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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #27671616 - 02/24/22 11:47 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Biden is live right now blabbing about it



I'm sure putin is quivering over some sanctions and empty threats


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: ONE OZ SLUG] * 1
    #27682833 - 03/04/22 04:59 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

People are so fucking dumb. All the endless piles of information out there and people still can’t put the pieces together and see that this is all part of trumps plan to save the children and arrest Hillary.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick] * 1
    #27685426 - 03/06/22 06:18 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

"The Saker has become a franchise for an international network of pro-Kremlin outlets, with branches in German, Italy, Latin America, and Russia. A Saker is a sort of falcon, falco cherrug, endemic to the steppes of Eurasia. The name of the blog is an anagram of the blogger’s name.

The Saker connects Russian nationalist groups and outlets with North American anti-Semite groups; Russian communists with French and Italian right-wing activist. Devote Christians with aggressive thugs. It’s a successful franchise in disinformation."

https://euvsdisinfo.eu/the-saker-blind-loyalty-disguised-as-defiance/


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick] * 1
    #27685476 - 03/06/22 07:07 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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This pathetic garbage is a joke man. Your source is clearly part of a government-sponsored disinformation campaign to target those who dare to challenge the insane foreign policy of the west. Do you have any more nonsense to falsely smear someone whom has made an unwavering dedication to the truth or are you done?




I went back and read some snippets on older articles from your site... election fraud conspiracies, new world order/deep state nonsense, constant Putin worship (the entire site is basically a shrine to Putin) etc.. big surprise that's where you get your news from.

Did a quick shroomery search to see if it's been used by anyone here before, sure enough it's been one of your go-to's for years and you refer to the guy who runs it as your friend :lol:. You're radicalized and don't even realize it


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27688722 - 03/09/22 03:11 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)



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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick] * 1
    #27688752 - 03/09/22 03:32 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Praise Putin
Hail Russia
Zelenski is a Jewish nazi
Anything but RT and my "friend's" Russian propaganda blog = fake news
Election was rigged, they're publishing all the data next week




We know.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #27690975 - 03/11/22 11:53 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Says you and some tweet.  I'm unconvinced.




This could be the response to every chopstick post, though occasionally you'd need to change the word 'tweet' to 'pro-Putin blog' or 'kremlin-aligned misinformation website'


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
    #27691045 - 03/11/22 12:46 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Every single website that provides a viewpoint that isn't directly aligned with the MSM's lies is a "kremlin-aligned website' to you. This is a massive part of the problem - the truth cannot be disseminated effectively because the truth itself has been labeled Kremlin propaganda. And people like you fall for this without a second thought. I can only assume that the truth is just too much for your mind to handle, because you've been trained to always believe the opposite.





I haven't stated any strong views one way or another on the situation, just pointed out out how you predictably and constantly mimic everything you hear on your putin worship blogs and websites, which have been your go-to 'sources' on here for years, and believe/parrot any pro-russia tweets that you see without taking a split second to ponder their legitimacy.

But yes, it's everyone else who's brainwashed here.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods]
    #27691597 - 03/11/22 07:34 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I wonder how many Nigerian princes chopstick has given his bank information to


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: wolf8312] * 3
    #27693409 - 03/13/22 06:03 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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wolf8312 said:. Domestically this danger has grown with each passing year as our democracies, media institutions, and the internet itself have been slowly taken over and there is now sadly a Kood's policing every online forum on the internet, truth now "misinformation" and misinformation the "truth"!  !




The lack of self-awareness is laughable. What you describe is essentially the mission statement of the state-sponsored Russian troll farms, which believe it or not have far more funding, power, and influence than koods.

But you’re totally the free thinker, who sees the clear picture that no one else but chopstick and falcon can, and am immune to propaganda and misinformation coming out of a country that weaponizes propaganda and misinformation on an industrial level.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27693513 - 03/13/22 08:35 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I posted one link as an example out of thousands of examples that can be found on Google of Russian troll farms.

