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Rain kills patches - what do?
    #27660277 - 02/15/22 05:37 PM (2 years, 17 hours ago)

Hello fellow scientists,

Here is a picture of an outdoor grow pre - rain. As soon as it rains, the mycelium in my patches gets knocked back bad, often fatally bad.



This is subaeruginosa, by the way. Olive did the most prolific write up about doing outdoor subs. His trays sit there, squashed by bricks and cardboard, and all is well. Mine get killed by rain!

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Re: Rain kills patches - what do? [Re: Surgeon] * 2
    #27660331 - 02/15/22 06:07 PM (2 years, 17 hours ago)

Cover with something like dirt, like would happen in the wild?


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Re: Rain kills patches - what do? [Re: Forrester]
    #27660796 - 02/16/22 01:28 AM (2 years, 9 hours ago)

Hi Forrester,

I find that covering with dirt at propagation stage restricts FAE and kills the growth. Though it does make sense that once the colonized chips are on their own, outside, dirt cover might help actually.

Has anyone tried an alternative casing for an outside patch, apart from dirt? Something that might breathe better?


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Re: Rain kills patches - what do? [Re: Surgeon]
    #27660803 - 02/16/22 01:54 AM (2 years, 9 hours ago)

Maybe play around with a compost/dung, worm castings, coir sand mix? Could possibly add finly chopped straw. Or vermiculite. I mean obviously that's no recipe. But seems like trying to match the soil where they grow might help. Hell. Experiment with the sub and casing.  That's what's sooo fucking awesome about this stuff 😍😍 I just have a feeling that "Match The Hatch" might be something worth sciencing it up for. . That's what's this is all about. You never know.


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Re: Rain kills patches - what do? [Re: MTZ]
    #27660805 - 02/16/22 02:08 AM (2 years, 8 hours ago)

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Yeah straw might be a really good idea!


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Re: Rain kills patches - what do? [Re: Forrester]
    #27661066 - 02/16/22 09:11 AM (2 years, 1 hour ago)

I think having the patch sloped might help too. It rains heavy here semi frequently and my patches w/ tropical species usually do pretty well in valleys where moss is found.

When it rains, water accumulates in the valley and flows right over the patches which allows for lots of water for the next flush but also enough drainage for the patch to remain relatively unharmed.

I don’t use any barriers around the patches though. Just dig a shallow hole in a valley, mix some coir and topsoil with spawn, then cover with leaf litter


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Re: Rain kills patches - what do? [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
    #27661846 - 02/16/22 08:25 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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That's what's sooo fucking awesome about this stuff 😍😍 I just have a feeling that "Match The Hatch" might be something worth sciencing it up for. . That's what's this is all about. You never know.




MTZ, my man, I am so happy you find this awesome. It is just that it takes months to see if a patch is doing okay. And when it does not, that is hours and hours of effort wasted... Apart from acquiring knowledge on what does not work, obviously. Worth it? :smile: Of course it is!

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Yeah straw might be a really good idea!




Okay, there seems to be a consensus forming regarding straw. Is it used as a casing, or gets mixed with the spawn and substrate?

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I think having the patch sloped might help too. It rains heavy here semi frequently and my patches w/ tropical species usually do pretty well in valleys where moss is found.

When it rains, water accumulates in the valley and flows right over the patches which allows for lots of water for the next flush but also enough drainage for the patch to remain relatively unharmed.

I don’t use any barriers around the patches though. Just dig a shallow hole in a valley, mix some coir and topsoil with spawn, then cover with leaf litter




Yeetusdeetus dropping some real knowledge here, thank you. Come to think about it, most of my source specimens came from sloped terrain. Go figure. Coir and dirt, huh. Leaves for casing... No peat moss or anything?


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Re: Rain kills patches - what do? [Re: Surgeon]
    #27661931 - 02/16/22 09:36 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I’ve never added peat but I guess you could if you wanted to :shrug:. I like leaf litter because it’s convenient, carrying more than a couple quarts of spawn can get daunting by itself depending on how far you’re carrying it lol.

IMO moss is a great indicator for potential patch locations. They tend to like it fairly damp and are pretty sensitive to environmental changes I think

Remember to put a stick or something in the ground to mark it so you don’t spend a bunch of time bumbling around in the woods like a serial killer trying to remember where he hid all the bodies haha


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Re: Rain kills patches - what do? [Re: Surgeon]
    #27662052 - 02/17/22 12:28 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Maybe put a clear plastic lid (like from a shoebox) with small holes in it directly over your patch?


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Re: Rain kills patches - what do? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #27662081 - 02/17/22 01:32 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

If you use straw, I was thinking just as a cover. But I have little experience growing outdoors, listen to these other guys!


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Re: Rain kills patches - what do? [Re: Forrester]
    #27662093 - 02/17/22 01:44 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Straw's a good choice too. But for really rainy days, you want an actual roof of some sort. Large leafs like Oak or Maple leafs work well too.


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Re: Rain kills patches - what do? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #27665059 - 02/19/22 11:32 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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I’ve never added peat but I guess you could if you wanted to :shrug:. I like leaf litter because it’s convenient, carrying more than a couple quarts of spawn can get daunting by itself depending on how far you’re carrying it lol.

IMO moss is a great indicator for potential patch locations. They tend to like it fairly damp and are pretty sensitive to environmental changes I think

Remember to put a stick or something in the ground to mark it so you don’t spend a bunch of time bumbling around in the woods like a serial killer trying to remember where he hid all the bodies haha




Dude, you are like a mushroom Jesus! I am making my patches in my backyard. :smile: Buy I like your style, coir + dirt + leaves. Simple and I use coir in monotubs anyway.

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Straw's a good choice too. But for really rainy days, you want an actual roof of some sort. Large leafs like Oak or Maple leafs work well too.




Roger that, LogicaL Chaos. My thinking always went like, in nature, they dont have a cover. So they should survive a rain, but obviously my thinking does not take into account all variables, like the terrain, canopy cover, time of year... Anyway, got a few sheets of corrugated roof iron here, perfect for cover.


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Re: Rain kills patches - what do? [Re: Surgeon]
    #27665596 - 02/19/22 07:31 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Nice! That should work great. Just got to manually put in on when it rains then take it off when its cloudy/sunny conditions.

So I occasionally hunt Ps cyan in the wild here and the few times Ive gone after a heavy rain, the only surviving mushrooms were ones under large leaves. They really do protect!


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