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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Markamello]
#27678604 - 03/01/22 05:34 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Markamello said: The link the the video that synchro posted is broken. Do you have another link?
Smoko.
Try this one
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Psilynut2]
#27678607 - 03/01/22 05:36 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Psilynut2 said: When the other side is telling lies and killing civilians as they launch an invasion into their neighbor I really don't give a fuck about their side of the argument . That's honestly stupid .
Fine, if you're happy not looking at it, it's no skin off my nose.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods]
#27678611 - 03/01/22 05:39 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Stable Genius said: No excuse for what? The U.S. government meddling in other countries affairs? I agree.
Also, I still think Putin’s a cunt and he should not have invaded Ukraine.
This has nothing to do with the US. This is about Putin’s imperialistic desires
I think the U.S. government has stuck their beak into this and that's worth looking at.
Putin bad, everyone agrees yes? We can keep hating Russia etc later, it's old news.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius] 1
#27678626 - 03/01/22 05:46 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why later? Seems like now is the appropriate time.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods] 1
#27679154 - 03/02/22 04:38 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Stable Genius said: No excuse for what? The U.S. government meddling in other countries affairs? I agree.
Also, I still think Putin’s a cunt and he should not have invaded Ukraine.
This has nothing to do with the US. This is about Putin’s imperialistic desires
putin is fighting nazis an white supremacist so in a way i think what hes doing is a good thing. Like i said they are treating people from Africa in Ukraine like slaves we cant have this.
Watch "Black Africans escaping war in Ukraine denied Entry into Poland." on YouTube
Watch "Fleeing African and Indian students face racism at Ukraine border" on YouTube
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Mach z 800] 1
#27679176 - 03/02/22 05:28 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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So if I'm shelling Hitler, but I miss and explode your mothers skull like a grape right in front of you.. all good? Can you show me which ones they are shelling and shooting that were the Nazis? Can you point me to their Auschwitz? There are racist organizations in the US like the KKK and Planned Parenthood, time for China to invade? Joseph Herzl's Zionists, perfect excuse to murder women and children en masse, eh? Two wrongs don't make a right, and making weak unjustified comparisons will never make you right either.
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larry.fisherman said: So if I'm shelling Hitler, but I miss and explode your mothers skull like a grape right in front of you.. all good? Can you show me which ones they are shelling and shooting that were the Nazis? Can you point me to their Auschwitz? There are racist organizations in the US like the KKK and Planned Parenthood, time for China to invade? Joseph Herzl's Zionists, perfect excuse to murder women and children en masse, eh? Two wrongs don't make a right, and making weak unjustified comparisons will never make you right either.
Watch "Inside A White Supremacist Militia in Ukraine" on YouTube
This what putin is trying to stop we must stick up for the Africans stranded in Ukraine.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Mach z 800] 2
#27679293 - 03/02/22 07:51 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why are the black people running from the Russians that are there to help them ? Honestly though you should be banned to the conspiracy forum .
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
#27679345 - 03/02/22 08:31 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Stable Genius said: I'm not making excuses for Putin, nor was Aaron Mate, nor was Oliver Stone.
Everyone agrees that he has gone too far.
All I was trying to say was there's a lot that has gone on before this to lead to this point and after watching that other doco that syncro posted yeah, there IS a neo-Nazi element in Ukraine. Western Ukraine sided with the Nazi's in WW2.
OK, but I'm with Psicomvb. The invasion has nothing to do with Ukranian neo-Nazi tendencies.
In the U.S. many German Americans sided with the Nazis since the 30's. Since then disaffected non-Germans found a home in the American extreme right. Ukranians would have more reasons than people here do to feel this way, both socioeconomic and from being part of the Soviet Union for 70 something years. But it has nothing to do with why Putin invaded.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
#27679372 - 03/02/22 08:53 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm not making excuses for Putin, nor was Aaron Mate, nor was Oliver Stone
Bullshit , the entire Dore video was an attempt to justify the invasion . Your lying . The Oliver stone video is from 2016 , not exactly relevant .
