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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: twighead] * 1
    #28629398 - 01/21/24 03:38 AM (6 days, 17 hours ago)

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And obviously taking Kyiv would make for the most rapid end to the war... that is if they were capable lol




Pffft dumb suggestion, look how much drama Israel has had flattening Gaza. All they’ve done in 3 months is murdered a heap of women and children, and turned an 80x20km strip into a guerrilla war against an army with next to no decent weapons.

How exactly is Russia supposed to do this without killing a million civilians?
Israel’s brutality highlights the fact that Russia IS NOT indiscriminately bombing urban areas.

Their goal of demilitarising Ukraine hasn’t changed. How would attacking Kyiv help achieve this? I’ll tell you right now it won’t.

And don’t start with the battle of Kyiv crap, it didn’t happen.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #28629411 - 01/21/24 04:20 AM (6 days, 16 hours ago)

IDK about Russia IS NOT indiscriminately bombing urban areas, but the civilian death toll in Gaza in 3 months is a little over double the number in Ukraine since war started. So I'll give you the general point.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28629447 - 01/21/24 06:17 AM (6 days, 14 hours ago)

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Stable Genius said:
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twighead said:
And obviously taking Kyiv would make for the most rapid end to the war... that is if they were capable lol




Pffft dumb suggestion, look how much drama Israel has had flattening Gaza. All they’ve done in 3 months is murdered a heap of women and children, and turned an 80x20km strip into a guerrilla war against an army with next to no decent weapons.

How exactly is Russia supposed to do this without killing a million civilians?
Israel’s brutality highlights the fact that Russia IS NOT indiscriminately bombing urban areas.

Their goal of demilitarising Ukraine hasn’t changed. How would attacking Kyiv help achieve this? I’ll tell you right now it won’t.

And don’t start with the battle of Kyiv crap, it didn’t happen.




Gaza is not really in any way synonymous to Kyiv

So what you're now saying is that the attack on Kyiv actually didn't happen?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: twighead] * 1
    #28629464 - 01/21/24 06:38 AM (6 days, 14 hours ago)

That's the word from Moscow.  Iirc, it was all a brilliant ruse and the loss of armored columns and elite paratroopers was always the plan.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: nooneman]
    #28629504 - 01/21/24 07:51 AM (6 days, 12 hours ago)



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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Brian Jones] * 2
    #28629599 - 01/21/24 09:09 AM (6 days, 11 hours ago)

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IDK about Russia IS NOT indiscriminately bombing urban areas, but the civilian death toll in Gaza in 3 months is a little over double the number in Ukraine since war started. So I'll give you the general point.



The civilian death toll difference from bombing campaigns is largely a function of Russia's lack of air superiority.  If Russia was able to fly bombers over Ukraine at will, the carnage would likely be much greater.  Instead they have been relegated to firing missiles and artillery (inaccurate in both cases).  Israel has been able to "carpet" bomb at will from the air.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: twighead] * 1
    #28629721 - 01/21/24 10:52 AM (6 days, 9 hours ago)

The UkroNazis just bombed a market in Donetsk killing 25 civilians https://twitter.com/squatsons/status/1749109511737028863

Bombing busy crowded markets full of civilians... a UkroNazi tradition since 2014.

Just another reminder that the only "cure" for Ukraine at this point is for Russia to put it down. Progress is being made on that front - there are Russian advances on almost every front today. The Ukrainian defense continues to crumble.

Avdiivka especially is feeling the heat. This is just another act of petulant rage on behalf of the UkroNazis as they are losing and won't be able to bomb Donetsk for much longer.



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The civilian death toll difference from bombing campaigns is largely a function of Russia's lack of air superiority.  If Russia was able to fly bombers over Ukraine at will, the carnage would likely be much greater.  Instead they have been relegated to firing missiles and artillery (inaccurate in both cases).  Israel has been able to "carpet" bomb at will from the air.




Absolute nonsense. If Russia wanted to massacre thousands of civilians every week, they could. It would just be a matter of putting in the right co-ordinates for the Iskanders, Kalibrs, FAB's, etc.

If they wanted to, they could go block by block in Kiev and level every single apartment building that exists with long-range missiles and glide bombs.

They don't, because they're not a bunch of barbarians like Israel.



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Gaza is not really in any way synonymous to Kyiv

So what you're now saying is that the attack on Kyiv actually didn't happen?





This has been discussed here a million times. Russia never had the forces in place that would be required for a proper assault on Kyiv city itself but rather had just enough forces in place to put pressure on Zelensky to sign a peace deal quickly.

When they decided this strategy wasn't going to work and there would be no peace, they withdrew to focus on the Eastern front. It should be noted that they didn't withdraw from Kyiv environs because they were forced back, but for political reasons.

You could say Russia blundered by not committing enough forces at the start of the war and for being naive to think they could get Zelensky to commit to a peace agreement quickly, as this ultimately also led to withdrawals from Kherson and Kharkov due to a lack of forces in theater compared to Ukraine.

