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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kryptos] 1
#28676891 - 02/26/24 12:46 PM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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Kryptos said: Yeah, nobody is gonna waste money treating veterans like human beings.
Edit: one could even make the argument that treating veterans like human beings is counterproductive to military readiness. It implies that soldiers are individual human beings, and not replaceable cogs in the machine.
Umm, the primary objective of the military is mission accomplishment. The secondary objective is troop welfare. Yes, ones own wellbeing is secondary.
Are you stating that after the mission is done or a possible surrender, the men and woman that fought should not be taken care of?
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: SirTripAlot]
#28676895 - 02/26/24 12:50 PM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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That kind of depends on what you mean by "taken care of" and whether or not these men and women signed up to be soldiers for pay or were conscripted. If the former, they should get what they bargained for. If the later, it gets a whole lot more complicated.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: SirTripAlot] 1
#28676897 - 02/26/24 12:52 PM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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I am primarily pointing out that nobody who has the ability to do anything seems to give two shits about veterans, regardless of nation.
In my edit, I refer to the same priority structure that you just outlined, and heavily imply that part of the reason that nobody gives two shits about veterans is that they want the priority structure to remain clear and well-defined in the order that you mentioned.
Can't really have soldiers thinking of themselves, or others, as people on the battlefield.
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GenesisCorrupted said: I feel terrible for the Russian people. I think their government is evil.
I think it did an invasion on a sovereign nation with no do cause. I think you’re a hypocrite that supports a totalitarian regime, even though you enjoy going to sites like this in a democratic nation.
I never did see any proof that Russia wasn’t a police state.
So instead of calling people racist when there is clearly no evidence of it or a random animal. Defend yourself and your totalitarian regime that you admire so deeply. Do you have a crush on Putin or something?
What do you find so attractive about having far less freedom?
I called you Xenophobic because ummmm YOU CLEARLY ARE.
Now go tell your mother she needs you, and stop trying to cyber-root twighead in public, it’s cringe.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Blue_Lux] 2
#28676961 - 02/26/24 01:44 PM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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Lot of interesting things happening in Ukraine this morning.
The Russians destroyed (all caught on video),
1x M1A1 Abrams. This is its first recorded combat use in Ukraine and it was destroyed within minutes by FPV drones and artillery. The soldier who pulled it off is supposed to get a large monetary reward.
1x NASAMS anti-air launcher
1x Archer SPG artillery gun (first recorded kill)
1x French Caesar SPG
The Slovak prime minister is claiming that some NATO member states want to openly send their troops to Ukraine: https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1762170000020836609
If that's true, and I don't see why the Slovak PM would lie about it, then it is a very, very stupid idea. It's also confirmation of what I said before: Ukraine is losing, and losing badly to the point that some NATO members are panicking and debating sending their own troops to shore up Ukrainian forces.
Obviously such a decision if taken will almost certainly pull all of NATO into a hot war with Russia. I don't think they will be dumb enough to do it, but you never know - all sanity has left the building in Europia. The leaders of the Eurolemming nations are some of the most pathetic dumbfucks on the planet. People like Macron and Scholz make even a walking corpse like Biden look somewhat less retarded, and that's saying something.
I can't even put into words how unbelievably stupid, pathetic, delusional and self-defeating Europe has become, especially their leaders. There is no way they can save Ukraine but some of them would rather go to WW3 on behalf of the Nazi dictatorship regime in Kiev rather than admit defeat. I cannot believe how sadistically stupid these people truly are. They're playing with the lives of all of humanity because of their idiotic delusions.
Ideally, Russia will finish off Ukraine before these imbeciles have time to react and trigger a global war. The Russians still haven't started a serious offensive, and with Ukraine getting as weak as it is, a real offensive using all the troops Russia hasn't committed thus far would likely cut through large swaths of territory quickly. Finish them, Putin. As long as Ukraine exists, it's a threat to all of humanity, it's a threat that some ignorant retard in Estonia or Latvia or Poland might drag the entire planet into WW3 because they thought it would be a good idea to enter the war and fight Russia.
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Blue_Lux said: On Putin... He is a vampire. I'm not talking about a monster of fiction but a very pale, bloodthirsty, wicked tyrant with a mysterious accent. There is a reason the alcoholism in Russia is rampant: it has nothing to do with how cold it is. It is because they are controlled and the people wish for their reunion with the West. So did Ukraine. I'm not sure there is hope for Ukraine. I guess we'll find out here very soon.
Your posts on philosophy are interesting but when it comes to Russia and Putin you sound like the typical Western hypocrite who has no idea what they're talking about. The "Russians are alcoholics" trope for example was true in the 90's, but not now. That was thirty years ago. Get with the times.
It's funny because if you went to Russia and talked like this to actual Russian citizens they would laugh at you and think you were stupid. The Russian people have mostly united around Putin and against the West. Also, their political situation is a lot more stable and less destabilized than the United States itself is at this juncture. Their economy is also faring better than ours despite the sanctions.
