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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: feevers] 3
#27695137 - 03/14/22 02:54 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't get my information about Ukraine from the US, and I don't care about imaginary conversations you had in Crimea.
Just stop - you only make yourself look more delusional and ignorant with every post.
Somebody visits Crimea, *in-person*, to learn the truth about what people think - and you just dismiss it because it doesn't fit into the narrative you want it to fit into.
Speaks volumes to your character.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick]
#27695147 - 03/14/22 03:02 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Please quote any Ukrainian misinformation I've posted.
Not that it's going to help you at this point since you're so far gone, but here's some wise advice David Dunning (of the Dunning Kruger cognitive bias):
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There's a lot of information floating around. Some of it is deliberate misinformation. It's fraudulent. A lot of it is well-intentioned but misguided. But in there there is some truth. There is some policy that we should be listening to. I think a core issue is for each of us individually in our own homes to try to identify who are the voices we should be listening to, and who are the voices we should think are interesting but we're going to check on that, and also making sure that those voices that are expert somehow become noisier than a lot of the other noises out there.
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There's one thing that I would point out here. It's very easy, especially in these times, to latch onto whatever message that you get and not think about the credibility of its source. There's a lot of work in psychology showing that we pay a lot of attention to the strength of a message but we give short shrift to questions about the credibility of its source. I think we would do better if we thought more about that second question of credibility — and also if we were a little bit more expert in how to judge credibility.
One of the things that I would suggest is that how you judge credibility is by cross-referencing. This one person or this one source is saying this. What are other sources saying? Is there a consensus or not? Is this something that I hear from independent sources that are pretty much saying the same thing, or is this just some random, brand new, isolated piece of information? What we want to do there is, we want to check on it and check its credibility, its provenance, for example.
It's on COVID misinformation, which of course you're also a huge fan of, but rings true with the Ukraine situation as well.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick] 1
#27695152 - 03/14/22 03:05 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Russia has used that same missile for attacks too, according to various sources. That's all I'll say lol. You are talking like a brainwashed person, Chop
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick]
#27695153 - 03/14/22 03:05 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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chopstick said:
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feevers said:
I don't get my information about Ukraine from the US, and I don't care about imaginary conversations you had in Crimea.
Just stop - you only make yourself look more delusional and ignorant with every post.
Somebody visits Crimea, *in-person*, to learn the truth about what people think - and you just dismiss it because it doesn't fit into the narrative you want it to fit into.
Speaks volumes to your character.
I went to Russia yesterday and had a 3 hour long conversation with Putin. He told me he's been reading you and Falcon's posts, and that they're all lies.
You better not dismiss what I said, I traveled all the way to Russia to learn the truth! Just because it doesn't fit your narrative you'll probably accuse me of lying though.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: feevers] 3
#27695158 - 03/14/22 03:06 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I went to Disneyland once. AMA
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: pineninja]
#27695162 - 03/14/22 03:08 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Is that the place where it's different countries? Did you get drunk in the Germany part?
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Psicomb] 2
#27695170 - 03/14/22 03:12 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was too busy polling each of the staff members trying to get a a holistic view of their business model to get too drunk.... but yes I had stein or 2,)
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: feevers] 2
#27695178 - 03/14/22 03:21 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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feevers said:
I went to Russia yesterday and had a 3 hour long conversation with Putin. He told me he's been reading you and Falcon's posts, and that they're all lies.
You better not dismiss what I said, I traveled all the way to Russia to learn the truth! Just because it doesn't fit your narrative you'll probably accuse me of lying though.
You have a truly incredible gift - how to exponentially appear more ignorant with every post you make.
Using a retarded analogy to discredit something which really happened isn't doing you any favors.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick]
#27695195 - 03/14/22 03:35 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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The law of chopstickism:
Things chopstick wants to believe: It happened. 100%. Russia said so. Things chopstick doesn't want to believe: THOSE ARE LIES HOW COULD U BE SO DUMB People who state no strong opinions other than that people should question their sources: YOURE BRAINWASHED BY CNN WHY DO YOU BELIEVE AND POST SO MUCH UKRAINE MISINFORMATION YOU ARE SO IGNORANT
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: feevers] 2
#27695208 - 03/14/22 03:45 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Very accurate. For chopstick, evidence means chopstick typed it.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: feevers]
#27695272 - 03/14/22 04:53 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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feevers said: I don't get my information about Ukraine from the US, and I don't care about imaginary conversations you had in Crimea.
Ok, at least you imply your information about Ukraine from the US is shit. You don't have to believe I went to Crimea, because I have sources, such as Galup, that back what I've said. I'll bet you have no hard evidence showing less than about 95% of Crimeans want to stay with Russia.
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Only 95%? I would think that having one's region occupied by Russian troops would garner 100% compliance, I mean, desire to allow Russian annexation but I guess there must have been some people who really wanted to stay Ukrainian.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: ballsalsa]
#27695299 - 03/14/22 05:15 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: Only 95%? I would think that having one's region occupied by Russian troops would garner 100% compliance, I mean, desire to allow Russian annexation but I guess there must have been some people who really wanted to stay Ukrainian.
There were some people who wanted to stay Ukrainian, and I talked about it here.
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Just wanna chime in here and remind people that Russia is a right wing oligarchy waging a military offensive against a different right wing oligarchy.
This isn’t some ideological battle, it’s a conflict over resources and power between two groups with nearly identical political beliefs.
Like, when you watch a PBS documentary about ISIS and some crusty white dude says “it’s crazy that these Sunni Muslim groups are warring with one another when they have so much in common!” that’s what this is.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#27695335 - 03/14/22 05:41 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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And yet, people take sides.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
#27695373 - 03/14/22 06:07 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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feevers said: The law of chopstickism:
Things chopstick wants to believe: It happened. 100%. Russia said so. Things chopstick doesn't want to believe: THOSE ARE LIES HOW COULD U BE SO DUMB People who state no strong opinions other than that people should question their sources: YOURE BRAINWASHED BY CNN WHY DO YOU BELIEVE AND POST SO MUCH UKRAINE MISINFORMATION YOU ARE SO IGNORANT

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Kryptos said: Very accurate. For chopstick, evidence means chopstick typed it.
Coming from the two of you, these are practically compliments.
If I upset the local hivemind, then it means I'm on the right track. Reality is almost always the opposite of what they believe.
So do either of you have anything to say about how Ukraine deliberately massacred 23 people with banned cluster munitions today or are you going to keep make-believing your way into somehow pinning it on Russia based on some ridiculous incredulous lie?
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick]
#27695451 - 03/14/22 06:54 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Can't say I particularly care who did it. It's a war. People die.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
#27695689 - 03/14/22 09:55 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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You might not, but lots of people in this country are stupid. Azov could strafe a synagogue and the body count will be attributed to Putin, because, to the Western world, he started this conflict.
I mean, some Sunni insurgents killed like 3 Americans in a Libyan embassy and half the country blames Hillary Clinton for it.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#27695700 - 03/14/22 10:01 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lock her up
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: budmanman]
#27695741 - 03/14/22 10:35 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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