23/22 01:41 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Yes. And the warfare has been guerilla for a long time. Because Ukraine's fighting has been about survival against a bigger army for a long time.





This is a war of choice and Russia has chosen to bomb out nearly every building in a city of 1,000,000. There is no way Russia can participate in the global society until the people that ordered this war are in custody

I really hope Ukraine has people on the ground working on the execution of Vladimir Putin.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods]
    #27705830 - 03/23/22 01:44 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I'll agree with that assuming we don't cause worse things as a result.

It's not a good precedent. Not in the least. But it's also not over.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kickle]
    #27705837 - 03/23/22 01:48 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Putin is a legitimate military target :shrug:


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods]
    #27705843 - 03/23/22 01:50 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, I meant lasting global condemnation. If a country has nothing to lose...


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kickle]
    #27705851 - 03/23/22 01:55 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

The BBC is doing a really comprehensive look at the nazi claims Russia is making right now. Hopefully they’ll post it online.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick] * 3
    #27705869 - 03/23/22 02:09 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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I am not claiming that Russia is not killing any civilians at all. As you say, that's simply not possible in war.

However, it is true that one side (Ukraine) is taking it to the extreme.




That's essentially the same claim, and it's only an undeniable truth (from your perspective) because you uncritically accept flimsy evidence, like the "official Ukrainian document", when it supports your pre-existing conclusion. I imagine you would be much more critical of a similar leak claiming to be proof that the Russian military is intentionally targeting civilians.




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This is not surprising, given that they are responsible having killed ~15,000 civilians in Donbass over the past 8 years



This is a misrepresentation. I've seen that figure before, but a breakdown reveals 4,641 Ukrainian forces killed, 5,772 separatist forces killed, and 3,393 civilians killed - not ~15,000 civilians. Furthermore, it's also my understanding that the vast majority of civilian casualties occurred in 2014-15 - 2084 in 2014, 954 in 2015, and 305 in the ensuing years.

Whether this misrepresentation is intentional, or the result of your uncritical acceptance of anything that confirms your beliefs, I don't know - but a misrepresentation it is nonetheless.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War




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And you could say, well, Russia invaded so it's still their fault that these people are dying even if Ukraine is using these deplorable tactics. And on that point I would agree if it weren't for one thing - the fact that Ukraine has been waging a war of aggression on Donbass for the past 8 years and has already killed some 15,000 of their own nation's citizens.



Considering you now know that the "one thing" preventing you from holding the Russian state at fault here is a misrepresentation of reality, will you reconsider your support?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27705884 - 03/23/22 02:22 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods] * 1
    #27705931 - 03/23/22 03:02 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Yes. And the warfare has been guerilla for a long time. Because Ukraine's fighting has been about survival against a bigger army for a long time.





This is a war of choice and Russia has chosen to bomb out nearly every building in a city of 1,000,000. There is no way Russia can participate in the global society until the people that ordered this war are in custody







This is a war of choice and the United States has chosen to bomb out nearly every building in a city of 1,000,000. There is no way the US can participate in the global society until the people that ordered this war are in custody.

As you can see, the pot is calling the kettle black

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: The Blind Ass] * 2
    #27705932 - 03/23/22 03:03 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Oh dear god…ChopChop. :smbfacepalm:




Oh dear god, I spoke the truth. The horror!

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick]
    #27706073 - 03/23/22 05:33 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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I am not claiming that Russia is not killing any civilians at all. As you say, that's simply not possible in war.

However, it is true that one side (Ukraine) is taking it to the extreme. This is not surprising, given that they are responsible having killed ~15,000 civilians in Donbass over the past 8 years and furthermore, view the population of Eastern Ukraine as pro-Russian scum deserving of being wiped out. They know they cannot win the hearts and minds of these people so they have decided that as many of them should die in the war as possible. There are numerous videos to this effect, the Ukrainians have admitted these viewpoints themselves in several interviews. I have watched some of them, they are real, maybe I will look for them again later if I have time.

It is true that Ukraine is taking up positions in schools, hospitals, apartment buildings, and other civilian infrastructure. There is plenty of proof, they even go so far as to photograph themselves in these places in some instances.

And it is true that they are taking human shields in the same vein as ISIS or any other radical terrorist group, at-least in the case of Mariupol. The unfortunate reality is that Azov and some of the other nationalist units, in terms of radical ideology, are basically the Eastern European ISIS, only instead of hating Shia muslims, they hate Russia with an almost pathological level of hatred. It is this hatred that drives them to commit these deeds.

