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Fully indoor woodlover notes, experiments, observations and ideas. * 17
    #27668300 - 02/21/22 07:33 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Many say indoor woodlovers are next to impossible, and even if, the yield is so bad compared to outdoors. Indeed, they are a challenge, but I think that they require new ideas that are outside the box of standard cube cultivation. That's a given, but what are those ideas?

Well, after some work and much, much failure, nature calls me to give me some inspiration. Sometimes, the answers are right before your eyes, so simple, that they are nearly entirely missed.

So a little filling in here. If any of you have grown woodlovers, let's say a tub of chips. You'll see that the surface will become extremely colonized, thick with aggressive puffy clouds.



Thing is, you never really see this outdoors, at least I haven't and not close to this level. What you will see is:



Or something to that effect.

So there is a difference, and I believe that's one of the keys. Ideally, you'd want to get the surface to appear as if it were outdoors, mostly mycelium condition in that regard. I've also thought that the seasons play a role in their growth, where we have spring, full of moist conditions to encourage growth, then summer, which can be hot and dry. The summer will stunt growth on the surface, among wind and light of course.

Point being is I am inclined to believe that treating an indoor cake as such to make it appear as if it had been growing outdoors might be necessary. Not talking about leaves and other organic matter, but stunting mycelium growth on the surface.


This idea has basis in reality. The woodlovers here in the pnw do fine in our hot ass summer in the abscense of water; they've evolved to cope. Maybe then, they've also become to expect such conditions?

Anyways, I came up with an idea to maybe test that. My "summer" simulator. Just a seedling heating mat and controller, placed on top of the shoebox, temp sensor placed just barely below the surface. 14 on / 10 off, for one week. Foam block to not waste half the heat. Temp is set to 83°F. 



Well, you'll also notice that the mycelium gets sort of hydrophobic in a way, almost traps a layer of air around it, which makes it hard to get water into the cake deeply.

Here's an example (not same cake nor recipie):



The mycelium seems to behave in this way. So, my point is, a casing here will be required, or at least some access to a moisture reservoir.

I did try a layer of soil sandwiched between the wood chip layers, but that's not the surface is it now lol? The mycelium in this condition, in a fridge, will repel water, doesn't store much water, so just dries fast. Never going to get fruits like that, ever.

In the wine fridge, I've tried to hold it at around 55F give or take a few degrees. There is a reptile fogger hooked up to an inkbird humidity controller. I did install extra LED lights but to be honest, they just increased the temperature undesirably, so I don't use them. I used an old PC fan to blow air at the fridge's cold plate, hooked  up to some variable DC wall plug.  Issue is with the wine fridge, it wasn't meant to be used with humid objects or pumping in excess humidity, so it is a little precarious getting the balance of temperature, humidity, and airflow right. The wine fridge model I have is MCWC50DBT, got it used on Craigslist, I really wanted a glass door.




The BIGGEST thing with this, you must absolutely extend the drain pan to an external water bottle, or you will basically piss all over the compressor if you use the fogger. You don't want a bunch of water hanging around main AC. All you need to do is get some clear plastic tubing, melt a hole in the drain pan, and then jerry right it in there and seal with some glue. It doesn't have to be pretty, just make sure it doesn't leak! Then, insert the other end into whatever container you want, soda bottle works.

You can also see the fogger tubing, I wrapped part of it in foil because that piece of shit cracked and would drip water everywhere, thus leak out the front and make a mess. The hole was made with a hole saw attachment on a drill, most of the space is empty, just lined with foam. You'll want to extend the fogger line in, down towards the bottom so any condensation can gently drain without splashing everywhere.



OK, now to the good stuff, this was done using a clone of my outdoor ps allenii from last season.

So after the "summer" phase with the heating mat, I did a long dunk, about 24h, flipping the cake 12h in, then the cake was then cased with some plain coir, very lightly, not packed hard.