However, they fixed this mistake via mobilization and since withdrawing from Kherson/Kharkov have killed so many Ukrainians which combined with mobilization of their own has tipped the balance of forces in Russia's favor dramatically. Now they are poised to win the war militarily, while Ukraine finds itself facing a crisis due to an acute lack of manpower and armored vehicles/SAM systems.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick]
    #28629727 - 01/21/24 10:57 AM (6 days, 9 hours ago)

Sure... If ignore the fact that this is precisely what Russia did to Bakhmut, before they ran low on munitions and were forced to to be far more strategic with them.  Now they have to use shahed drones to target civilians, so the death tokl stays lower than otherwise.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: twighead] * 2
    #28629796 - 01/21/24 12:31 PM (6 days, 8 hours ago)

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twighead said:
Gaza is not really in any way synonymous to Kyiv

So what you're now saying is that the attack on Kyiv actually didn't happen?





I'm starting to believe it's not worth even responding to Stable Genius.
They are totally clueless to reality and/or choosing to be ignorant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kyiv_(2022)


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #28629802 - 01/21/24 12:41 PM (6 days, 7 hours ago)

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This has been discussed here a million times. Russia never had the forces in place that would be required for a proper assault on Kyiv city itself but rather had just enough forces in place to put pressure on Zelensky to sign a peace deal quickly.





Oh is that the excuse now?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: twighead]
    #28629890 - 01/21/24 02:01 PM (6 days, 6 hours ago)

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twighead said:
Quote:

Stable Genius said:
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twighead said:
And obviously taking Kyiv would make for the most rapid end to the war... that is if they were capable lol




Pffft dumb suggestion, look how much drama Israel has had flattening Gaza. All they’ve done in 3 months is murdered a heap of women and children, and turned an 80x20km strip into a guerrilla war against an army with next to no decent weapons.

How exactly is Russia supposed to do this without killing a million civilians?
Israel’s brutality highlights the fact that Russia IS NOT indiscriminately bombing urban areas.

Their goal of demilitarising Ukraine hasn’t changed. How would attacking Kyiv help achieve this? I’ll tell you right now it won’t.

And don’t start with the battle of Kyiv crap, it didn’t happen.




Gaza is not really in any way synonymous to Kyiv

So what you're now saying is that the attack on Kyiv actually didn't happen?




I said the ‘Battle of Kyiv’ didn’t happen. There was no ‘battle’.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #28629891 - 01/21/24 02:01 PM (6 days, 6 hours ago)

No one makes excuses  for Joe Biden , not even his supporters but when it comes to Putin and Trump  theres a waterfall of the dumbest excuses imaginable  for literally every stupid thing .
 

   
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Reporter: Ukrainian drone assaults are killing thousands of Russians, and yet they keep coming







So poised to win ! Maybe they can start building walls out all those bodies to hide behind .


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #28629892 - 01/21/24 02:03 PM (6 days, 6 hours ago)

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twighead said:
Gaza is not really in any way synonymous to Kyiv

So what you're now saying is that the attack on Kyiv actually didn't happen?





I'm starting to believe it's not worth even responding to Stable Genius.
They are totally clueless to reality and/or choosing to be ignorant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kyiv_(2022)




Do me a favour and put me on ignore, please.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28629899 - 01/21/24 02:08 PM (6 days, 6 hours ago)

Good thing Russia has infinite resources otherwise this might not be considered winning:
Racing Back And Forth Along A Single Road In Stepove, The Ukrainians Knock Out 13 Russian Vehicles For Every One They Lose


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: nooneman]
    #28629915 - 01/21/24 02:18 PM (6 days, 6 hours ago)

Theyre talking abt WW3 on tv right now


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: nooneman]
    #28629918 - 01/21/24 02:19 PM (6 days, 6 hours ago)

I say the US lets all the tatted up prison nazis go fight in Ukraine :biden:


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #28629919 - 01/21/24 02:22 PM (6 days, 6 hours ago)

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Stable Genius said:
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lifeiswhatyoumake said:
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twighead said:
Gaza is not really in any way synonymous to Kyiv

So what you're now saying is that the attack on Kyiv actually didn't happen?





I'm starting to believe it's not worth even responding to Stable Genius.
They are totally clueless to reality and/or choosing to be ignorant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kyiv_(2022)




Do me a favour and put me on ignore, please.





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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: nooneman]
    #28629921 - 01/21/24 02:24 PM (6 days, 6 hours ago)

Finland working w Poland in 2024 its gonna be interesting
Zelenskyy doesnt think Trump can stop the war :pillpopper:


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: nooneman]
    #28629922 - 01/21/24 02:26 PM (6 days, 6 hours ago)

Google russian prison tattoos
All kinds of cool shit comes up
Prisoner vs Prisoner who would win?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: nooneman] * 1
    #28629933 - 01/21/24 02:34 PM (6 days, 6 hours ago)

All jokes aside i want this war to end. Its bullshit like the dude from tht Maripol doc was saying Putin is clearly insane i realize most ppl r operating from a pov tht they dont want 2 be poisoned or thrown from a building Someone has got 2 say enough is enough
Over in the C&C section there was talk of this being putins body double @ work. Tht could b true.


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