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Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no.
    #27664751 - 02/19/22 05:39 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Hoping for Ukraine and allies.

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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Barnaby]
    #27664848 - 02/19/22 07:46 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Watch "Russia Taunts ‘Humiliated’ Biden for Wag the Dog War Hysteria!!!" on YouTube
how dare this 3rd world individual mock the king holly biden the worlds savor for unity an peace 😂.

Edited by Mach z 800 (02/24/22 04:51 AM)

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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Mach z 800]
    #27664890 - 02/19/22 08:49 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, saw the movie and the U.S. gets away with much bullshit yet going to happen.  Not the most reliable news source you posted but cyberwarfare has begun and with legitimate news sources it is about 150,000 know around the boarder.  Think they invade within a week and no one wants nukes throughout the world so I think they take it with economic and other sanctions.

Not listening to this idiot.  Took me all of 20 seconds.

In Utah they just posted on the news that Rush was dead and the one year anniversary as he is a hero here.  Not to me.  I didn't even know he had died and I follow the news closely. 

Watch whoever you want. 

Time to watch some Bill Maher.  He is still alive and pot is better than pain killers, literally.

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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Barnaby]
    #27667023 - 02/20/22 08:44 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

This week is going to be a shit show but in real life.  U.S. and allies have given up and say economic sanctions.  Will be an interesting week.  Wonder the death toll.

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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Barnaby]
    #27670780 - 02/23/22 07:16 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Russia are only trying to keep the peace... apparently? Because nothing says peace like an invasion occupation peace keeping mission with tanks :super:

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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27670935 - 02/23/22 09:26 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Russia are only trying to keep the peace... apparently? Because nothing says peace like an invasion occupation peace keeping mission with tanks :super:



Eastern Ukraine has been begging for foreign assistance to stop the killing of their people.  Russia finally decided to help, and recognized Donetsk and Luhansk, and moved in peacekeeping forces.  Here was the local reaction to the "invasion/occupation":



Don't believe it?  There's PLENTY more out there for me post.

Does Ukraine dare continue with the killings?  We'll see.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27670949 - 02/23/22 09:43 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't watch the video. Is it like those videos of Iraqis cheering as US tanks roll by, but with a jerkier language?

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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Kryptos]
    #27670980 - 02/23/22 10:21 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

What's "jerkier language"?

The difference between Iraqis cheering and Donetskans (if that's what to call them) cheering is that most Donetskans actually like Russia, while Iraqis cheering was oftentimes an Army psychological operation.

I've been to Crimea after the referendum.  People there are VERY pro-Russian.  I've seen countless videos from inside Donetsk.  It's appears to be similar.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 5
    #27670984 - 02/23/22 10:28 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Look it’s Putin’s ambassador to the Shroomery


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: koods]
    #27670987 - 02/23/22 10:33 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Hey koods!  As per usual, you have no facts, only insults?  :yawn:

As I've said many times, I don't care for Putin, I care for facts, not make-believe.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27671031 - 02/23/22 11:23 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Heya Falcon! Nice fireworks show from that crowd of 40 people :shrug:

I guess after 8 years of puddling around it was time for Russia to get serious?

Some clever footwork from Putin, legitimising those regions so they can invade occupy peace-keep without any paperwork getting out of hand.

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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27671057 - 02/24/22 12:10 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Lol RT. That is straight up kremlin propaganda. Why would they have fireworks ready like that at 4am?


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27671069 - 02/24/22 12:24 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

https://en.as.com/en/2022/02/23/latest_news/1645612095_121620.html?omnil=resrelart

Trump was impressed.

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In an interview on 'The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show', Trump said Russian President Vladimir Putin's recognition of the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics in eastern Ukraine was a "genius" and "pretty smart" move.

“Putin is now saying, ‘It’s independent,’ a large section of Ukraine. I said, ‘How smart is that?’ And he’s going to go in and be a peacekeeper,” Mr. Trump said. “That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re going to keep peace, all right. No, but think of it. Here’s a guy who’s very savvy.”

He even suggested a ‘peace force’ like that would be useful for the southern border of the United States.





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Russia are only trying to keep the peace... apparently? Because nothing says peace like a peace keeping mission with tanks :super:




See, Trump and me are in lock step here, TANKS = PEACE

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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27671079 - 02/24/22 12:44 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Seems like a full scale invasion to me.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #27671083 - 02/24/22 12:48 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Heya Falcon! Nice fireworks show from that crowd of 40 people :shrug:



Heya!  Are you trying to say you think only a small handful of people in Donetsk support separating from Ukraine?  Because that's what everyone was saying about Crimea, and I went there and found Crimea overwhelmingly supports Russia.

