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The Ecstatic
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: sudly] 1
#28630917 - 01/22/24 11:05 AM (5 days, 9 hours ago) |
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sudly said: Anyone see the Italian rally with hundreds of nazi salutes?
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Outrage in Italy after hundreds give fascist salute at a rally in Rome

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna132992
Time to free Italy! 
We like fascists in Europe because they beat back the socialists.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#28630931 - 01/22/24 11:16 AM (5 days, 9 hours ago) |
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I like how choppy has taken to "inexperienced" as a dismissal. Perhaps they're getting on in age. Bit long in the tooth.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kryptos] 3
#28630954 - 01/22/24 11:36 AM (5 days, 9 hours ago) |
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I doubt chops's as old as me. Probably younger than you. He writes like a 20 year old who just discovered politics but claims to have voted for Obama once, iirc so that would mean close to 30, at least, if true.
I'm old enough to have owned and worn out this shirt:
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: ballsalsa]
#28630991 - 01/22/24 12:10 PM (5 days, 8 hours ago) |
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I remember listening to Rush for comic relief during that time, and he literally said " it should feel good after filling your tank" seriously lol.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: ballsalsa]
#28631002 - 01/22/24 12:18 PM (5 days, 8 hours ago) |
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ballsalsa said: I doubt chops's as old as me. Probably younger than you. He writes like a 20 year old who just discovered politics but claims to have voted for Obama once, iirc so that would mean close to 30, at least, if true.
I'm old enough to have owned and worn out this shirt:

I assumed it was around 33-34.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Ice9]
#28631028 - 01/22/24 12:38 PM (5 days, 8 hours ago) |
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Ice9 said:
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Stable Genius said:
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Ice9 said: Sure... If ignore the fact that this is precisely what Russia did to Bakhmut, before they ran low on munitions and were forced to to be far more strategic with them. Now they have to use shahed drones to target civilians, so the death tokl stays lower than otherwise.
What a load of garbage.
I know RT doesn't report on the weapon shortages, so I never expected you to be aware of them.
I guess you’ve forgotten the garbage claims during the first few months about Russia running out of missiles? They must’ve run out by now surely?
You’ll find it’s actually the west that is unable to maintain the supply of weapons.
Prove it to yourself (because you won’t believe me) by looking into Patriot missile numbers required, being fired, being produced.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Ice9]
#28631059 - 01/22/24 01:06 PM (5 days, 7 hours ago) |
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Are your eyes painted on?
Off you go, report back.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: mushboy]
#28631066 - 01/22/24 01:18 PM (5 days, 7 hours ago) |
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mushboy said: i wonder if you consider proud boys to be a nazi group.
According to MAGA lore, trump supporting Nazis are actually fbi agents
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Stable Genius said:
I guess you’ve forgotten the garbage claims during the first few months about Russia running out of missiles? They must’ve run out by now surely?
You’ll find it’s actually the west that is unable to maintain the supply of weapons.
Prove it to yourself (because you won’t believe me) by looking into Patriot missile numbers required, being fired, being produced.
They’re using ancient missiles. And they’re buying expired munitions from North Korea. One of the most infamously bad people to be doing business with.
They are out of missiles.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods] 1
#28631078 - 01/22/24 01:40 PM (5 days, 7 hours ago) |
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koods said:
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mushboy said: i wonder if you consider proud boys to be a nazi group.
According to MAGA lore, trump supporting Nazis are actually fbi agents
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Stable Genius
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Stable Genius said:
I guess you’ve forgotten the garbage claims during the first few months about Russia running out of missiles? They must’ve run out by now surely?
You’ll find it’s actually the west that is unable to maintain the supply of weapons.
Prove it to yourself (because you won’t believe me) by looking into Patriot missile numbers required, being fired, being produced.
They’re using ancient missiles. And they’re buying expired munitions from North Korea. One of the most infamously bad people to be doing business with.
They are out of missiles.
11th Jan 2024

They aren’t running out of missiles.
Here’s something to also consider.
The weapons Russia has received from countries like North Korea and Iran have given them additional capabilities to the weapons they already possess. Russia took the Shaheed drone from Iran, and improved its design. They’ve ripped the prop driven engine out and dropped a jet engine in.

