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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick]
#27704025 - 03/21/22 08:10 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: What did he say that you claim is 'misinformation'? This last statement is probably one of the most easily provable facts about the conflict. 
He said that a “flight windows do matter because the leadership of any given country needs time to make a responsible decision if a missile launch is detected”, as if it’s necessary to launch a second strike. Complete nonsense when a country has ensured continuity of government. Then he implied that the Ukrainian government was going to be given nuclear weapons if they joined NATO. 
It’s okay to be wrong sometimes but if someone’s wrong, doubles down on it, and then calls other people ignorant then I’m going to avoid discussing anything else important with them for as long as possible.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kwyjibo]
#27704044 - 03/21/22 08:28 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Hopefully, the people who claimed Russia is 'struggling' now realize they were doing their best to limit casualties,
Were they trying their best to limit casualties when they were bombing hospitals and apartment buildings?
A distorted question which ignores the fact that Ukrainian soldiers are holing up in hospitals and apartment buildings constantly. A shopping mall which was used as a storage base for Ukrainian artillery, for example, was just bombed in Kiev yesterday - but you wouldn't know that it was used by the Ukrainian army unless you followed certain accounts on twitter which contain the proof (they posted video footage of Ukrainian GRAD MRLS firing from the shopping mall's parking lot.)
A ton of evidence to this effect has been posted, too bad you will just continue to ignore it while throwing out your one-sided quips.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick]
#27704048 - 03/21/22 08:33 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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chopstick said: It's hard to say what the Russian strategy for the next couple of months is but it looks like they will leave most large cities alone (with the exception of Mariupol, which needs to be cleaned since Azov is there)
I can't imagine that Odessa isn't the next target.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kwyjibo]
#27704049 - 03/21/22 08:35 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kwyjibo said: Were they trying their best to limit casualties when they were bombing hospitals and apartment buildings?
Yes. But when hospitals and apartment building are used as military bases, they become legitimate military targets. Ukraine is committing some incredible human rights violations right now (I have another Telegraph channel for that - it's being censored on the mainstream sources). If you want an analysis on the hospital, here is a pretty good one showing it was almost certainly used as a military outpost.
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Kwyjibo said: Were they trying their best to limit casualties when they were bombing hospitals and apartment buildings?
Yes. But when hospitals and apartment building are used as military bases, they become legitimate military targets. Ukraine is committing some incredible human rights violations right now (I have another Telegraph channel for that - it's being censored on the mainstream sources). If you want an analysis on the hospital, here is a pretty good one showing it was almost certainly used as a military outpost.
So they weren't trying their best. Bombing a building regardless of who is inside the building isn't a particularly good method of limiting casualties. Starting a war in the first place, not a good way to limit casualties.
Edited by Kwyjibo (03/21/22 08:48 PM)
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kwyjibo] 1
#27704058 - 03/21/22 08:52 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Do you think that if the West puts its weapons right against Russia's borders, Russia should just look the other way and allow it to happen? Do you think that if the Ukrainian military uses hospitals, schools, apartment buildings, malls, etc. to attack from, the Russian Military should just look the other way?
If so, please stay out of our military, because we'd be quickly destroyed.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Do you think that if the West puts its weapons right against Russia's borders, Russia should just look the other way and allow it to happen?
Yes, Russia doesn't get to decide what other countries can do. Quote:
Do you think that if the Ukrainian military uses hospitals, schools, apartment buildings, malls, etc. to attack from, the Russian Military should just look the other way?
Russia shouldn't be there in the first place.
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If so, please stay out of our military, because we'd be quickly destroyed.
Don't worry, I have no plans of joining the Russian military.
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Both of you: "If the girl would just let you fuck her then it wouldn't be rape, which makes the rape totally her fault."
If russia succeeds in taking over ukraine, it would therefore have placed it's weapons at NATO's border, which by your logic would justify the invasion and destruction of russia.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Lynnch]
#27704068 - 03/21/22 09:15 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: That’s not a source.
That’s you linking to another post where I asked you for a source. Instead of wasting your time playing these stupid games you could have just provided links to these videos that probably don’t exist I don’t even care. it’s readily apparent to everyone that you are full of shit
Is there just one person here who was intellectually curious enough watch the videos on Telegram? If so, could you tell me how to post those videos here?
Koods obviously has no interest in checking it out for himself, even though I told him how. His signature should be "Extraordinarily proud of my ignorance, my ability to insult people, and especially my ability to make believe"
I don't think there is a way to link videos from telegram unless you download them manually & re-upload them somewhere. Could be wrong on that count, though.
At any rate, ASB military has now censored themselves because some people providing them information are European and apparently they are under threat of treason charges for their Ukrainian war coverage. Europe has gone full-blown fascist with their information control & threats of prosecution for thought crime.
