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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Nitro87]
#27685406 - 03/06/22 06:06 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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By far the best analysis on Ukraine comes from The Saker.
Here's his latest:
http://thesaker.is/day-11-putins-last-warning-before-beginning-of-the-2nd-phase-of-the-operation/
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Translation: If the leadership of Ukraine continues to do what they are doing, it will call into question the future of Ukrainian statehood, and that will be entirely their responsibility
I think that it is important to understand the context in which Putin made this statement. As a reminder
The Ukronazi armed forces are down to less than 25% of its original size. Almost all the remaining forces are in some type or another of cauldrons. Russia has full air supremacy The Ukronazi fleet does not exist anymore In spite of all the propaganda, no help from abroad will affect the outcome of this war It appears that Russia will surround Odessa and eventually take control of the entire Ukrainian Black Sea coast In other words, what seems to be shaping up is that Russia will soon have control over the entire Ukraine except for the western provinces (west of Vinnitsa and Zhitomir). In other words, the war is over, at least militarily. There will be a meeting between Russian and Ukrainian negotiators tomorrow, and it shall be interesting to see if something, anything, will come out of it.
The west is clearly determined to heroically fight Russia down to the last Ukrainian. Russia wants to stop this operation as soon as possible, but only after her double goals of 1) disarmament and 2) denazification are achieved.
Right now the big question is Kiev. It’s a big city with plenty of civilians and probably 30-50 thousand combatants of all different kinds (VSU, SBU, Volkssturm, deathsquads, looters, etc.). The logical solution would be to offer the combatants (and the civilians) corridors to exit the city, but the West can’t have that.
Now if the Ukies won’t vacate Kiev, then some rather serious fighting will take place inside the city and clearing the city from the Nazis will demand the involvement of a major Russian force. It appears that these forces are now in their staging areas all around the city (except for the south).
Think about it this way: the frontline (line of contact) is now very long and the Ukies don’t have enough forces to even try to hold any frontline in such a context.
However, remember the number of Russian forces deployed along the Ukrainian border – about 100’000+ or so soldiers? It appears that there are currently not enough Russia forces to fully exploit the Russian advances over the past ten days. Alternatively, we could say that the Russian force is big enough, but that now it has to sharply increase its use of firepower to further develop its operations.
All the people protesting against the war in Russia, I find it ironic that they were nowhere to be found when Donbass was under shelling for 8 years, leading to the deaths of 14,000 civilians and 500 children.
Where were all the protests and naked french chicks running around in Ukrainian colors when Donbass needed them? Gee, it's almost like people only care about the victims of war when the media tells them to care. In all other cases, it's just fine and dandy.
It should be noted the people protesting in Russia are mainly the Navalny bloc which represents something around less than 5% of the Russian population. Navalny himself is little more than a stooge doing the bidding of the CIA, so it's not much of a surprise that they don't have much popularity inside of Russia.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: feevers] 1
#27685442 - 03/06/22 06:40 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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feevers said: "The Saker has become a franchise for an international network of pro-Kremlin outlets, with branches in German, Italy, Latin America, and Russia. A Saker is a sort of falcon, falco cherrug, endemic to the steppes of Eurasia. The name of the blog is an anagram of the blogger’s name.
The Saker connects Russian nationalist groups and outlets with North American anti-Semite groups; Russian communists with French and Italian right-wing activist. Devote Christians with aggressive thugs. It’s a successful franchise in disinformation."
https://euvsdisinfo.eu/the-saker-blind-loyalty-disguised-as-defiance/
Right - anybody who tells the truth these days is a kremlin agent. How could I possibly forget?
That's funny, I didn't know people had gone to such lengths to smear him. In my mind, that only makes him even more legitimate.
He is critical of Zionism, not judaism. Believe it or not, there is a difference. It comes as no surprise to me that his enemies would paint him with the anti-semitism label - considering they do this to practically anyone that is critical of US or Israeli Foreign Policy.
This pathetic garbage is a joke man. Your source is clearly part of a government-sponsored disinformation campaign to target those who dare to challenge the insane foreign policy of the west. Do you have any more nonsense to falsely smear someone whom has made an unwavering dedication to the truth or are you done?
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods]
#27685473 - 03/06/22 07:06 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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What media? There’s nothing but Putin propaganda inside Russia.
8 years is exactly how long it’s been since Russia started the war in Donbas. You ever think to yourself that maybe Russia is the problem?
Spoiler: it is
Everything is always Russia's fault according to you. Including the 2016 election, which I'm sure you still think to this day was stolen by Russia.
The war was started by the Obama-installed illegitimate regime that unleashed a hellish military offensive on their own nation's people 8 years ago. A war which they lost, and out of frustration took revenge on random civilians by launching cowardly attack after cowardly attack on civilian areas with long-range artillery. For 8 fucking years.