Then, I let it colonize a tad, you'll see some tendrils coming in:



At this stage I popped the cake out of the tub, and placed it on the lid, transfered the cake onto a 12qt., using the tub as the lid. Just a few holes for FAE, 4 on each side, 2 top, 2 bottom, on each long side.

That was when I threw that mofo in the fridge. I would mist (even with fogger going) a few times a day, directly, with a spray bottle. They don't mind, they get rained on so I figured they'd not care.

A few weeks later (we got more back story to this :wink: ) I did see some pins!



Fuck, some side pins? Better than nothing! Long story short they aborted, I'm kinda learning as I go here so tallied another failure on the proverbial chalkboard, but I don't give up.

Anyways, the issue I've realized is water. They wanted water! Misting was not enough! The issue with the fridge is once it reaches temp, the temp will rise by 5°F until it kicks back on. The cake's temp maybe changed slower than the air, and when the air was colder and cakes were slightly warmer, the water evaporated off. I noticed a lot of condensation forming in the tubs, and that water had to go somewhere, but also, it was leaving something, the substrate.

So what I've been doing is dunking 2x per day in cold tap water, very briefly, just until my fingers hurt from the cold, tilt the cake and let the water dribble off, put back on the lid of the tub and put back in the fridge.

Ever since that, I'm seeing A LOT (relatively 😄) of pins, ON THE SURFACE of the coir. Fuck yes!



Here is a general view, I did break it in half for ease of transport.



Those are all new since the dunking!



Anyways, in short, I'm still experimenting, trying to dial this in. I think I'm on the right track, just needs tuning. I am also of course reproducing my work to prove to myself this is indeed working, and with other species. My goals are reproducibility, predictability, trying to keep the start to finish time as low as possible, and of course, getting yield to be something worth talking about. This is a net loss, but the knowledge gained is immense, and getting to know this group of Psilocybe, indoor and outdoor, has been a blessing. I've really enjoyed all this work so far, and hopefully I (and hopefully others!!!) can work towards making them a more worthwhile endeavor. We give a handful of species all the attention (and for a reason of course), but there's a whole world out there and they all need a bit of love :smile:


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Re: Fully indoor woodlover notes, experiments, observations and ideas. [Re: holofractal]
    #27668307 - 02/21/22 07:37 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Excuse the sloppy writing, I'm a little scatterbrained.  I wanted to post something about my work, all of it would've been useless if no one ever knew the details.

If there is anything you want to know, want me to know, ideas, tell me my ideas are retarded, or comment, please do! I want to nail this down, and while a lot of work, I know it's possible.

I'll post updates as time goes along of course. More species in the pipeline :smile:


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Re: Fully indoor woodlover notes, experiments, observations and ideas. [Re: holofractal]
    #27671168 - 02/24/22 03:49 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Little incremental update




I've counted, including primordia, there is about 25 coming up!!! For this small cake that's impressive. I'm just gonna keep doing what I'm doing, they seem to like it. Hopefully they'll get to size shortly, they start off very slow.


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Re: Fully indoor woodlover notes, experiments, observations and ideas. [Re: holofractal]
    #27672868 - 02/25/22 10:12 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)



Took this the other day, a short video of the various pins.


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Re: Fully indoor woodlover notes, experiments, observations and ideas. [Re: holofractal]
    #27675786 - 02/27/22 04:52 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)



Looking really nice. Picked up the dunking to 4x per day, really making sure they got their water. When caps open I'll probably not submerge those and probably mist them if need be.


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Re: Fully indoor woodlover notes, experiments, observations and ideas. [Re: holofractal]
    #27681507 - 03/03/22 07:51 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Ok I had come up with some more ideas. So, first, please excuse what looks like a fire hazard and a rats next, its 12v lol. I've insulated everything well haha. Most of those wires are for lighting I decided not to use as it warms up the fridge too much to my liking, and also not wise to overfill it as it really hampers the cooling capacity ime. Thing still has some life in it but not as strong as I'd wish.