These are the new channels they recommend:
https://t.me/anna_news https://t.me/intelslava https://t.me/Doninside https://t.me/milinfolive
If I could make some recommendations of where videos regarding the war in Ukraine can be easily found on twitter, it would be these accounts:
https://twitter.com/rwapodcast https://twitter.com/spriter99880 https://twitter.com/gbazov https://twitter.com/withinsyriablog
I will see if I can throw up some stuff from telegram later
I don’t use telegram. I was advised to delete it about a year ago since it’s a Russian product.
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Kwyjibo said: Were they trying their best to limit casualties when they were bombing hospitals and apartment buildings?
Yes. But when hospitals and apartment building are used as military bases, they become legitimate military targets. Ukraine is committing some incredible human rights violations right now (I have another Telegraph channel for that - it's being censored on the mainstream sources). If you want an analysis on the hospital, here is a pretty good one showing it was almost certainly used as a military outpost.
Anything from a source that isn’t an employee of the kremlin or a comedian?
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Lynnch] 1
#27704081 - 03/21/22 09:28 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lynnch said: Both of you: "If the girl would just let you fuck her then it wouldn't be rape, which makes the rape totally her fault."
Ya, I guess? You're saying if Russia lets the US fuck it by putting weapons on its border, then that makes the fucking Russia's fault for letting it happen?
As has been asked before, if Russia orchestrated a coup against the Mexican Government, put in a Russia friendly president, and put their weapons on our border, then the US should be ok with that?
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Lynnch said: If russia succeeds in taking over ukraine, it would therefore have placed it's weapons at NATO's border, which by your logic would justify the invasion and destruction of russia.

If you've been paying any attention at all, you'd know that Russia isn't demanding to take Ukraine. Here's all they're asking for:
- A neutral Ukraine (won't join NATO) - Recognition of Crimea as Russian territory - Recognition of Donetsk and Lugansk as independent - Denazification of Ukraine - Russian speech allowed in Ukraine; laws prohibiting it abolished - Demilitarization of Ukraine and abandonment of weapons that could be a threat to the Kremlin.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods]
#27704086 - 03/21/22 09:33 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: Anything from a source that isn’t an employee of the kremlin or a comedian?
He lists his sources in the analysis.
And as you know, he doesn't work for RT America anymore as that's been been shut down as part of America's censorship efforts. Can you maybe make just one post where you don't prove how ignorant you are?
As you can see from the video, his anti-war message hasn't changed, indicating he was probably telling the truth when he said RT let him speak his own mind, and not theirs.
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And as you know, he doesn't work for RT America anymore as that's been been shut down as part of America's censorship efforts
Source or make believe?
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods]
#27704113 - 03/21/22 10:22 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here's my source. Do you trust it?
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Tucker has been really good about covering the current situation. That's why people are calling him a traitor. If you actually bother to watch the video though, you'd see the opposite is true:
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Ukraine filming battles from drones is impressive info warfare. This tank gets decimated. You think it’s over then Russian soldier parts drop from the sky. 9681.5 dead Russian soldiers.
https://twitter.com/mikenh45/status/1504657690445836289?s=21
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods]
#27704164 - 03/21/22 11:25 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, the drone footage coming out of this conflict adds another layer to it. I saw this one where the Ukrainians ambush a Russian truck. At the same time you get a first person and birds eye view of the guy hitting it with a missile.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: As has been asked before, if Russia orchestrated a coup against the Mexican Government, put in a Russia friendly president, and put their weapons on our border, then the US should be ok with that?
Actually, I want you to answer that question. In that situation, would a US invasion of Mexico be justified? And after we bomb them to oblivion, we hold "peace talks" in which we demand the northern half of the country; would that be justified?
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: ... Here's all they're asking for:
Cool list. The bombardments and encirclement of the capital suggest otherwise. "Give us the land we've been trying to steal, and also give up all of your weapons, we promise we won't invade again "
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Lynnch]
#27704231 - 03/22/22 12:45 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: As has been asked before, if Russia orchestrated a coup against the Mexican Government, put in a Russia friendly president, and put their weapons on our border, then the US should be ok with that?
Actually, I want you to answer that question. In that situation, would a US invasion of Mexico be justified? And after we bomb them to oblivion, we hold "peace talks" in which we demand the northern half of the country; would that be justified?
Same thing. We start with negotiations. If Russia ignores us, we move to warnings. If Russia ignores us, we invade Mexico. If the new Russian Government fights us, we fight back.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: ... Here's all they're asking for:
Cool list. The bombardments and encirclement of the capital suggest otherwise. "Give us the land we've been trying to steal, and also give up all of your weapons, we promise we won't invade again "
How else do you get the objectives in the original list? Russia's asked this politely, then they threatened to invade. Our response was "fuck your security, we're taking control of Crimea one way or another in spite of the will of the people there.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: We start with negotiations. If Russia ignores us, we move to warnings. If Russia ignores us, we invade Mexico. If the new Russian Government fights us, we fight back.

Sounds like more war mongering. With nukes,
Not good
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