The world has had enough of it. The attacks on Donbass had to stop. Unfortunately, the only way to achieve this was to completely disarm Ukraine's military. Otherwise, they would have never stopped killing kids in Donetsk and Luhansk.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods] 1
#27685488 - 03/06/22 07:11 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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koods said: Koods you are actually the most severely brainwashed person I think I’ve ever dealt with. While it is an interesting spectacle for a while, there is no reason to engage anymore. You’ve been like this for a long while and you’re probably a lost cause. Too cognitively corrupted to even rescue yourself. Good luck dude.
Fixed that for ya
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: feevers]
#27685502 - 03/06/22 07:23 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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chopstick said: This pathetic garbage is a joke man. Your source is clearly part of a government-sponsored disinformation campaign to target those who dare to challenge the insane foreign policy of the west. Do you have any more nonsense to falsely smear someone whom has made an unwavering dedication to the truth or are you done?
I went back and read some snippets on older articles from your site... election fraud conspiracies, new world order/deep state nonsense, constant Putin worship (the entire site is basically a shrine to Putin) etc.. big surprise that's where you get your news from.
Did a quick shroomery search to see if it's been used by anyone here before, sure enough it's been one of your go-to's for years and you refer to the guy who runs it as your friend . You're radicalized and don't even realize it
I like The Saker. He's a smart guy and one of the few willing to tell it how it is. A rare quality amongst journalists and news outlets today.
He actually used to work for a five-eyes spying agency in the 90's. He was tasked with creating reports on Yugoslavia during NATO's bombing campaign at the time. What he saw disgusted him so much that he quit his job and became an independent blogger, diametrically opposed to the warmongering of his former employers.
That's somebody who actually has morals. They are very, very few and far between. That's why he's a real diamond in the rough. And it's real rough out here in terms of media coverage now.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
#27685686 - 03/06/22 10:51 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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The Saker is not a right winger. Also he's way smarter than all you idiots. Read his blog, maybe it'll help de-program all of you from your mindless NPC-like behavior
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: ONE OZ SLUG] 1
#27685698 - 03/06/22 11:09 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Oh look, a ukrainian soldier wearing a Black Sun patch:
https://twitter.com/QuakerPuppygirl/status/1500587514943336449/photo/1
Apparently it was a symbol used by Heinrich Himmler:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sun_(symbol)
Ukrainian soldiers are literally modeling their patches and logos off SS officers.
And there are thousands just like that guy in Ukraine.
Yep, totally normal and not at all Nazi!
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Psilynut2] 2
#27686210 - 03/07/22 12:45 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Listen to Putin's statements/speeches and he makes it very clear why they went through with this operation. Their reasons actually make sense, and I doubt they feel the need to lie.
-Ukraine had assembled an invasion force of ~130,000 soldiers that was getting ready to invade and completely smash Donbass, in which case Russia would have been forced to intervene anyway. The Russian operation pre-empted Ukraine's military offensive by only a week or two.
-Ukraine's continuous threats to Crimea and refusal to declare neutrality. Ukraine joining NATO would have guaranteed a world war in the future.
-Ukraine's threats to acquire nuclear weapons - which they were apparently already working on covertly, with US assistance. Zelensky's comments about pulling out of the Budapest memorandum only made this threat more serious in the minds of Russian leadership.
The first point alone is enough to justify the operation. Without Russian intervention, it would have been a massacre in Donbass - which houses some ~1 million civilians. DPR/LPR defenses might have held, but at what cost? If the Ukrainians had broken through the defense lines, the radicalized volunteer battalions would simply have murdered any civilians they came across. It would have been a huge bloodbath.
It's unfortunate that war now has to encompass the whole Ukraine. However, for 8 years a blind eye was turned to the continuous and reckless slaughter of people in Donetsk and Luhansk. Nobody tried to stop it. Nobody raised a hand to the volunteer Nazi militias. Nobody cared about these people for 8 years. Well, if Ukraine had wanted to avoid a war they should have stopped threatening these people with complete annihilation. They had 8 years to subscribe to the peace process. Instead, they threatened some 1 million people with genocide and chose the path of war.
The people in Ukraine need to immediately condemn/reject the neo-nazi groups that forced this war, are still killing civilians even now and hold their politicians - especially Zelensky - accountable for bringing this war to their doorsteps.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
#27686436 - 03/07/22 04:10 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Make no mistake, the entire world economy is going to take a massive hit from the sanctions on Russia.
Zerohedge is panicking:
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/carnage-everywhere-market-begins-break
Stocks are crashing hard and all the markets are bearish. The only things going up are oil, wheat, and real-world resources of which Russia was a large supplier. This of course means the prices of basically everything using oil, wheat, copper, nickel, and other resources are going to spike dramatically everywhere. Europeans may be put into a position where they cannot even heat their homes in the winter.