The US DOJ dropping a single case has no relevance to the existence of Russian troll farms, especially since the links in your post confirm the existence of Russian troll farms.

So what’s your point other than an attempted “gotcha”?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27693566 - 03/13/22 09:20 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Yes, I know there were thousands of articles.  Which were later shown to be wrong, as evidenced in my link.




Imagine thinking that by posting links that confirm the existence of one of many Russian troll farms, you’ve disproven the existence of Russian troll farms :lol:

Now I realize why people here are so sick of your shtick


Just a few of the thousands of examples found in 5 minutes of googling:


Neutrollization: Industrialized trolling as a pro-Kremlin strategy of desecuritization
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0967010618785102


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“Among accounts actively Tweeting about Russian politics, we find that on the majority of days, the proportion of Tweets produced by bots exceeds 50%. We reveal bot characteristics that distinguish them from humans in this corpus, and find that the software platform used for Tweeting is among the best predictors of bots. Finally, we find suggestive evidence that one prominent activity that bots were involved in on Russian political Twitter is the spread of news stories and promotion of media who produce them.



https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/big.2017.0038


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“To my question about a technical task—what exactly should be written in the comments—a young guy, a coordinator, told me, briefly and clearly, that they were having busy days at the moment and that yesterday they all wrote in support of [Moscow acting mayor Sergei] Sobyanin, while ‘today we shit on Navalny,’” she wrote on her VKontakte [ed: a Russian social network] page.

According to Lvova, each commenter was to write no less than 100 comments a day, while people in the other room were to write four postings a day, which then went to the other employees whose job was to post them on social networks as widely as possible.

Employees at the company, located at 131 Lakhtinsky Prospekt, were paid 1,180 rubles ($36.50) for a full 8-hour day and received a free lunch, Lvova wrote.”



https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/10/russias-online-comment-propaganda-army/280432/


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“ Researchers at the University of Edinburgh identified 419 accounts operating from the Russian Internet Research Agency (IRA) attempting to influence UK politics out of 2,752 accounts suspended by Twitter in the US.

One of the accounts run from the Kremlin-linked operation attempted to stir anti-Islamic sentiment during the Westminster Bridge terror attack in March in a bogus post claiming a Muslim woman ignored victims – a claim that was highlighted by mainstream media outlets including Mail Online and the Sun.”



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/14/how-400-russia-run-fake-accounts-posted-bogus-brexit-tweets


A journalist went undercover at the one mentioned in your post
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Troll slayer" and journalist Lyudmila Savchuk when undercover at a troll factory for two and a half months to see how it works.

Savchuk found that the organization was broken up into departments: "news division," the "social media seeders", and a group dedicated to producing visual memes known as "demotivators."

Despite the division of labor, the content was remarkably uniform. The US, the EU, Ukraine’s pro-European government, and Russia’s opposition were regular targets for scorn. And then there was Russian President Vladimir Putin — seemingly no Russian triumph under his rule was too small to warrant a celebratory tweet, meme or post.

"Each worker has a quota to fill every day and every night," Savchuk says. "Because the factory works around the clock. It never stops. Not for a second."




https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-troll-slayer-went-undercover-at-a-troll-factory-2019-3?IR=T


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27693867 - 03/13/22 02:28 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Where did I say troll farms didn't exist?  I said they were shown to have a negligible influence on Americans, and that even the charges by the US Government against the head of the main troll farm were dropped.





Uhmm, here:

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feevers said:
I posted one link as an example out of thousands of examples that can be found on Google of Russian troll farms.



Yes, I know there were thousands of articles.  Which were later shown to be wrong, as evidenced in my link.





I made it clear my link was just one example out of thousands of examples of Russian troll farms, you claimed that some post you made somehow shows all those other examples to be wrong.

I'm sure you'll try to claim that I was only referring to the troll farm from the article I posted, even though in this post I explicitly made it clear I was not and that it was just one example of thousands. Now you're moving the goalposts to some made up shit about its "influence on Americans", which has no basis in reality, as there is also available data on the vast amount of followers/likes/retweets and even real world organized events that the troll farms and propaganda networks achieved/accumulated in the US and elsewhere.