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I guess after 8 years of puddling around it was time for Russia to get serious?



Russia tried a lot harder than puddling around, but if you only read the mainstream media you won't hear about all their efforts.  They finally did some clever footwork to try and end the slaughter.

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Some clever footwork from Putin, legitimising those regions so they can invade occupy peace-keep without any paperwork getting out of hand.



Glad you corrected yourself.  :smirk:


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27671086 - 02/24/22 12:54 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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https://en.as.com/en/2022/02/23/latest_news/1645612095_121620.html?omnil=resrelart

Trump was impressed.

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In an interview on 'The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show', Trump said Russian President Vladimir Putin's recognition of the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics in eastern Ukraine was a "genius" and "pretty smart" move.

“Putin is now saying, ‘It’s independent,’ a large section of Ukraine. I said, ‘How smart is that?’ And he’s going to go in and be a peacekeeper,” Mr. Trump said. “That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re going to keep peace, all right. No, but think of it. Here’s a guy who’s very savvy.”

He even suggested a ‘peace force’ like that would be useful for the southern border of the United States.






Trump understands the situation a LOT better than most people.


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Russia are only trying to keep the peace... apparently? Because nothing says peace like a peace keeping mission with tanks :super:

See, Trump and me are in lock step here, TANKS = PEACE



Only 6 people died when Crimea rejoined Russia.  It'll be interesting how hard Ukrainians are willing to fight Russia.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: TNK]
    #27671088 - 02/24/22 12:56 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Seems like a full scale invasion to me.



An invasion where those who are invaded celebrate?  :shrug:


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: koods]
    #27671092 - 02/24/22 12:59 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Lol RT. That is straight up kremlin propaganda.



Have you found a fake article from RT yet?

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Why would they have fireworks ready like that at 4am?



4am?  Source, or make believe?


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27671096 - 02/24/22 01:01 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Because Putin’s speech didn’t happen until 3:30


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: koods]
    #27671104 - 02/24/22 01:13 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Source?


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27671108 - 02/24/22 01:21 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Seems like a full scale invasion to me.



An invasion where those who are invaded celebrate?  :shrug:




Yah I am sure in every invasion throughout history there is a few that celebrates


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: TNK]
    #27671116 - 02/24/22 01:45 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

You're making the same point that Stable Genius was trying to make.  "Welp, it's probably only a handful of Eastern Ukrainians who support Russia".  Same thing I heard about Crimea.

Like I said, I went to Crimea and spoke with dozens and dozens of people around the peninsula, and found that the vast majority of Crimeans really do support Russia.  And a poll taken right after Euromaidan showed that only 10% of Eastern Ukrainians wanted to stay with Ukraine.  I was unable to find more current numbers, but I suspect it's even higher given all the killings of Eastern Ukrainians by Western/Central Ukrainians.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27671118 - 02/24/22 01:56 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons after Russia agreed to honor Ukraine’s territorial sovereignty.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: koods]
    #27671119 - 02/24/22 02:00 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Ukraine citizens in the Donetsk wave their flag and sing the national anthem before the Russia war

https://www.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/t04x55/ukraine_citizens_in_the_donetsk_wave_their_flag/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27671123 - 02/24/22 02:19 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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You're making the same point that Stable Genius was trying to make.  "Welp, it's probably only a handful of Eastern Ukrainians who support Russia".  Same thing I heard about Crimea.

Like I said, I went to Crimea and spoke with dozens and dozens of people around the peninsula, and found that the vast majority of Crimeans really do support Russia.  And a poll taken right after Euromaidan showed that only 10% of Eastern Ukrainians wanted to stay with Ukraine.  I was unable to find more current numbers, but I suspect it's even higher given all the killings of Eastern Ukrainians by Western/Central Ukrainians.




10%?

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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Stable Genius] * 3
    #27671129 - 02/24/22 02:33 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Falcon hasn’t posted on the Shroomery in five months, until tonight. The night Russia invades ukraine. :laugh2:


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: koods]
    #27671135 - 02/24/22 02:41 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Hehe I was hoping the FalconWolvrn would return. I've tried keeping up with RT News but it's just not the same.

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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27671150 - 02/24/22 03:08 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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And a poll taken right after Euromaidan showed that only 10% of Eastern Ukrainians wanted to stay with Ukraine.  I was unable to find more current numbers, but I suspect it's even higher given all the killings of Eastern Ukrainians by Western/Central Ukrainians.