Anywyas, started getting some fuzzy feet and some looking like they may be small, so needed to salvage the work. In uncharted territory here so doing things by feel and eye. I've removed the lid, and then also disabled the circulation fan. One, while not using the mister it does help the air cool a bit faster, it'll also help the fridge suck the moisture out of the air, thus the energy going towards cooling is used to condense the water on the cold plate and drain.

I've moved the fogger into the fridge so the atomized water is the same temp as everything else. At the lowest power it uses about 5w so very little extra heat from that, it's ultrasonic. It's hooked up to an inkbird controller, and now without running the fan, it actually doesn't turn on that often, so I am satisfied at the moment.



I'll be watching them of course. Need to dial in the conditions for optimum growth. Great pinning just wish to ensure they get to size.


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Re: Fully indoor woodlover notes, experiments, observations and ideas. [Re: holofractal]
    #27698044 - 03/16/22 06:22 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Alright I've harvested most of them.



So far, I've learned its SUPER important to keep that surface very very moist, way more so than with cubes, but also a different type of moist. You aren't going for beads of water, those will just evaporate and fuck off in no time. So regular drenching, 3-4x per day under the sink gently has been working very well for me. They are a rain mushroom so only made sense.



These are two azures I got going. The loaf is in the fridge now, the similarly styled cake will be shortly after the "drying" and then casing, thereafter once I see some mycelium poking thru I'll start the process like I did with the others.



On the second allenii cake, a pin has appeared! Still nothing on the surface, but what I'm gonna try is continue fruiting at room temp in a monotub, with some air stones bubbling thru water to humidify the air and bring in fae.


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Re: Fully indoor woodlover notes, experiments, observations and ideas. [Re: holofractal]
    #27702413 - 03/20/22 12:55 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)




Soaked and cased an azure.


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Re: Fully indoor woodlover notes, experiments, observations and ideas. [Re: holofractal]
    #27714840 - 03/31/22 12:26 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)



And here we are. Into the fruiting chamber as of two days ago. Looks very nice, you can see how the soil is mostly untouched, and they are growing nicely thru the coir.

This looks "cleaner" than the successful others, but more or less the same. I have high hopes for this one.

I've also made another, the only difference being that it is not cased.

Both have a relatively thick soil layer as a sink/reservoir for water. Chips are voraciously colonized yet soil is intact sans a few myco ropes tenaciously creeping over to find more food. This was my goal regarding condition and colonization.

Too much wood either homogenized into soil, or on the surface, seems to create extreme overlay. Outdoors is outdoors, but in a "perfect" environment, they go wild.

Anyways, hopefully two weeks or less I'll see some action, if any. The uncased one did not have a "hot"/dry cycle just for experimental reasons, but even then, I cannot be truly sure if that even matters. Its on the table if need be, if a cold-hot-cold cycle is needed.


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Re: Fully indoor woodlover notes, experiments, observations and ideas. [Re: holofractal]
    #27759329 - 05/01/22 09:50 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Exuse the long delay from new info and updates, here I'll copy a post I've posted in the woodlover thread

Anyways an update and a lesson. Soooo I was making multiple wood tubs at the same time and got my species mixed up, and my "Azures" here are actually cyans lol. So I apologize for the mixup. Fortunetly I do have some properly labeled Azures fruiting so the mixup has not happened again. Sometimes azure pins are a little more conical in shape in the early stages, but as soon as I saw the caps starting to open and especially the wavy caps I facepalmed so hard.

So lesson, if you are at all handling the multiple species at once, immediately label it before you put it down or have a chance to forget. Like for grain/lc, I group a species together and set the jar of lc on top of one jar in the group, and that's a good way for me at least to keep track of them.

But anyways, I do have some nice pics of course.



They came out nice!!! Best size I've managed to get yet! Soooo close to outdoor size. I don't exactly remember off the top of my head but the interior of the stipe is quite dark brown, I don't think the outdoor ones have been this dark and I'd like to know why. If anyone has a thought or insight I'd love to hear! I've made some mods that have really improved the results and this wouldn't be isolated to just a fridge, but for anyone who doesn't have a yard and wants to try a patio grow (which I think is super possible).


