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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: budmanman] * 4
    #27681380 - 03/03/22 06:20 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I've been away awhile.  Let me guess: falcon is defending Russia.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods] * 4
    #27690083 - 03/10/22 06:21 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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So all he had to do was comply with the demands that didn’t exist to prevent the surprise invasion



She could have stopped the rape at any time by just agreeing to have sex.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick]
    #27690851 - 03/11/22 10:35 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Ukrainians are now openly carrying out killings against their own on *anybody* suspected of pro-Russian sentiment or wanting to end the war.



The english word for such people is "traitors"


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick] * 1
    #27690899 - 03/11/22 11:11 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I didn't say any of that.  That's your strawman.

Ukraine is being invaded by a foreign country.  By definition, anyone offering aid or comfort to Russia is a traitor.

As far as your bullshit about nazis, how is that even close to relevant? 


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick]
    #27690912 - 03/11/22 11:19 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Says you and some tweet.  I'm unconvinced.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick]
    #27691560 - 03/11/22 07:06 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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The US was developing biological weapons of mass destruction on Russia's doorstep.



Now all you need is evidence.  When you get some, let us know.  Until then, it's just conjecture


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: bukkake]
    #27692158 - 03/12/22 07:47 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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The US has biological weapons despite claiming it doesn't.




The US has never denied having biological weapons for purposes of studying them for defense against a bio attack.  The U.S. denies developing biological weapons, and there's no evidence that they are or have been for a long, long time.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: wolf8312]
    #27692201 - 03/12/22 08:37 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

First of all, there is nothing wrong with biolabs.  Biolabs are all over the world and do wonderful work for the betterment of human life.  The presence of U.S. run biolabs means literally nothing in the context of this thread.

As far as bioweapons labs.  Again, there is a difference between studying and analyzing bioweapons for the purpose of defending against an attack and developing and producing bioweapons for the purpose of attacking.  Even you must understand this distinction.  NOTHING brought out so far indicates that the purpose of any biolab run by the U.S. is to produce weapons for attacking someone. 

Having said that, researching bioweapons for purposes of defending against an attack still means having bioweapons and replicating them for testing purposes.  It still means a facility that has incredibly dangerous substances which, if left in the wrong hands, could wreak terrible destruction.  Russia is, without a doubt, the wrong hands.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: wolf8312]
    #27692222 - 03/12/22 09:01 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Simply declaring there is no evidence does not mean that there is no evidence only that we haven't seen it!



Simply declaring that bioweapons were being produced for the purpose of targeting Russia does not mean that bioweapons were being produced for the purpose of targeting Russia.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: wolf8312]
    #27692255 - 03/12/22 09:39 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

The need to have them close to Russia is so that we can more quickly analyze threats of Russian weapons.  This is a no-brainer.  After all, Russia loves using bio/chem weapons.  Every couple of years, some russian dissident gets hit with novichok, it seems.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: wolf8312]
    #27692651 - 03/12/22 03:32 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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The need to have them close to Russia is so that we can more quickly analyze threats of Russian weapons.  This is a no-brainer.  After all, Russia loves using bio/chem weapons.  Every couple of years, some russian dissident gets hit with novichok, it seems.




Enlil, what you believe and what you actually know are two different things. Especially in the context of top-secret Biolabs in Ukraine! You act as if you have been given a personal tour of these labs when in truth your only reference point is an utterly discredited media (see OP for just one example) and western intelligence services (anonymous sources in that same media)!

You still believe in Russiagate right?



I don't know what Russiagate is, but I do know that those claiming that the U.S. has a bioweapons development program have the burden of proving it, and they have failed to do so.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27692660 - 03/12/22 03:39 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I didn't see her say he was worse than Hitler.  I only recall saying he was different from hitler.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick]
    #27693719 - 03/13/22 11:56 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Setting aside that you're misstating the facts about how the U.S. conducted the war in Iraq, none of that is relevant.  The fact that the U.S. has done horrible things does not make it okay for Russia to do horrible things.  It also doesn't deprive American citizens of the right to criticize those horrible things.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic] * 3
    #27693745 - 03/13/22 12:24 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

This thread is about the invasion of Ukraine by russia.  Posts that attempt to mitigate russia's culpability by using whataboutisms are very much a big part of the thread.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27693915 - 03/13/22 03:13 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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to chide others for weak imitations of its own foreign policy is downright laughable.



You're right.  America should just ignore atrocities and let them happen.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27693920 - 03/13/22 03:16 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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When the head of the IRA called BS and said he wanted to go to court, the US dropped the charges against him.



That didn't happen.  Not a single human being submitted to the jurisdiction of the court.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27693943 - 03/13/22 03:33 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Not any more accurate.  I don't know why you think that's true, but the case against Internet Research Agency, LLC is still very much active and pending.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27693945 - 03/13/22 03:34 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
to chide others for weak imitations of its own foreign policy is downright laughable.



You're right.  America should just ignore atrocities and let them happen.




Absolutely. If the US military completely fucked off the world would be much better off.

I know you’re pretty old or whatever but there hasn’t been a US military deployment in my lifetime that’s ended up being a net positive for human society.



So you see it as a dichotomy between ignoring atrocities and military intervention?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27694016 - 03/13/22 04:33 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

So, given that FACT, your dismissal of Feevers links about the troll farm was wholly inappropriate.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick]
    #27694020 - 03/13/22 04:37 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

And yet Russia is the only one with the power to stop it.


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