I don't think so Falcon


https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2014/05/08/despite-concerns-about-governance-ukrainians-want-to-remain-one-country/


https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/06/10/key-findings-from-our-poll-on-the-russia-ukraine-conflict/ft_15-06-09-ukraine-secede/

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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27671155 - 02/24/22 03:19 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Not so polarizing after all, imagine that.

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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
    #27671300 - 02/24/22 07:26 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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What's "jerkier language"?

The difference between Iraqis cheering and Donetskans (if that's what to call them) cheering is that most Donetskans actually like Russia, while Iraqis cheering was oftentimes an Army psychological operation.

I've been to Crimea after the referendum.  People there are VERY pro-Russian.  I've seen countless videos from inside Donetsk.  It's appears to be similar.




Totally legitimate crowds this time. Last time was a psyop, but now the crowds are super duper legit.

Suped duper pooper legit.

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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: TNK]
    #27671557 - 02/24/22 11:18 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Ukraine citizens in the Donetsk wave their flag and sing the national anthem before the Russia war

https://www.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/t04x55/ukraine_citizens_in_the_donetsk_wave_their_flag/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3



That was in Mariupol.  Here is an interesting map showing where the Separatists are concentrated (not Mariupol):



I don't know what the numbers are in the non-highlighted areas.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
    #27671568 - 02/24/22 11:22 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

That map really clears it up! No wonder Putin put soldiers in Kiev, which is...nowhere near those provinces that are full of jubilant pro-Russia supporters!

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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27671588 - 02/24/22 11:34 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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And a poll taken right after Euromaidan showed that only 10% of Eastern Ukrainians wanted to stay with Ukraine.  I was unable to find more current numbers, but I suspect it's even higher given all the killings of Eastern Ukrainians by Western/Central Ukrainians.



I don't think so Falcon


https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2014/05/08/despite-concerns-about-governance-ukrainians-want-to-remain-one-country/


https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/06/10/key-findings-from-our-poll-on-the-russia-ukraine-conflict/ft_15-06-09-ukraine-secede/



There were many different polls taken.

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An opinion poll that was taken on the day of the referendum and the day before by a correspondent of the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, The Washington Post, and five other media outlets found that of those people who intended to vote, 94.8% would vote for independence.  Even with those who said they would not vote counted in, a 65.6% majority supported separation from Ukraine.




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In the referendum in the eastern Ukrainian region of Donetsk, according to the separatists, 89 percent of respondents were in favor of secession from Kiev. A sample survey by the F.A.Z. and six other media outlets also pointed to an overwhelming majority.




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    #27671627 - 02/24/22 11:57 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

The separatists did the polling lol


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: koods]
    #27671643 - 02/24/22 12:10 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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The separatists did the polling lol



The same thing happened in Crimea.  How do we know what's real?  I went to Crimea to find out, and learned the US version was bullshit.  Maybe you should go to Donetsk if you don't believe what the locals there are saying.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27671816 - 02/24/22 02:20 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Source?

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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Kryptos]
    #27671830 - 02/24/22 02:38 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Source for what?  That I went to Crimea and spoke with over 50 people from all around the peninsula?

Check the flag next to my location in this thread.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27671832 - 02/24/22 02:40 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

You really do like to rely on personal anecdotes while asking other for sources, don't you?

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    #27671839 - 02/24/22 02:44 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Nononono... he talked to literally dozens of people and watched countless videos. There's no way his limited personal experience doesn't accurately represent things.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Kryptos]
    #27671840 - 02/24/22 02:44 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

There are two conflicting versions of the story.  How would you determine which is real if not going to the very source?  :popcorn:


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27671841 - 02/24/22 02:45 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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You're making the same point that Stable Genius was trying to make.  "Welp, it's probably only a handful of Eastern Ukrainians who support Russia".  Same thing I heard about Crimea.

Like I said, I went to Crimea and spoke with dozens and dozens of people around the peninsula, and found that the vast majority of Crimeans really do support Russia.  And a poll taken right after Euromaidan showed that only 10% of Eastern Ukrainians wanted to stay with Ukraine.  I was unable to find more current numbers, but I suspect it's even higher given all the killings of Eastern Ukrainians by Western/Central Ukrainians.




Journalists travelling to those regions had to get permission from the Ukraine army, then from the separatists in charge...
How is it that Eastern Ukraine people are being murdered if they control the region with over 90%? support?... it sort of doesn't add up.

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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27671843 - 02/24/22 02:45 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Nononono... he talked to literally dozens of people and watched countless videos. There's no way his limited personal experience doesn't accurately represent things.



Why don't you tell me how would you determine which story is real if not going to the very source?  :popcorn:


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27671845 - 02/24/22 02:46 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

It’s ok, hes got data supplied by the people trying to justify Russian annexation that says almost everyone supports the annexation.