So, as time goes on my ideas and setup have become more refined, and probably will continue to improve of course. Thus far, this has seemed to give me the best results.



What we have here is a 12qt dub-tub, top has some FAE holes drilled, but additionally, we have an aquarium air pump and air stones bubbling water in order to hopefully increase the humidity in the air. Then, that is directed up through a hose, split 4 ways, and I used these left over "air flow adjuster" things as right angled jets and taped them in place.

The air flowing through is decent, not too much. The issue we run into in a fridge for instance is low humidity, as I've stated before.

I did set up the dub-tub after the fruiting started as the fruits were about to hit the top of the tub and then would have been sad mushrooms, so they needed some more room. Going forward, I think this is what I'll be using and refining, as in such a controlled environment, they need lot if fresh air and humidity, and this seems like the best way to do so cheaply and easily. Seems like more FAE = closer to outdoor size.

I know it all looks pretty ghetto but I try and use what I have on hand as I don't feel like spending extra money unless its absolutely needed, and after all, I want to keep the costs down as much as possible, so that requires a bit of creativity that is totally function over form lol.

I do have "real" Azures growing, this one is the best looking so far. This one has been in and out, different methods tried, but really, it seems like getting that surface right and also just plain old time and patience is what's needed. Seems they need around a month to initiate fruiting, give or take. Also some time prior to consolidate and "chill out" maybe akin to how they are "waiting" for the right moment after summer.



That is the most prolific one. The verm gives the appearance of more pins that are actually there, but there's still more than I expected. I'm still at the "I keep my expectations very low" stage but slowly, ever so slowly, moving out of that. There's some used-to-be-alive grass there that I tried establishing but then I left this cake around and neglected for a bit and thus it died. First time I tried fruiting I think it failed because surface conditions were not right, and my lack of patience as well. Easy to put it on the back burner to make room for new ideas, but these demand patience! 

Anyways, as for the right time to start fruiting process in regards to surface conditon/appearance, I'm still working on the specifics. So far I'm set on not letting them completely take over the surface, but the precise degree I'm still unsure of, maybe should even let the breach the surface in the cold. Logically, you don't see crazy surface colonization outdoors like you'd see indoors with perfect surface conditions that can nurture such growth, so it only makes sense to try and steer growth to appear in the same manner.


(Replying to my stuff above)

So I do have some progress on the ones above, only a single pin on each one, pretty much exactly one month since it has been in the fridge, and the cake has been in existence for a total of two. Coir and non coir, there is only a side pin off the soil layer on each one, but seeing they want to get jiggy I just need to hopefully maintain a better surface and Just Wait™ a little longer, based on previous experience. I'll dunk occasionally and maybe that'll be akin "rain" to the fungi. Last cake of this style responded very well to brief, 2x per day 15-30s dunks, and ~10-14 days later a nice amount of pins formed on the surface, so this'll be a great test to that methodology.

I'd still want to eventually tune everything to a point where I can handle everything as little as possible, and ideally, have most of the necessary water already in the cake, as to not disturb them. On the bright side, being rain fungi, they are very tolerant of the dunking and getting drenched, just DO NOT keep them submerged for too long, I ended up getting aborts that way, when a cake had a pin. I mean even outdoors you don't want a patch to literally become smothered in water as well, so it's sensical info.

Anyways, the new tub style contraption I made seems to be great. I think that is going to really help with progress in in regards to conditions. I'm gonna also try just leaving a cake totally alone and seeing if just the FAE and time are good enough, with as little interaction as possible.


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Indoor Woodlover experimentation Journal
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Indoor azurescens :laugh:


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Re: Fully indoor woodlover notes, experiments, observations and ideas. [Re: holofractal]
    #27765828 - 05/06/22 11:11 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)



The azures look like they are gonna be a great size, just gotta keep up the fae at this stage. Light misting to keep the fruits glistening as they'd be at the coast.