You're right to say there is no hope for Ukraine. They were doomed the moment that the CIA Maidan regime change operation successfully pulled off a coup. Russia does not wish for a reunion with the West, this is a very ignorant thing to say. As for Ukraine's "reunion" with the West, this resulted in their peoples being sacrificed in a proxy war against Russia. It completely destroyed their country.
If you want to see a country that is tightly controlled, look no further than your own country, a country where we are merely given the illusion of free choice and 'democracy', but in reality who you're allowed to vote for president is usually a false "choice" between two puppets who both serve the elites and not the people. Anybody who tries to break this cycle is ruthlessly targeted and/or thrown in prison, or in the case of JFK, literally assassinated by their own intelligence agencies.
That's not democracy.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius] 1
#28676963 - 02/26/24 01:44 PM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick]
#28676968 - 02/26/24 01:53 PM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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The alcoholism rate is still quite high in Russia. Any thoughts about why?
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius] 1
#28676972 - 02/26/24 02:04 PM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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Not liking an army for invading a sovereign nation doesn’t mean your racist or xenophobic.
You can’t pull the race card and bow out of the argument.
However, there is lots of evidence that you are a hypocrite because you’re using a site about using psychedelic drugs. While defending a totalitarian regime, that doesn’t believe in having any of the freedoms this site is about.
That’s your weakest attempt to end the argument yet.
Why is a police state so attractive to you? Are you super racist? Do you hate gay people? Because there are things that Russia does that we don’t do. I’m trying to figure out what it is that you find so attractive.
Why won’t you give me a straight answer?
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GenesisCorrupted said: Why won’t you give me a straight answer?
Because I think you’re a 🤡 and I couldn’t be fucked.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
#28677002 - 02/26/24 02:32 PM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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Unimpressive rebuttal.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius] 1
#28677025 - 02/26/24 02:54 PM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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GenesisCorrupted said: Hey. I’m GenesisCorrupted, currently 33
I’m just trying to educate.
Make sure you tell your class of knobheads that you stupidly and whole heartedly believed Sleepy Joe when he was lying through his teeth about the death of Navalny, because education is important.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius] 1
#28677027 - 02/26/24 02:56 PM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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Because his death was totally natural...
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick]
#28677046 - 02/26/24 03:13 PM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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chopstick said: Lot of interesting things happening in Ukraine this morning.
The Russians destroyed (all caught on video),
1x M1A1 Abrams. This is its first recorded combat use in Ukraine and it was destroyed within minutes by FPV drones and artillery. The soldier who pulled it off is supposed to get a large monetary reward.
1x NASAMS anti-air launcher
1x Archer SPG artillery gun (first recorded kill)
1x French Caesar SPG
Not a single link
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Ice9] 2
#28677049 - 02/26/24 03:16 PM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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arctic penal colonies are totally natural, they grow like birch tree all over Siberia!
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28677059 - 02/26/24 03:25 PM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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Blue_Lux said: Because his death was totally natural...
Well what we have is conflicting narratives.
Who do we believe, the dishonest leader of Ukraine’s military OR the dishonest leader of the evil empire?
It’s a tough call. Either way it’s absolutely hilarious and embarrassing for the Biden Whitehouse and every dipshit leader in the western world that straight up blamed Russia.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Ice9] 1
#28677060 - 02/26/24 03:26 PM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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Blue_Lux said: The alcoholism rate is still quite high in Russia. Any thoughts about why?
Obviously not because it has anything to do with Putin, who need I remind you enjoys a 79% approval rating... something practically unheard of in our country.
The Russians are united and understand perfectly well who their enemy is. That's why they support both Putin and the war effort.
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chopstick said: Lot of interesting things happening in Ukraine this morning.
The Russians destroyed (all caught on video),
1x M1A1 Abrams. This is its first recorded combat use in Ukraine and it was destroyed within minutes by FPV drones and artillery. The soldier who pulled it off is supposed to get a large monetary reward.
1x NASAMS anti-air launcher
1x Archer SPG artillery gun (first recorded kill)
1x French Caesar SPG
Not a single link
Archer SPG targeted by Lancet
Abrams being monitored & targeted
NASAMS destroyed
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: twighead]
#28677064 - 02/26/24 03:33 PM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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twighead said: arctic penal colonies are totally natural, they grow like birch tree all over Siberia!
they need to be in sunnier spots with a Maccas
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Ice9]
#28677072 - 02/26/24 03:38 PM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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Ice9 said: Not a single link

Well this post didn’t age too well
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick] 2
#28677131 - 02/26/24 04:12 PM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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chopstick said:
Archer SPG targeted by Lancet
Abrams being monitored & targeted
NASAMS destroyed
15 sec video of gray blur with orange splotch.. "totally a destroyed Abrams bro" 
It might be. But god damn, for someone who screams about western propaganda all the time, you have no leg to stand on if random shit on twitter is what you base your opinions on. It should be obvious how easily this kind of video can be created or manipulated or simply mislabeled.
Also, you've never been to russia, and don't speak russian. It is hilarious that you think you can speak for the public there.
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