It will take the collective west not months but years to match Russia’s weapons production. What do you think they’ve been doing for the last decade + since the U.S. began backing Kyiv?
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It will take the collective west not months but years to match Russia’s weapons production. What do you think they’ve been doing for the last decade + since the U.S. began backing Kyiv?
massive lulz
"In 2022 the following new military aircraft were delivered: Su-57 x 6 (KnAAZ) Su-35S x 7 (KnAAZ) Su-34M x 10 (NAZ) Su-30SM2 x 4 (IAP)"
The US delivered 142 F-35s alone in the same year.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: twighead]
#28631356 - 01/22/24 06:31 PM (5 days, 2 hours ago) |
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Russia couldn't out produce us when it comes to anything . Thats completely ridiculous .
https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Russia/United-States/Industry
Edited by Psilynut2 (01/22/24 06:32 PM)
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Psilynut2]
#28631411 - 01/22/24 07:10 PM (5 days, 1 hour ago) |
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Psilynut2 said: Russia couldn't out produce us when it comes to anything . Thats completely ridiculous .
https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Russia/United-States/Industry
I said weapons, wtf does your link have to do with this?
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: twighead]
#28631427 - 01/22/24 07:23 PM (5 days, 1 hour ago) |
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twighead said:
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Stable Genius said:
It will take the collective west not months but years to match Russia’s weapons production. What do you think they’ve been doing for the last decade + since the U.S. began backing Kyiv?
massive lulz
"In 2022 the following new military aircraft were delivered: Su-57 x 6 (KnAAZ) Su-35S x 7 (KnAAZ) Su-34M x 10 (NAZ) Su-30SM2 x 4 (IAP)"
The US delivered 142 F-35s alone in the same year.
Would you classify aircraft the same as missiles? I wouldn’t. Same with 155mm shells.
Lockheed Martin are flat out producing somewhere around 600 Patriot missiles a year.
From memory the EU was only able to produce about 1/3 of the 155mm shells they promised.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
#28631441 - 01/22/24 07:41 PM (5 days, 59 minutes ago) |
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#28631442 - 01/22/24 07:42 PM (5 days, 59 minutes ago) |
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Psilynut2 said: Russia couldn't out produce us when it comes to anything . Thats completely ridiculous .
https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Russia/United-States/Industry
Yes. We're outproducing Russia on everything except for tanks, IFV's, artillery shells, air defense missiles, air defense systems, artillery guns, multiple rocket launcher platforms, electronic warfare systems, cruise + ballistic missiles, and drones of all types including strike, recon and suicide.
Lmao. 
I actually wrote in one of my posts a few months ago that Russia was making more of everything than us except for jet aircraft and surface vessels. And it turned out to be true. The company behind the Lancet drone actually bragged that they were on track to manufacture 1 million Lancets in the next year. To have that many suicide drones is practically unthinkable for us.
It's actually comical how few munitions the US/NATO have in some areas, and how few we are producing due to the massive costs incurred by MIC bloat. We only have 3500 Tomahawks for example, which is enough for a few weeks of fighting with either Russia or China at best. Even less now after we bombed Yemen the other day. And we're manufacturing like 1 per day. This is also why we are having such a difficult time keeping Ukraine supplied with PGM's and air defense missiles. It will soon be totally impossible to resupply them with these critical weapons.
You can't win a war with airpower alone. Russia understands this.
Russia not only outproduces us on almost all of the most important systems but they do it at 1/20th the price. It shouldn't cost 8 million for a single PAC-3 interceptor. Our military industrial complex is a fucking scam.
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ballsalsa said: I doubt chops's as old as me. Probably younger than you. He writes like a 20 year old who just discovered politics but claims to have voted for Obama once, iirc so that would mean close to 30, at least, if true.
I'm old enough to have owned and worn out this shirt:
I'm a 32 year old millennial.
You perceive me as a "20 year old who just discovered politics" because I have managed to maintain my ability to actually care about shit. For you supporting Nazis in Ukraine guilty of rape/torture/murder is just par for the course. You don't care. It's just normal empire shit, I guess.
It's tough to bother caring all the time, I'll give you that. Being in a state of perpetual anger and annoyance is draining. Maintaining any kind of hope for the future is also draining.
I rag on GC for being inexperienced because it's obvious he actually is an 18-22 zoomer who just discovered politics, and it shows. No offense to the guy.
My theory is that millennials are a little bit more well rounded and varied in their politics because we didn't get access to social media until we were almost graduating high school. We got to experience the internet in its glory days before it became what it is now.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick]
#28631454 - 01/22/24 08:07 PM (5 days, 34 minutes ago) |
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almost graduating high school? im older than you and i had internet in middle school where you live?
are proud boys nazis?
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick]
#28631525 - 01/22/24 09:41 PM (4 days, 22 hours ago) |
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Yes. We're outproducing Russia on everything except for tanks
The Lima tank plant is producing about 135 tanks a year because that's all anyone is paying for . No is asking for more to be built . It use to produce 840 a year and I've read if runs 24/7 it will produce around 1100.
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However, when cross-referencing these calculations with other sources, a different picture emerges. The Swedish research institute FOI, in its report on the military potential of russia after 1.5 years of war against Ukraine, estimates a much smaller annual tank production of around 520 new vehicles per year:
https://en.defence-ua.com/industries/analyzing_russian_report_of_2100_tanks_produced_in_2023_and_wheres_the_catch_in_these_data-8511.html
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