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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28646983 - 02/05/24 12:16 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

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Let’s not forget that that’s what they thought.
Keiv in two weeks time. That’s what they thought they could do.




Who exactly is "they"?





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Here’s your link.
https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/how-Putin-lost-in-10-days




So some nobody commentator... wow

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I have more of those quotes if you want them.




From another nobody commentator? No thanks, one's enough :hatsoff:

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28646986 - 02/05/24 12:20 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

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I have more of those quotes if you want them.




From another nobody commentator? No thanks, one's enough



:canthelpbutlaugh:
Dude, those were all verified Donald Trump quotes.
Here, Take a look for yourself.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28646998 - 02/05/24 12:41 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

So when you say 'they' thought they'd win in 2 weeks you don't mean Russia you meant Trump  :flowstone:

What a stupid answer.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28647009 - 02/05/24 12:55 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

Actually it's beyond stupid, you're doubling down on a dishonest answer.

Nowhere in that CNN article did Trump say ANYTHING about Russia winning in 2 weeks.

Unfortunately that makes you a shameless liar. Not a good look.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28647038 - 02/05/24 01:13 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

What are you talking about?

I said Donald Trump made those comments. That’s what I thought you were referencing.

Vladimir Putin thought he’d win the war in two weeks. He discussed it with people. He didn’t think anyone would intervene. He just thought everyone would be cool with it I guess.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #28647139 - 02/05/24 03:03 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

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It is absolutely naive to think that the intelligence community, which works with corporate America to engage in as much censorship and manipulation as possible and produces massive amounts of propaganda, doesn't view people with big followings that don't follow their narrative as a threat. They absolutely do and this power struggle is part of why our country is having issues at this time.




Sure, but the issue is that you think people like Tucker Carlson, Elon Musk, and Donald Trump pose an existential threat to corporate America - while simultaneously thinking leftist politics are favoured by the corporate world.




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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28647142 - 02/05/24 03:15 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

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Vladimir Putin thought he’d win the war in two weeks.




Firstly, Putin did not say this, ok? Certainly not this decade.

Secondly, it took just 6 days for elensky to start talking about an immediate ceasefire with Belarusian president Lukashenko, and a further week for ceasefire talks to begin with former Israeli PM Naftali Bennett acting as mediator.

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According to Israeli officials, Putin’s proposal is difficult for Zelensky to accept but not as extreme as they anticipated. They said the proposal doesn’t include regime change in Kyiv and allows Ukraine to keep its sovereignty


https://www.axios.com/2022/03/08/israel-russia-ukraine-ceasefire-critical-point

At this point Ukraine could have lost zero land and most importantly lives, however, Bennett later confirmed that it was the leadership of Germany, France & the U.S. that blocked the ceasefire proposal.

A month later a tentative peace agreement was signed by Ukrainian and Russian officials attending further rounds of talks in Turkiye



Russia withdrew troops from around Kyiv in good faith.

A few days later the shit hit the fan after Ukraine shot any civilians they believed had been sympathetic to Russian troops in Bucha, and any further ceasefire talks ended.

And if you're thinking 'surely Ukraine wouldn't shoot their own people'... well


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28647150 - 02/05/24 03:46 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)


Putin said “But if I wanted to, I could take Kiev in two weeks.“
How many weeks are we at now?

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28647159 - 02/05/24 03:57 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

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Vladimir Putin thought he’d win the war in two weeks.




Firstly, Putin did not say this, ok? Certainly not this decade.





Your quote is 10 years old. Milley said Russia would take Kyiv in 3 days just prior to the SMO.

I'm sure it was a waste of my time putting that previous post together, you aren't interested in looking at the facts.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28647161 - 02/05/24 04:00 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

I never put a date on when he said it.
That just means he’s been planning his invasion for a very long time. Didn’t seem to materialize into anything. Boy he had over a decade to plan it out too. I just told you that he said very confidently. He could take Keiv in two weeks. You’re the one who keeps stressing dates.

If someone said, “I could fuck your mother better than your dad.” But that was 10 years ago. I still would think about that if he’s near my mother.

Really, though. I know you know. How many weeks has it been?

Edited by GenesisCorrupted (02/05/24 04:11 AM)

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28647235 - 02/05/24 06:15 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

Is Russia still winning this war? What are we going on three years of winning?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28647245 - 02/05/24 06:28 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

Why argue semantics about the war time frame.  Let us just recall what actually happened.  Russia drove a massive ass armored column straight at Kyev.  Clearly someone high up in Russias military thought a) could do a decapitation strike or b) show of force to force Ukraine to capitulate.