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    #27671851 - 02/24/22 02:50 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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It’s ok, hes got data supplied by the people trying to justify Russian annexation that says almost everyone supports the annexation.



When I saw the headlines yesterday, I thought to myself - bet Falcon91Wolvrn03 starts posting again - lo and behold :lol:


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    #27671855 - 02/24/22 02:50 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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How is it that Eastern Ukraine people are being murdered if they control the region with over 90%? support?... it sort of doesn't add up.



I don't understand why you think this doesn't add up.  The Ukrainian Army simply goes to Eastern Ukraine and fights with the Eastern Ukrainians, that's how.  :shrug:


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27671859 - 02/24/22 02:57 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sample_size_determination



Excellent!!!  Now if I spoke with 50 random people from all over Crimea, who all told me the same thing, what is the probably that thing is true?  :popcorn:

Let me know if you need help with the calculation, or if you were just hoping I don't understand statistics (math was one of my three majors).


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27671882 - 02/24/22 03:16 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Depends, was either of your other two majors statistics or experimental design?

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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Kryptos]
    #27671974 - 02/24/22 04:57 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I majored in math, with a concentration in statistics.  My other two majors are here.

This is very simple probability, which requires no degree.

If the general population is split about whether the majority supports Russia or not, then the odds of 50 people giving me the same answer is 0.5^50, or about 0.0000000000000888%

So the data I gathered is EXTREMELY reliable and HIGHLY unlikely to be wrong.  :shrug:


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    #27671977 - 02/24/22 05:03 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

You didn’t randomly sample the general population. I’m doubtful someone on the pro-Ukraine side would be openly revealing their loyalties to a Putin apologist like yourself, or to Russian separatists running a poll. Give us a break.

You came back here after a six month absence to shamelessly shill for Putin.

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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: koods]
    #27671987 - 02/24/22 05:12 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

More make believe?  :shake:

I randomly spoke with people all over Crimea.  It doesn't get more random than that.  The only time it wasn't random is when I went out of my way to find people who were opposed to Crimea leaving Ukraine.  Even they agreed the vast majority of Crimeans wanted to leave Ukraine.

By intentionally seeking such people out, the odds of everyone agreeing most Crimeans wanted to leave Russia is even lower than what I posted above.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27672013 - 02/24/22 05:32 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

So you randomly sampled 50 people and every single one wanted to leave Ukraine even though 10% of the population wanted to remain based on polling. Your result is extremely unlikely.

This whole story about you going on a fact finding mission is total bullshit. Roaming the country side playing Gallup. Whatever. You’ve always been full of shit. I see no reason why anyone should believe your testimony. You are irredeemably biased.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: koods]
    #27672021 - 02/24/22 05:36 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

No, I said every single one of them agreed that the vast majority of people in Crimea wanted to leave.

I stated that I spoke with people who didn't want to leave.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27672027 - 02/24/22 05:40 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Lol so you asked people what they thought other people were thinking.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: koods]
    #27672039 - 02/24/22 05:48 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

No one I spoke with in Crimea disputed the Crimean election results is my point.  They felt it was close to what they expected.

Do think the US Presidential election results were reasonably close to what you expected?

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    #27672156 - 02/24/22 06:51 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)



OP, one of the things I like about FalconWolvrn posting is he does a bloody good job at offering a different opinion, which is a handy thing  :awesomenod:

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    #27672168 - 02/24/22 06:58 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Like it's fucking wall to wall "Russian aggression" on the tv... it's easy to get sucked into one narrative and end up ill-informed.

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    #27672171 - 02/24/22 07:01 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Good video.  Thanks.  :thumbup:


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Kryptos]
    #27672207 - 02/24/22 07:37 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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That map really clears it up! No wonder Putin put soldiers in Kiev, which is...nowhere near those provinces that are full of jubilant pro-Russia supporters!




You have to admit, it's closer than their bases in Africa.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27672216 - 02/24/22 07:45 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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I majored in math, with a concentration in statistics.  My other two majors are here.

This is very simple probability, which requires no degree.

If the general population is split about whether the majority supports Russia or not, then the odds of 50 people giving me the same answer is 0.5^50, or about 0.0000000000000888%

So the data I gathered is EXTREMELY reliable and HIGHLY unlikely to be wrong.  :shrug:




Did you mean to use 'reliable'? In statistics reliability only means consistency and has no bearing on validity. If your bathroom scale always measures your weight as 17 pounds higher than your true weight, it is 100% reliable.


