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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods] * 1
    #27674108 - 02/26/22 11:21 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Wow this is really pathetic. Invade a sovereign country. Commit war crimes. Just because somebody won’t pay attention to your maniacal needs.



National security is a maniacal need?  You're not as smart as I thought, but as I've repeatedly shown, you live in a world of make believe.

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You are either completely brainwashed or a GRU troll farm employee



If you're not smart enough to make rational arguments, you resort to insults.  As do many here.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods]
    #27674110 - 02/26/22 11:24 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Why would it be Putin’s job to defend Ukraine from a coup? You have a very selective opinion about countries getting involved in foreign conflicts.



I didn't say it was.  I was asking RJ Tubs 202 to explain his post.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27674112 - 02/26/22 11:25 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Can you post where you found the President didn't give his negotiators the power to negotiate?

You may be right, I'm just curious to see how you reached your conclusion.




https://www.npr.org/2022/02/07/1078929982/a-look-at-the-debate-over-nato-expansion-eastward-thats-at-the-heart-of-conflict
This one said James Baker floated the idea to Gorbachev in return for German unification. Gorbachev said he would think about it. When Baker got home HW Bush said no way.



Fair enough.  Did the US ever tell Russia we're backing down on our promise?  Russia doesn't seem to think so.
They now know they should never trust the US again.




Stop twisting what he said. You’re shameless.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods]
    #27674122 - 02/26/22 11:39 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

What did I twist?  I just agreed with Brian Jones.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27674138 - 02/26/22 11:50 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

No you didn’t


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods]
    #27674144 - 02/26/22 11:54 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I agreed that after the agreement, Bush said he was against it.  What did I twist?

You keep accusing me of lying, but so far every time you do it turns out you're the one lying.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27674248 - 02/26/22 01:03 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

There was no agreement.  Like Brian said, the idea was floated but the president said no. It was never part of any agreement. Nobody agreed to it.

If you don’t like being called a liar, then stop lying.

There is an agreement that was violated. Russia agreed to honor Ukraine’s borders in return for Ukraine surrendering their nukes.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27674641 - 02/26/22 06:04 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Brian Jones said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Can you post where you found the President didn't give his negotiators the power to negotiate?

You may be right, I'm just curious to see how you reached your conclusion.




https://www.npr.org/2022/02/07/1078929982/a-look-at-the-debate-over-nato-expansion-eastward-thats-at-the-heart-of-conflict
This one said James Baker floated the idea to Gorbachev in return for German unification. Gorbachev said he would think about it. When Baker got home HW Bush said no way.



Fair enough.  Did the US ever tell Russia we're backing down on our promise?  Russia doesn't seem to think so.
They now know they should never trust the US again.




What promise? There never was one.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27675313 - 02/27/22 10:35 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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This is a really interesting interview of Scott Ritter by Richard Medhurst.  Probably too long for most here to watch, but Scott really has an interesting perspective on the conflict. 

I'm posting this because he talks about America's assurances not to expand NATO Eastward (from 33:27-34:11).




very interesting video

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27675314 - 02/27/22 10:41 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Can you post where you found the President didn't give his negotiators the power to negotiate?

You may be right, I'm just curious to see how you reached your conclusion.




https://www.npr.org/2022/02/07/1078929982/a-look-at-the-debate-over-nato-expansion-eastward-thats-at-the-heart-of-conflict
This one said James Baker floated the idea to Gorbachev in return for German unification. Gorbachev said he would think about it. When Baker got home HW Bush said no way.


that is pretty dam interesting.  Thank you for the post.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Mach z 800] * 1
    #27675333 - 02/27/22 10:58 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Its pretty crazy watching those mig29s whizzing on by.

Watch "Russian KA-52 Alligator Shot Down By Ukraine" on YouTube
https://youtube.com/shorts/dMX9cEf8qVg?feature=share

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Mach z 800]
    #27675350 - 02/27/22 11:10 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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More than 3,500 Russian soldiers have been killed since the invasion of Ukraine began earlier this week, according to the Ukrainian military

Russia has also lost 14 airplanes, eight helicopters, 102 tanks, 536 armed vehicles, 15 heavy machine guns and one BUK missile since the invasion began, Ukraine's military said.

For comparison, fewer than 2,500 U.S. service members have died in Afghanistan, a war that spanned two decades


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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/ukraine-killed-3500-russians-ex-president-says-amid-fierce-kyiv-battles-1682981%3famp=1

I'm not sure if what I'm reading is accurate number wise yet , I've seen reports of higher numbers than this , pretty crazy if it is though .


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Psilynut2]
    #27675388 - 02/27/22 11:36 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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The head of Roscosmos, the Russian space agency, has suggested that the International Space Station (ISS) could fall out of orbit and crash into the United States or Europe as a result of sanctions on Russia.  The comments came following US president Joe Biden’s announcement of new sanctions that “will degrade their [Russia’s] aerospace industry, including their space programme”. 

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-international-space-station-crash-us-europe-sanctions-2022-2




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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Asante]
    #27675393 - 02/27/22 11:40 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Oh well .  Its not like we can just keep being space buddies after this .


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
    #27675413 - 02/27/22 11:53 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Putin is being humiliated on the world stage. Zelensky is getting all the praise. Putin made him a star. It’s a distaster


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods]
    #27675476 - 02/27/22 12:41 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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There was no agreement.  Like Brian said, the idea was floated but the president said no. It was never part of any agreement. Nobody agreed to it.

If you don’t like being called a liar, then stop lying.



Did you not read the text from the meeting that was posted?  Evidence of the agreement is clear.  It seems the President didn't agree, and we forgot to tell Russia we wouldn't uphold our promise.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27675490 - 02/27/22 12:48 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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What promise? There never was one.



From the documentation that was recently released:

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“We had made it clear during the 2+4 negotiations that we would not extend NATO beyond the Elbe [sic],” said West German diplomat Juergen Hrobog. “We could not therefore offer Poland and others membership in NATO.”




Call that whatever you like, if not a promise.  It looks like a promise to me.


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    #27675505 - 02/27/22 12:57 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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There was no agreement.  Like Brian said, the idea was floated but the president said no. It was never part of any agreement. Nobody agreed to it.

If you don’t like being called a liar, then stop lying.



Did you not read the text from the meeting that was posted?  Evidence of the agreement is clear.  It seems the President didn't agree, and we forgot to tell Russia we wouldn't uphold our promise.




Good luck with that


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27675526 - 02/27/22 01:12 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Call that whatever you like, if not a promise.  It looks like a promise to me.




I thought you were leaving ? More lying ...


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods]
    #27675613 - 02/27/22 02:11 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Putin is being humiliated on the world stage. Zelensky is getting all the praise. Putin made him a star. It’s a distaster





Yeah and now he's reaised nuclear status to high alert or some thing like that.

:picard:


This is going to get ugly. He's the type of guy who won't admit defeat but will rather nuke the fuck out of Ukraine if he has to.


FUCK

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