Americans can expect to pay $10/gallon at the pump soon if Congress decides to sanction Russia's oil and gas sector and stop importing oil.
Remember who staged the coup in Ukraine and started this war everytime you fill up at the pump.
Thanks Obama!
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods]
#27686495 - 03/07/22 04:59 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Help reign in inflation? There are some countries out there where people will no longer even be able to afford basic necessities after this. Maybe not in America, but in other parts of the world, for sure. Europe is going to be especially hard hit in their oil and gas sector - the price of LNG has already exploded. Truth is, we will all feel the pain just as bad as Russia.
Also, the idea that Venezuela would supply oil to the US is laughable. This is the same country where Trump declared some random guy (Juan Guaido) to be the real president and where they sent in hit squads to try and take out Maduro.
It's possible Maduro might conveniently "forget" about the attempts on his life and supply something, but I doubt it.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods] 1
#27686530 - 03/07/22 05:29 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Did you just post a picture from the official website of Azov battalion?
You do know that's the hardcore Nazi group that has been murdering civilians in Ukraine for the past 8 years right?
The same one using human shields in Mariupol right now and whom has been filmed executing random people on the side of the road - their own nation's civilians - for the past week?
At any rate, it's impossible to determine who is responsible for what right now in Ukraine. The Ukrainians are using MRLS on any civilian areas where they suspect Russian troops are present. In other words, they're hitting their own cities and civilian infrastructure. Meanwhile, Russia is hitting buildings where Ukrainian troops are holed up, which unfortunately includes some civilian buildings.
In other words, both sides are hitting civilian buildings and it's impossible to determine due to the fog of war which side is truly responsible from these photos. The only people who would know are the soldiers on the ground involved in the battle from where the photo was taken, and they aren't sharing much info on either side right now.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: christopera]
#27687287 - 03/08/22 10:09 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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So now we're gonna ask the same Venezuelan government that we were just trying to overthrow a couple years ago, where we literally tried to assassinate their president using suicide drones, hit squads, and fomented protests - to supply our oil.
Man, you just can't make this shit up. 
America is beyond dysfunctional.
This is what a collapsing empire looks like in its final days. I can only imagine how much worse it will get from here.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: ballsalsa]
#27687311 - 03/08/22 10:30 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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What I really wanna know is what the plan is for when Russia, China, and all these other countries abandon the petrodollar and just ignore the sanctions being imposed on them, conducting trade with eachother using their own alternative platforms that no longer involve the USD.
Which is exactly what we are pushing them to do by unleashing tons of sanctions on everyone.
I mean I'm fine with the US Dollar collapsing, but I don't see how temporarily hurting Russia is worth accelerating the de-dollarization process from a strategic standpoint.
Heh. What the hell is this country even doing anymore?
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Brian Jones] 1
#27688543 - 03/09/22 11:23 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Trying to give MiG's to Ukraine is utterly ridiculously stupid anyway. Let's say you can find experienced Ukrainian pilots that can fly them, which certainly isn't guaranteed right now.
Where would they take off from? If you fly them into Ukraine from outside Ukraine, it makes some airbase outside of Ukraine a legitimate military target and thus ramps up the potential for ww3 dramatically.
If you drive them into Ukraine, then they can get bombed on some Ukrainian highway somewhere (they will be easy to spot, trust me), and on top of that you would have to fly them out of one of the few remaining civilian airports somewhere. This makes said civilian airport a military target also.
But let's say you manage to overcome all these problems by some miracle. How long would they be in the air before they get shot down? Their life-spans would be measured in minutes. It's a suicide mission for any pilot. We're talking about a country who's entire airspace is covered by Russian S-400's and friendly aircraft that are much superior to the MiG-29.
In other words, there is absolutely no way that providing these airplanes will make any difference other than getting more Ukrainian pilots killed very quickly.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods] 1
#27688698 - 03/09/22 02:53 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Those people are lucky that Zelensky's goons didn't have time to arm them so they could foolishly try and attack Russians, only to be mowed down.
They're lucky that the worst of the war was spared on them.
Other cities have not been so lucky.
Funny, I thought Russia was killing everyone. So why aren't they shooting those people? Oh yeah, because they're actually leaving unarmed civilians alone while targeting their strikes only on Ukrainian military positions.
Instead of uselessly protesting, they should be trying to figure out what they are going to do about the fact that their government is ran by the United States, Zelensky is a useless puppet and the CIA wants to use them all as cannon fodder to bog Russia down in an Afghanistan-style quagmire, fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian.
You know, actually accept reality instead of try to fight against it.
No matter - reality is something they will be forced to accept once it becomes clear Ukraine's military is in shambles and surrendering all over the country.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: feevers] 1
#27688739 - 03/09/22 03:23 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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feevers said: Totally.