Again, the US DOJ dropping one case on one very specific issue has absolutely nothing to do with the existence of Russian troll farms, their intentions, and/or their international influence. Yes, you might be able to find a blog or zerohedge opinion piece that twists facts to support your "make believe", but it'll still be make believe.

Yes, the IRA is the biggest troll farm and apparently in the past wasn't too concerned about covering their tracks, making them fairly easy to monitor. In more recent years they've been found with operations in Africa and elsewhere throughout the world, and their MO is obviously popping up again during the Ukraine invasion. After all, someone has to provide you and choppy with talking points to echo :lol:
https://www.propublica.org/article/infamous-russian-troll-farm-appears-to-be-source-of-anti-ukraine-propaganda


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick] * 1
    #27695052 - 03/14/22 01:44 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Everyone's favorite and totally not neo-nazi Ukrainians brutally massacred 23 civilians in Donetsk today:

(warning, footage is graphic)

https://twitter.com/i/status/1503438677267132419

https://twitter.com/i/status/1503434711875694599

https://twitter.com/spriter99880/status/1503433912797835266/photo/1

They used a Tochka-U ballistic missile to deliberately target civilians in Donetsk. A shocking war-crime considering there is no feasible military targets for them to hit in the city center of Donetsk - only civilians minding their business, brutally massacred by people who hate them. What's more, it appears the Ukrainians used cluster munitions to kill as many civilians as possible - making it even more egregious.

Nothing new for them, Ukraine has been doing this for the past 8 years without a single peep from the mainstream media clowns.

Meanwhile, a Ukrainian soldier filmed himself flying a Nazi flag as he manned a machine gun position:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1503440030748008452

Without Russia's intervention what just happened today in Donetsk would have happened on a scale many hundreds of times worse.. with thousands of civilians getting slaughtered at the hands of these sick freaks.




The nazi flag video is from years ago, and was suspected to be russian propaganda

Ukraine denies the Donetsk attack and says:
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Leonid Matyukhin, a Ukrainian military spokesperson, said the missile, which carried a shrapnel warhead, was in fact a Russian rocket. “It is unmistakably a Russian rocket or another munition; there’s not even any point talking about it,” Matyukhin said.




Russia also denies it and blames ukraine

It's funny how quickly you guzzle down any piece of propaganda you come across from russia, but instantly dismiss anything that isn't pro-russia


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick] * 1
    #27695109 - 03/14/22 02:41 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Absolutely shameful that you would unquestioningly believe their shameless lie. So suddenly the people that have been murdering civilians in Donetsk for 8 years decided to stop doing it, and magically it was a Russian rocket? How stupid do you have to be to believe that crap?

You are absolutely hopeless. Immediately dismissing the Ukrainian slaughter of civilians as 'russian propaganda' even though they have been doing it for the past EIGHT YEARS. Even though they used a missile that ONLY UKRAINE USES.

How braindead can you possibly be, dude? It's like you can't comprehend that Ukraine is guilty of these types of war crimes. Everytime you post you surprise me with a new level of ignorance that I frankly didn't think to be possible until now.




:lol:

Melt more... it's far more entertaining than your misinformation copy/pastes

The funny thing is, I never said I believed anything.

I did what a rational person would do, and posted both sides. Ukraine blames russia, russia blames ukraine. Chopstick mindlessly believes whatever russia says, because he's gullible and obsessed with russia, per the usual.

I have no idea what the truth is, but unlike you I don't pretend to.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27695117 - 03/14/22 02:45 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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feevers said:
The nazi flag video is from years ago, and was suspected to be russian propaganda

Ukraine denies the Donetsk attack and says:
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Leonid Matyukhin, a Ukrainian military spokesperson, said the missile, which carried a shrapnel warhead, was in fact a Russian rocket. “It is unmistakably a Russian rocket or another munition; there’s not even any point talking about it,” Matyukhin said.