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Psilynut2]
#27679391 - 03/02/22 09:09 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dore is ridiculously out of touch from what Ive seen. Idk why my man Joe Brogan endorses him so often
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Near Dylan]
#27679408 - 03/02/22 09:20 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Near Dylan said: Idk why my man Joe Brogan endorses him so often
Because they're feeding each others pockets dummy
Both of them are balling out harder than ever right now on sensationalism and opinions
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Psicomb]
#27679410 - 03/02/22 09:21 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Joe Rogan? Doing something for money? Unthinkable....
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Near Dylan]
#27679417 - 03/02/22 09:26 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ya, who would've guessed? People like getting paid shitloads. Glad you caught my facetiousness.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: shivas.wisdom] 1
#27679775 - 03/02/22 02:28 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: Calling Euromaidan a US orchestrated coup is a distortion of reality. If your comments are a one-sided misrepresentation, intentional or not you are engaging in apologism. Now, full disclosure, I don't have an internet connection that allows for quick streaming of video, so I haven't watched the documentary in question - but I am familiar with the events. Perhaps, if the documentary "lays out exactly" how things happened, you can provide a brief summary here.
Otherwise, to continually repeat the refrain that this was a US orchestrated coup without acknowledging that then-President Yanukovych's decision to delay ratification of an admission treaty with the EU is largely seen as the initial trigger for protests, is to provide a one-sided truth.
To pretend that US funded a violent revolution without acknowledging that Ukrainian state police were responsible for the initial escalation into violence, is to provide a one-sided truth.
To pretend that the Russian state is acting to protect ethnic Russians in Ukraine from nazis without acknowledging that ultranationalist fascist groups are well represented on both sides of this conflict, is to provide a one-sided truth.
Repeating one-sided truths isn't an exercise in fact finding - it's engagement with propaganda networks.
I played the video again thinking I'd put together a brief summary but there are too many details, too many names, too many connected players, too many turn of events, etc etc. Anyone who watched it would agree... like shit it's an Oliver Stone documentary that goes for an hour 33 minutes, it's detail after detail non stop. I'll pick one point and try my best to give you a decent response.
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To pretend that US funded a violent revolution without acknowledging that Ukrainian state police were responsible for the initial escalation into violence, is to provide a one-sided truth.
According to Oliver Stone the Ukrainian state police were not the initiators of the violence.
You are most likely aware of some of this but, to get a better insight into the events of 2014 we have to go back to the the tightly contested 2004 election between Russian leaning Eastern Ukraine(confusing yes)Victor Yanukovych and U.S. backed anti-Semitic Western Ukraine Victor Yushenko(his wife worked previously for the U.S. State Department and yes he was backed by the U.S. government)
The one term President Yushenko failed to deliver on important reforms for his country and in 2010 Yanukovych won easily in a ballot that the international community accepted as legitimate. It's important to note that one of the last things Yushenko did for his supporters in Western Ukraine before he left office was to sign a decree declaring Hero of Ukraine along with Order of State to the Jew killing Nazi sympathizer Stepan Bandera (which Yanukovych later overturned) but the significance of this shouldn't be discounted.
So Yanukovych takes over a basket case economy and negotiates with the IMF/EU to try and fund reform.
The IMF/EU were a pack of bastards and wanted to screw ordinary Ukrainian people with higher gas and electricity prices, with no wage rise in sight, in return for their $$ support. Yanukovych found this unacceptable. Russia on the other hand was willing to partner with Ukraine with trade deals etc to benefit both countries, circumventing the EU and establishing a united economy.
The doco shows Yanukovych telling Angela Merkel in no uncertain terms that he tried in vain for 3 years to negotiate a deal with the EU with no success, and now with the threat of a trade war looming with Russia over the EU deal he was pursuing, in his own words "they decided to take a pause" in negotiating a deal, and he returns to Ukraine in November 2013 to a large protest of over 100 000 people.
This is where the shitfuckery begins, well actually it had began earlier when a lot of well funded Non Government Organisations had started appearing, 'financed from abroad'. 3 new TV stations suddenly sprung up(basket case economy don't forget) on November 21st, 22nd and 24th. These stations kept promoting the cause and helped draw ordinary peaceful citizens to the protest.
