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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods]
    #27690138 - 03/10/22 07:27 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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A Jew winning 75% of the vote in a nazi state is a real sign of progress.



Ukraine isn't a Nazi state, but they do have was a Nazi problem.  Please watch the Scott Ritter video.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods]
    #27690149 - 03/10/22 07:34 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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You have twisted yourself into such a pretzel your head is up your own ass. You are politically allied with nazis and nobody should take you seriously.



Translation - I can't rebut what you just said, so I'll just throw some insults instead.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27690154 - 03/10/22 07:40 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Every war in the history of war could have been prevented by submitting to the demands of the aggressor.



Right, but I pointed out Russia's conditions for peace, which aren't super unreasonable to me and many others.  Russia doesn't even want Ukraine.  Do you think Ukraine ceasing military action is irrational, insulting, or stupid, like Kryptos does?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27690161 - 03/10/22 07:47 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Russia Will Stop 'In a Moment' if Ukraine Meets Terms
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1) Ukraine cease military action
2) Ukraine change its constitution to enshrine neutrality
3) Ukraine acknowledge Crimea as Russian territory
4) Ukraine recognize the separatist republics of Donetsk and Lugansk as independent states




Which of these do you believe is irrational?



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I think all four of those demands are various levels of irrationality, ranging from insulting to outright stupid



I wished you would explain, but let's look at them:

1) Ukraine cease military action

What irrational, insulting, or stupid about that?  Do you believe Ukrainians have the right to kill thousands of people in Donbas?  Nevermind, I think you haven't thought these through.  :shrug:

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Kryptos said:specifically the fifth demand (that you neglected to mention): the complete and permanent disarmament of Ukraine.



I didn't neglect to mention them, the news did.  Specifically US News & World Report, but I found many others that said the same.

Source, or make believe?




https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/international/596551-russia-demanding-that-ukraine-demilitarize%3famp


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27690164 - 03/10/22 07:50 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Every war in the history of war could have been prevented by submitting to the demands of the aggressor.



Right, but I pointed out Russia's conditions for peace, which aren't super unreasonable to me and many others.  Russia doesn't even want Ukraine.  Do you think Ukraine ceasing military action is irrational, insulting, or stupid, like Kryptos does?




Why does Russia have any right to make demands of a sovereign democratic nation under the threat of destruction.

You’re gross. Just the worst kind of apologist for fascism.

You’ve been making excuses for Russian war crimes for years.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27690167 - 03/10/22 07:51 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah, just casually give up some territory to foreign backed rebels. No biggie



That wasn't one of Russia's original requests.  In fact, Russia insisted Donbas stay with Ukraine under the Minsk agreements.  But Ukraine decided to kill thousands of people and ignored the Minsk agreements.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods]
    #27690172 - 03/10/22 08:01 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Kryptos said:specifically the fifth demand (that you neglected to mention): the complete and permanent disarmament of Ukraine.



I didn't neglect to mention them, the news did.  Specifically US News & World Report, but I found many others that said the same.

Source, or make believe?



https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/international/596551-russia-demanding-that-ukraine-demilitarize%3famp



That's currently not on the table anymore as a demand for peace.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27690173 - 03/10/22 08:01 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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What even is a neutral country and how does a mere declaration confer this neutral status?



Don't join NATO or the EU.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
    #27690175 - 03/10/22 08:03 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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So all he had to do was comply with the demands that didn’t exist to prevent the surprise invasion



She could have stopped the rape at any time by just agreeing to have sex.



Your example ignores what Ukraine has done to Donbas.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27690179 - 03/10/22 08:04 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Kryptos said:specifically the fifth demand (that you neglected to mention): the complete and permanent disarmament of Ukraine.



I didn't neglect to mention them, the news did.  Specifically US News & World Report, but I found many others that said the same.

Source, or make believe?



https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/international/596551-russia-demanding-that-ukraine-demilitarize%3famp



That's currently not on the table anymore as a demand for peace.




So it would seem that Russia is backing down in its demands. Sounds like fighting the Russian is rational. Another few weeks their only demand will be mercy at the war crimes tribunal


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods]
    #27690180 - 03/10/22 08:04 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Why does Russia have any right to make demands of a sovereign democratic nation under the threat of destruction.

You’ve been making excuses for Russian war crimes for years.



You don't know what Ukraine has done in Donbas either (hint - war crimes)


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27690185 - 03/10/22 08:07 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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So all he had to do was comply with the demands that didn’t exist to prevent the surprise invasion



She could have stopped the rape at any time by just agreeing to have sex.



Your example ignores what Ukraine has done to Donbas.




Yours ignores that rape is never justified


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27690188 - 03/10/22 08:07 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

So neutral in a 1980s Cold War sense?
How is a designation like that even relevant without a Soviet Union? What gives Russia any right to a specific sphere of political influence outside its own borders other than the ability to impose its will via military action?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27690189 - 03/10/22 08:07 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Russia Will Stop 'In a Moment' if Ukraine Meets Terms
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1) Ukraine cease military action
2) Ukraine change its constitution to enshrine neutrality
3) Ukraine acknowledge Crimea as Russian territory
4) Ukraine recognize the separatist republics of Donetsk and Lugansk as independent states




Which of these do you believe is irrational?



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I think all four of those demands are various levels of irrationality, ranging from insulting to outright stupid



I wished you would explain, but let's look at them:

1) Ukraine cease military action

What irrational, insulting, or stupid about that?  Do you believe Ukrainians have the right to kill thousands of people in Donbas?  Nevermind, I think you haven't thought these through.  :shrug:




Russia doesn't get to dictate what the Ukranian military does within Ukraine. That's one of those funny things with sovereign states being sovereign.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27690191 - 03/10/22 08:08 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Why does Russia have any right to make demands of a sovereign democratic nation under the threat of destruction.

You’ve been making excuses for Russian war crimes for years.



You don't know what Ukraine has done in Donbas either (hint - war crimes)




So you’re against war crimes, except those committed by Russia.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods]
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27690195 - 03/10/22 08:09 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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What gives Russia any right to a specific sphere of political influence outside its own borders other than the ability to impose its will via military action?



What gives the US a right to orchestrate a coup against an elected leader?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27690199 - 03/10/22 08:11 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

But what about [insert Jimmy Dore video]!

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27690200 - 03/10/22 08:11 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Exclusive: Facebook temporarily allows posts on Ukraine war calling for violence against invading Russians or Putin's death




Kill every single one of them and show the pictures. They’re the aggressors violating the sovereignty of a democratic nation


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
    #27690201 - 03/10/22 08:12 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Do you believe Ukrainians have the right to kill thousands of people in Donbas?  Nevermind, I think you haven't thought these through.  :shrug:



Russia doesn't get to dictate what the Ukranian military does within Ukraine. That's one of those funny things with sovereign states being sovereign.



:oogle:


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