Wish I had another air pump to rig up for the fae contraption I mentioned here and in my journal, but I'm a bit tight on cash atm. Regardless I think it'll do fine but I'm always looking to improve, and most importantly nail down some consistency that I can pass onto others, reduce any disappointments or surprises if I can help it.

Something interesting I've noted is how the surface actually doesn't seem to be too colonized, perhaps they just breech up thru the coir. I suppose maybe there are mycelia peeking up that could be hard to spot, but I'd say this might be analogous to nature, where you don't have that rampant surface colonization, but more "surprise" shrooms slithering out of the earth.


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Preliminary guide on how to get started with indoors. [Re: holofractal]
    #27765833 - 05/06/22 11:16 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

To sum up what I've learned thus far, really it's a few things. I wouldn't call growing these that difficult indoors, but it requires a lot of patience, and developing an eye. I haven't posted all my failures of which there are many, so it has been much trial and error.



So, some key things. At least at the fruiting stage they require a fair amount of fresh air exchange, else you will get some teeny fruits. It took me some tries to figure out how to do that in my ancient fridge without, 1) creating a massive block of ice on the cold plate (which seriously hampers the cooling power) and 2) having a balance of humidity and cold.



The way I think I'm solving the humidity problem is with this jar of water that has air stones in it, I bubble water in the jar and then with another hose direct that air to the tubs. It's just a pint jar, two holes in the lid, one for the intake line, one for the return. The intake has airstones on it and sunken down all the way into the water, while the return is barely through the lid, as to not get liquid into the air line. Doing this creates more moist air that doesn't accelerate the drying as much as a circulating fan would do. I've tried a fan before and of course it just dried everything out really bad which is a death sentence for the fruits. Even outdoors, if fruits start to dry they are totally lost.

The most recent ones I have made, from creating a cake to first fruit, have all been under 2 months. It takes time. The two recent ones have been in the fridge for a bit over a month now, and saw the first pin in just under a month, which is great!

Overlay! Overlay is a huge problem imo. Areas with thick overly will not fruit, altho with a new test, I think that can be corrected by applying a thin casing of coir, like less than 1/4 inch. The azure thats doing really well had bad overlay and I cased it as like I've said.

I am not dead set on the methodology of cake creation just yet, but so far the some of the better ones have been the following recipe:


50% alder pellets (soaked and turned to wood mush)
50% potting soil (I think most soil should work fine)
A sprinkling of soaked alder chips, enough to give it all a bit of texture.

About half a qt of grain spawn (I don't think you even need this much, a half pint will do since nutritious sub). I tried to get everything approximately at field capacity. I made all this in a 6qt, and the end result was quite hefty and you could certainly feel a lot of water weight in it.

So that is the recipe, it's quite simple. They grow really fast so you're looking at 2 weeks or so for full colonization.



Ok now for the tricky part. I'm letting you know, I am still doing investigatory work here, and while I totally encourage people to experiment if they want to, expect a little trial and error. The great thing about the woodlovers is they don't really contaminate like cubes do, like at all, so you don't need to worry about a cake triching out and needing to be tossed. Once they colonize a medium, they are voracious and aggressive with holding onto their sub, and will completely block trich from advancing in most cases.

An important step is consolidation, you want to let the cake chill out for a bit. Do not concern yourself with moisture at this stage, in fact let the surface get dry. You could completely desiccate the cake, you dunk it, it'll explode back to life in 2 days. That's what they do in the wild!

All of these steps are at room temp.

Edit (Addition)----

I also should mention there are two ways to go about casing. One I mentioned above, the other, you can let your cake colonize, then case. Once you see tendrils of mycelium peeking up, leave the lid of the tub off. You could probably do this from the start just as well, but again leaving the lid off to deter excessive surface growth. Weird, I know, but it works?
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Now for the fruiting. So you have a cake that should be about ready, what I'd do is put a thin casing of coir over it, coir a bit over field capacity, but not dripping.