Meanwhile in reality... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/09/pure-genocide-civilian-targets-in-mariupol-annihilated-by-russian-attacks
Funny, I figured it was only a matter of time before someone posted about the "poor hospital" in Mariupol.
In reality, Azov battalion militants had cleared out the hospital of medics and civilians and took up firing positions in the building. They even filmed themselves doing this. This information was made publicly available yesterday.
When Azov Nazi's took up positions in the hospital, it became a legitimate military target.
Naturally, Russian forces hit the hospital and killed a bunch of militants that were inside. However, there were no civilians and this has been made even more obvious by the fact that sofar nobody has posted pictures of dead hospital workers or civilians from the attack.
If you would use your brain instead of just unquestioningly swallow propaganda every five minutes, you would know I posted days ago that the Azov battalion - a Nazi militant group - is defending Mariupol and that they are taking up firing positions in residential areas all over the city. They are taking over houses, taking over elementary schools, taking over hospitals and using them as strongpoints to fire on DPR and LPR forces.
There are even videos of Azov militants executing civilians at point blank range for trying to leave Mariupol. They have killed dozens. These videos are all over the internet.
Funny how you're not outraged about that, but when a propaganda news outlet like "The Guardian" tells you to get outraged over something which is being blatantly falsely represented, you immediately surrender your intellectual capacities without hesitation.
Funny how that works!
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: feevers]
#27688772 - 03/09/22 03:47 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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chopstick said: Praise Putin Hail Russia Zelenski is a Jewish nazi Anything but RT and my "friend's" Russian propaganda blog = fake news Election was rigged, they're publishing all the data next week
We know.
You only continue to prove your own level of mindless arrogance everytime you put words in my mouth like this.
Why are you such a sheep that has to always believe every lie fed to you by the mainstream media?
There is literal video of the Azov battalion rampaging through the hospital and taking up positions there. Why can't you disprove that? Oh right, you can't, because it's on video. So why can't you admit it when you're being lied to, then?
These are the things you should ask yourself. Clearly, you've got some work to do on yourself. I don't envy you.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods]
#27688792 - 03/09/22 04:15 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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He keeps saying there is video to prove shit yet he never posts any videos to prove it.
“Literal” video should be the easiest to post I would think
"this is reported to be footage from inside the hospital before the russian strike. not many doctors or pregnant women around. the russian MOD also mentioned in its march 5th briefing, four days ago, that ukrainian forces are firing from inside the hospital."
https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1501650341347176451?cxt=HHwWhsC9zfDB99YpAAAA
The Russian MoD reported that the militants were firing from the hospital since March 5th.
In other words, it has been well known for days that Azov had taken over the hospital for military purposes.
This is how the Ukrainian propaganda works - Ukrainian armed militants take over residential buildings like the hospital in Mariupol. Then when they get inevitably bombed, their sycophants in the media immediately claim it was an unjustified Russian strike on "innocent civilians" in a "hospital" without mentioning said hospital had taken over for military purposes by the Ukrainian army.
It's honestly just pathetic that they have to stoop this low to frame Russia for anything and everything. They will go to any length for their propaganda. All because you have a mainstream media that is totally corrupt and just reports whatever they are told to report.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick]
#27688802 - 03/09/22 04:26 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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I've seen the videos of the Azov Nazi's killing civilians in Mariupol too, but it's too far back on the twitter timeline for me to find easily.
Instead I'll describe what I watched for all of you.
A car is driving down the road that leads out of Mariupol. Obviously, civilians are trying to get out of the city using their car.
Up ahead is a checkpoint of Azov battalion members.
They are stopping every car driving down this road, pulling the people out of their cars at gunpoint, and then executing them in cold blood.
One car had an entire family, a woman and her kids. They scream in vain right before being executed at point blank range.
This video is on twitter but I'm not going to go looking because it's like digging for a needle in a haystack right now.
Why isn't the mainstream media reporting on the dozens of people murdered in cold blood by Azov?
Why aren't they reporting how Azov kills whomever they want in Mariupol because they view the inhabitants there as "undesirable" due to their ethnic Russian backgrounds? And since they know they're gonna die anyway, they take down as many of the "undesirables" with them as they can.
It's fucking insane how brutal these guys are. But Russia's operation was totally unjustified. Right.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods]
#27688815 - 03/09/22 04:40 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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koods said: Still waiting for video showing Ukrainians soldiers taking up positions in hospital
Both Russia and the DPR reported that they took over this hospital days ago.
On top of that, this was reported by the hospital staff.
I posted the video. You can either realize you were duped, or not. Doesn't make a difference to me.
I could post a video of Azov literally killing babies and you wouldn't bat an eye. That's the unfortunate reality of the Ukrainian crisis
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