Enter The CIA. After giving themselves such a deservedly bad name in the 50's 60's and 70's, the CIA , in this instance, was rebranded into another organisation by the Reagan administration in 1983 under the guise of "The National Endowment for Democracy". It was from there the NGO's in Ukraine were funded.
According to acclaimed investigative journalist Robert Parry cashed up and using a familiar playbook from uprisings seen in other countries the NGO's were responsible for * supporting various political groups * funding media * training activists * dealing with journalists and various business groups * try to advance U.S Foreign Policy interest sometimes against the interest of the 'host' or 'target' country They worked on things like, how to get traction on a story, how to get them to go viral, and how to use that to generate support for their cause. Mustafa Nayem, head of one of the newly formed TV stations Hromadske played his part and it was his Facebook post on November 21 that first drew the crowds to the Maidan
At that first protest on November 21 the 3 main opposition group leaders attended including the leader of Svoboda Party far right nationalist and anti-Semetic Oleh Tyahnybok In those first days of the protest starting November 21st the police were not expecting violence, they were unarmed.
It was on November 24th that things got ugly. Far right activists were spotted through the crowd and the violence started. The police guarding The Cabinet Ministry of Ukraine building were attacked and another attack followed on November 25th.
I'm cutting out a lot of the finer details here but the next flashpoint that tipped the protest into overdrive was the events on November 30.
The head of the Kiev Municipality(Mayor) Oleksander Popov, rang Minister of Interior Affairs(basically the person in charge of the police/security) Vitaliy Zakharchenko and requested to bring a huge Christmas tree into the Maidan as happened every year. Vitaliy said this would not be possible with the large crowd still gathered in the Maidan.
Around 1.am he had a phone conversation with the head of the Ukraine Secret Service who said that thankfully from the information he was receiving the protest was winding down and pretty much over.
Zakharchenko turns on his TV at 6.30 a.m. next day and 'broke out in a cold sweat' watching the police beating protesters with batons. Yanukovych said he was against using any violation of human rights against the protesters and was hoping for dialogue.
Yanukovych and Zakharchenko ask for an investigation into who gave the order to break up the protest under the guise of bringing the Christmas decorations into the square as Popov did not have the authority to do so. Popov was subordinate the the Chief of Staff Serhiy Lyovochkin who has close associations with many U.S politicians including Geoffrey Pyatt and Victoria Nuland.
I'm going to have to stop here, even though there is a lot more information on how Pyatt and Nuland schemed behind the scenes to install politicians favourable to the U.S. Also the details behind why Yanukovych fled to Russia are worth explaining but it's too much for one post and will turn into a novel.
I hope that addresses the point you made above shiva. Honestly it'd take me a week to further summarise the events, they are complicated, there are a lot of players in this and yeah the U.S. government have pushed their own agenda in Ukraine which has played a huge part in the mechanics of the current situation.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Psilynut2]
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I'm not making excuses for Putin, nor was Aaron Mate, nor was Oliver Stone
Bullshit , the entire Dore video was an attempt to justify the invasion . Your lying . The Oliver stone video is from 2016 , not exactly relevant .
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods] 2
#27679792 - 03/02/22 02:50 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Stable Genius said: No excuse for what? The U.S. government meddling in other countries affairs? I agree.
Also, I still think Putin’s a cunt and he should not have invaded Ukraine.
This has nothing to do with the US. This is about Putin’s imperialistic desires
It has everything to do with the US. This is your proxy frontline in Europe.
They have already lost this trench.and are busy helping dig in a fallback line with the rest of Europe.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: pineninja]
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Psilynut2]
#27679809 - 03/02/22 03:03 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Psilynut2 said: Why are the black people running from the Russians that are there to help them ? Honestly though you should be banned to the conspiracy forum .

Because he quotes Time Magazine?
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius] 2
#27679811 - 03/02/22 03:05 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I notice in my offline life that some antivax people tend to have pro russia stances. Its like their position is contrarianism.
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