Keep it about 50-54F. Use a laser thermometer and make sure the cake surface is at those temps and not just the set temp of the fridge. You can go a little lower if you want but below 45F is not needed.

Now you just wait. Hopefully in 4-6w you'll see some action.


IF this doesn't produce results, what you should do is take the cake out, let it chill out without hydrating for a few weeks, and repeat the above steps.

Once you see fruits, you can totally directly mist them. They are rain mushrooms after all, and love being rained on outdoors haha, so they in fact welcome a bit extra water. Unless humidity is very high, above 90%, you will want to occasionally mist pins/fruits. Glistening with water.

I know this all sounds like some overly complicated shit that only a crazy person would follow through with, due to the amount of time. Think of it like this, with a few chiseling away at this, and some tiring genetic work, we can get the time down even more, and hopefully improve yields. If everyone dismissed these species and left them to the kooks, well we may never explore such a wonderful family of species. I'm positive with a bit of creativity and passion we can eventually get the growth parameters and process to be much more streamlined. It is my dream that hopefully one day, we'll see many more taking interest in the woodlovers.

It's not that much work it's really all time.


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Re: Preliminary guide on how to get started with indoors. [Re: holofractal]
    #27768781 - 05/08/22 02:39 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)



Used my fish eye cam to get some great shots.

I feel so at peace just staring at them. The woodlovers melt my heart. Oh and the smell is so good, maybe a Pavlovian response haha.

I'm just keeping everything the same mostly. They are happy now so better not screw up here after all this time!


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    #27777094 - 05/14/22 04:09 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)



Looking really good. Just maintaining fae and misting occasionally.



Fae chamber and visible air stone / jar setup



Reproducing all my work from spore. If this goes well I will collate and refine all the work into something much easier to follow.


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    #27781012 - 05/17/22 01:17 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Alright looks like it's the conclusion for some. Gosh they are so damn beautiful, very bittersweet to harvest them, but I know if I don't they'll melt back into the earth.

It's only the beginning, I'm very determined to nail this down so it's easier for the adventurous to try themselves, and I think regular indoor work will certainly translate to outdoors in some aspects, that's something I am extremely excited about. Instead of an entire year to clone or select genetics, you can get a real nice performer nailed down and spawn that outdoors, in maybe a few runs. Since we are mimicking conditions of outdoors, I think there is something there with this idea for sure.

Anyways, I know this journal is quite disorganized, but once I'm closer to definitively creating a tek a new one will be made. I want to do a lot of QC and validation before anyone wastes their time.

Even to me, I don't necessarily think it's easy, but more requires getting a feel for them. Obviously, these are totally different than cubes but there's some basal similarities as well. Much greater tolerance to contamination for one, you will develop feelings for trich working with these :rofl2:. There's a fair bit of nuance with surface conditions which can be hard to manage, but it's not too bad as long as you have the right tools.

The new air stones, holy shit do they work good. 5L of air per minute. They fit in a normal mouth pint jar too, altho I recommend you use a quart jar so water doesn't splash up into the tubing.



Parts list for this stuff:

Air pump - 38L/min
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07ZG998F3/

Air stones - 5L/per min of flow. Love these.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08D3S1W22/

"Nozzles" which are just Y shaped connectors, also used these to connect everything. So dual purpose! Not as elegant as it could be but I'm a function over form kinda person.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07P18CSCH/


As for the near final results of the first azure flush, well here they are.




Lookin so good. Really happy with how everything is turning out. I can only imagine what clones, dialing in the process more, and experience will bring, and I hope to bring it to everyone who wishes to explore the woodlovers too :smile:


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Re: Preliminary guide on how to get started with indoors. [Re: holofractal]
    #27784060 - 05/19/22 09:39 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Alright final pics of this run.




It could probably do another flush. Due to the nature of these species having a long fruiting period, it can take quite awhile outdoors to get the "max" they'll put out for the year.


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