What happened next is where we disagree.  Either the US and tptb of the western world sank talks

Or

Russia armored column got fucked up so badly that Ukraine said:  fuck it, these dudes are so incompetent we can fight this out.


And he we are, 2 years later still fighting it out.  Pretty clear Russia miscalculated this whole thing.  They tried their crimea playbook of sending "insurgents" in to destabilize the regions and still have had a tough row to hoe there.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #28647303 - 02/05/24 07:58 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

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Your quote is 10 years old.




you use 10 year old john mccain speeches as part of your house of cards to justify an invasion.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: mushboy]
    #28647385 - 02/05/24 09:16 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

I saw some pictures I can't get out of my head. Supposedly it is real. It was an entire ukrainian family shot dead... but they were all in their beds together. It was one of the most terrible things I have ever seen in my life. I hope to God, if God exists, which is most-likely not the case, it was fake. For the past 3 days I haven't been able to go more than 30 minutes without those images flashing into my head. Especially of 2 children next to their mom, and one a man and maybe his wife or girlfriend... And they were hugging each other. I just hope it wasn't real.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: mushboy]
    #28647492 - 02/05/24 11:10 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

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you use 10 year old john mccain speeches as part of your house of cards to justify an invasion.




    They use parts  of his speeches  taken out of context , if you read the text of the whole thing it doesn't look like a coup at all .


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28647562 - 02/05/24 12:05 PM (3 months, 9 days ago)

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According to Israeli officials, Putin’s proposal is difficult for Zelensky to accept but not as extreme as they anticipated. They said the proposal doesn’t include regime change in Kyiv and allows Ukraine to keep its sovereignty.

What they're saying: A senior Israeli official said Zelensky is at a crossroads and has to choose between two options:

Accept the Russian proposal, which is very tough, but preserve Ukraine’s sovereignty and stop the war.Reject the proposal and risk a serious escalation in the Russian attack that could end in a catastrophe for Zelensky and for Ukraine.




In what way would Ukraine have maintained sovereignty?


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    #28647565 - 02/05/24 12:08 PM (3 months, 9 days ago)

They'd have sovereignty to vote in a referendum that gave it to Russia.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: christopera] * 1
    #28647607 - 02/05/24 12:53 PM (3 months, 9 days ago)

Lol I like the "USA forced them not to sign peace!" Story. They can sign whatever they want, they're just not a bitch country that folds to a half assed invasion in 3 days... believe it or not they have their own will to fight completely independent of the west & their aid


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: twighead] * 1
    #28647611 - 02/05/24 12:55 PM (3 months, 9 days ago)

Ukraine stomped that armored convoy that was 20km long or whatever in 3 days flat with no outside provisioning beyond what was already given to them.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Ice9]
    #28647628 - 02/05/24 01:07 PM (3 months, 9 days ago)

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Lol I like the "USA forced them not to sign peace!" Story. They can sign whatever they want, they're just not a bitch country that folds to a half assed invasion in 3 days... believe it or not they have their own will to fight completely independent of the west & their aid




No. They're just a bitch country that folded to a foreign-backed coup, then unleashed a war on their own peoples killing thousands of civilians in the process, and now their dictator of a president is dead set on sacrificing hundreds of thousands of his people in a war they can't win while he and his corrupt officials loot millions of dollars in aid.

As you know, the ceasefire negotiation story is from March 2022 and was scuttled after BoJo's visit. So yes, they are also a bitch ass country that refuses a ceasefire based on the will of their foreign backers.

Ukraine is a joke. Luckily future generations won't have to deal with it as it is most likely at this juncture that it will simply cease to exist.

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Ukraine stomped that armored convoy that was 20km long or whatever in 3 days flat with no outside provisioning beyond what was already given to them.




Lol. I like how you're casually just re-writing history. There was never any attempt to move into Kyiv city itself by the Russians. They entrenched on the outskirts. Something which the Ukrainians couldn't stop them from doing, by the way.

When they withdrew from Kyiv environs, they did it of their own accord, not because of military pressure. And then the Ukrainians used the opportunity to stage a massacre of all the "collaborators" in Bucha, killing anyone who so much as talked to the Russians, and then blamed the massacre on Russia.

There is no limit to Ukrainian cynicism or its willingness to murder its own people, like how they just massacred 65 of their own PoW's just to kill the few Russians that were onboard.

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