And you could say, well, Russia invaded so it's still their fault that these people are dying even if Ukraine is using these deplorable tactics. And on that point I would agree if it weren't for one thing - the fact that Ukraine has been waging a war of aggression on Donbass for the past 8 years and has already killed some 15,000 of their own nation's citizens. I make no secret of my bias in favor of the people of Donbass. I followed the war from the very beginning of the 2014 Maidan coup. I watched as Ukraine began to recklessly slaughter these people. I saw them as the underdog. Naturally I could not help but to feel sympathy for them. I still feel sympathy for them even now.

I won't apologize for it. Ukraine had 8 years to try and settle the Donbass 'issue' politically and peacefully. It should be noted that by the end of 2014, Ukraine lost this war they started against Donbass. Some have said that by the end of 2014 Ukraine only had 5,000 combat-ready soldiers remaining. DPR and LPR forces were advancing and taking territory. They could have taken much more. Guess who stopped them? Russia, with the Minsk agreement, pressured them to call off their advance at the time, threatening to cut off supplies if they did not comply. It was only because of Russia that DPR and LPR did not already take more territory when they had the chance!

Ukraine, instead of doing the sensible thing, reign in their crazed homocidal nationalists and follow Minsk, spent the past 8 years preparing for a massive offensive on Donbass to once again attempt to settle the situation by raw military power. What we are seeing now is the result. It's a tragedy, really.




Do you know what said Mozgovoj from Donbass? He was inside fighting on the Donbass side from the beginning of conflict. He was just killed afterward.

He said that all this situation has artificial character. Both sides are under manipulation to be an enemies to each other. They had realistic opportunities to end the war either by Ukraine side and by the Donbass side too (with real help from Russia). But what was really going - conservation of conflict in the state to use it afterward. When it would be time to open it again. It is not an event without good planning. It's a deep game against Russia, against Ukraine and against people all over the world.

You are Russian, Ukrainian? How did you know so many details? It's not usual thing even in Russia...

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: aloved]
    #27706094 - 03/23/22 05:56 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Anyone else think that Russia their own war?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Patlal]
    #27706102 - 03/23/22 05:59 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Russia is using phosphorus incendiary bombs



Video: https://twitter.com/csm231_/status/1506719757206179841?s=21


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods]
    #27706113 - 03/23/22 06:09 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Russia is using phosphorus incendiary bombs




Now all things like this one could be bound to every side without proving... And it could be third side too. Like gas into fire.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: aloved]
    #27706114 - 03/23/22 06:11 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods] * 2
    #27706117 - 03/23/22 06:20 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Of course. It's needed to do only in the night. More impressive and gives the best picture to post it in internet.

Not only Russia has weapon like this one. But it's needed to ask ourselves: Who has profit of it? May be it was Russian, may be it was Ukrainian, may be third side too. It's not so easy to know who was in the background.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: aloved]
    #27706141 - 03/23/22 06:49 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Of course. It's needed to do only in the night. More impressive and gives the best picture to post it in internet.
Who has profit of it? May be it was Russian, may be it was Ukrainian, may be third side too. It's not so easy to know who was in the background.




It was all stuntmen and extras.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: feevers] * 1
    #27706390 - 03/24/22 12:47 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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I just arrived in Crimea because I wanted to get the truth. Notice the Ukraine flag next to my name, it's because I am in Crimea and when you are in Crimea you get a Ukraine flag next to your name.

I've been here for a few hours now and so far I've critically interviewed 327 citizens of Crimea. They all confided in me that they cannot give me truthful answers because Russian Nazi Gestapo lurk around every corner. It's shocking that MSM won't report on this, but they're in bed with Big Oil so obviously they don't want to rock the boat and cause more tensions.

Here's a picture of a place I just visited. Nevermind the fact that it's a watermarked travel agency picture and not just one I took myself, I am very much in Crimea right now spending my time Finding The Truth





After talking to hundreds of Crimeans the truth very clearly is that everything Russian is very bad, everything Ukranian is very good! I also heard about some videos on Telegram that show that Ukraine is very good and Russia is very bad. The debate is over.



It sounds like you didn't believe my story about Crimea, which is fine because I had the referendum and various polls to back up what I said.  Now Cyrus Janssen just interviewed an American who was in Crimea around the time of Maidan, and then moved to Donetsk for the last 8 years, and he said exactly the same think I did.



I think it's safe to say you are now in the make believe club with koods.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27706470 - 03/24/22 04:37 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Ukraine hit two ships at a port occupied by Russia with a missle, one was destroyed.

Looks like a significant attack



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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods]
    #27706552 - 03/24/22 07:25 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Wtf dude. No wonder you’re the laughing stock of the Shroomery






I don't think so koods.

He's all over this and is giving every one of you a run for your money and making a lot of sense.

Good on him, these last 10 pages have been a hoot :lol: :popcorn:

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27706563 - 03/24/22 07:39 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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That's another good video Falcon. I guess typically nobody will watch it and instead tune into the CNN war show for a completely one sided thorough analysis.

No sense letting the truth get in the road of a good story.

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