Russia also denies it and blames ukraine

It's funny how quickly you guzzle down any piece of propaganda you come across from russia, but instantly dismiss anything that isn't pro-russia



We can't know who's telling the truth, but we can know the US has told an awful lot of lies about Ukraine.

After we were told Russia 'invaded' Crimea in 2014, and Russia denied it, I travelled to Crimea to learn from the people themselves what happened.  Though Russian troops were in strategic parts of Crimea to keep Ukraine out, 95% of the people there wanted to return to Russia (this is supported by polling data) and they never even noticed any Russian troops.  Only 6 people died in that 'invasion'.




I don't get my information about Ukraine from the US, and I don't care about imaginary conversations you had in Crimea.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick]
    #27695147 - 03/14/22 03:02 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Please quote any Ukrainian misinformation I've posted.

Not that it's going to help you at this point since you're so far gone, but here's some wise advice David Dunning (of the Dunning Kruger cognitive bias):


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There's a lot of information floating around. Some of it is deliberate misinformation. It's fraudulent. A lot of it is well-intentioned but misguided. But in there there is some truth. There is some policy that we should be listening to. I think a core issue is for each of us individually in our own homes to try to identify who are the voices we should be listening to, and who are the voices we should think are interesting but we're going to check on that, and also making sure that those voices that are expert somehow become noisier than a lot of the other noises out there.

......

There's one thing that I would point out here. It's very easy, especially in these times, to latch onto whatever message that you get and not think about the credibility of its source. There's a lot of work in psychology showing that we pay a lot of attention to the strength of a message but we give short shrift to questions about the credibility of its source. I think we would do better if we thought more about that second question of credibility — and also if we were a little bit more expert in how to judge credibility.

One of the things that I would suggest is that how you judge credibility is by cross-referencing. This one person or this one source is saying this. What are other sources saying? Is there a consensus or not? Is this something that I hear from independent sources that are pretty much saying the same thing, or is this just some random, brand new, isolated piece of information? What we want to do there is, we want to check on it and check its credibility, its provenance, for example.





It's on COVID misinformation, which of course you're also a huge fan of, but rings true with the Ukraine situation as well.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick]
    #27695153 - 03/14/22 03:05 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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feevers said:


I don't get my information about Ukraine from the US, and I don't care about imaginary conversations you had in Crimea.




Just stop - you only make yourself look more delusional and ignorant with every post.

Somebody visits Crimea, *in-person*, to learn the truth about what people think - and you just dismiss it because it doesn't fit into the narrative you want it to fit into.

Speaks volumes to your character.




I went to Russia yesterday and had a 3 hour long conversation with Putin. He told me he's been reading you and Falcon's posts, and that they're all lies.

You better not dismiss what I said, I traveled all the way to Russia to learn the truth! Just because it doesn't fit your narrative you'll probably accuse me of lying though.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick]
    #27695195 - 03/14/22 03:35 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

The law of chopstickism:

Things chopstick wants to believe: It happened. 100%. Russia said so.
Things chopstick doesn't want to believe: THOSE ARE LIES HOW COULD U BE SO DUMB
People who state no strong opinions other than that people should question their sources: YOURE BRAINWASHED BY CNN WHY DO YOU BELIEVE AND POST SO MUCH UKRAINE MISINFORMATION YOU ARE SO IGNORANT

:melt:


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick] * 1
    #27698964 - 03/17/22 02:37 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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You're shameless for believing every lie these idiots tell you.




I'm no psychologist, but the level of projection that gushes out of you in every post is pretty textbook for someone who absolutely hates themselves... any time you try to insult someone you're describing your persona on here perfectly. If that's not it and it really is just a lack of self awareness, I'm not sure which is more sad.

You get your news from literal russian misinformation outlets, you've linked to many of them here. You've yet to provide one single piece of evidence for any of the "against the MSM narrative" claims you've made. We're all still waiting on those piles of election fraud data you found in your research that was going to overturn the election :lol:

There's a pretty obvious pattern here...


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