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    #27672300 - 02/24/22 09:03 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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...the data I gathered is EXTREMELY reliable and HIGHLY unlikely to be wrong.  :shrug:



Did you mean to use 'reliable'? In statistics reliability only means consistency and has no bearing on validity. If your bathroom scale always measures your weight as 17 pounds higher than your true weight, it is 100% reliable.



That's why I added "...and HIGHLY unlikely to be wrong".  If you prefer, I'd be happy to change my statement to "the data I gathered is EXTREMELY valid and HIGHLY unlikely to be wrong."


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27672333 - 02/24/22 09:26 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Source?

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    #27672383 - 02/24/22 10:14 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

My claim was that no one I spoke with in Crimea disputed the Crimean election results in a random sampling of 50 people.  That means it very highly likely that most people in Crimea agree with the election results.

Are you asking for a lesson in statistics?


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    #27672400 - 02/24/22 10:31 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Well shit.  Staring this thread, thought it would be bad but not this bad. 

Seeing all those people trying to drive out of Kyiv, I dated a woman from there once and she doesn't like the Russians and that was awhile ago.  Now my brother married one last year and they lived in the Federation for a bit.  Now I just say as they live off my mothers and late fathers money, fuck zee Russians and Putin.

They are both in the U.S. now with her teen kid and, will stay here.  Needless to say. 

Wow that happened quickly.  Nice surprise move.

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...the data I gathered is EXTREMELY reliable and HIGHLY unlikely to be wrong.  :shrug:



Did you mean to use 'reliable'? In statistics reliability only means consistency and has no bearing on validity. If your bathroom scale always measures your weight as 17 pounds higher than your true weight, it is 100% reliable.



That's why I added "...and HIGHLY unlikely to be wrong".  If you prefer, I'd be happy to change my statement to "the data I gathered is EXTREMELY valid and HIGHLY unlikely to be wrong."




It's not a matter of preference, at least not mine. You could prefer to be right and say validity or absolutely wrong and say reliability.


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    #27673052 - 02/25/22 12:27 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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My claim was that no one I spoke with in Crimea disputed the Crimean election results in a random sampling of 50 people.  That means it very highly likely that most people in Crimea agree with the election results.

Are you asking for a lesson in statistics?




I would like you to source that your 50 conversations were a random sampling.

After that, we can start focusing on sources backing up that these conversations actually happened.

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    #27673122 - 02/25/22 01:44 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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I would like you to source that your 50 conversations were a random sampling.



I spoke with random people all over the peninsula.  People I met on the beach, hotel owners and workers, bartenders and waiters/waitresses, tour guides, bus/taxi drivers, etc.

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After that, we can start focusing on sources backing up that these conversations actually happened.



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You can add  me to the list of people who don't believe you .



Do you trust Gallup?

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Gallup conducted an immediate post-referendum survey of Ukraine and Crimea and published their results in April 2014. Gallup reported that, among the population of Crimea, 93.6% of ethnic Russians and 68.4% of ethnic Ukrainians believed the referendum result accurately represents the will of the Crimean people. Only 1.7% of ethnic Russians and 14.5% of ethnic Ukrainians living in Crimea thought that the referendum results didn't accurately reflect the views of the Crimean people.




Of course, most of Crimea is ethnic Russian.  So you don't have to believe me, there are plenty of other sources confirming what I said.

Granted this information means in my sample of 50 people, I should have found about 3 (on average) who didn't believe the results.  Oh well.  :shrug:

And only 14.5% of Ukrainians didn't believe the referendum results.  It's people from other countries who know nothing about Crimea who like to believe the results aren't real.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27673245 - 02/25/22 03:30 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

There are allot of Russians that don't want their soldiers dying  invading Ukrainian . I went to Russia once , everyone I met said Putin is an embarrassment and a psychopath . 
  I've never met a single Russian here or in Russia that supports Putin .


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MOSCOW — Shocked Russians turned out by the thousands Thursday to decry their country's invasion of Ukraine as emotional calls for protests grew on social media. Some 1,745 people in 54 Russian cities were detained, at least 957 of them in Moscow.

Hundreds of posts came pouring in condemning Moscow's most aggressive actions since the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Vladimir Putin called the attack a "special military operation" to protect civilians in eastern Ukraine from "genocide" — a false claim the U.S. had predicted would be a pretext for invasion, and which many Russians roundly rejected.

Tatyana Usmanova, an opposition activist in Moscow, wrote on Facebook that she thought she was dreaming when she awoke at 5:30 a.m. to the news, which she called "a disgrace that will be forever with us now."

In Ukraine, the road to war was paved by the failure of diplomacy
UKRAINE INVASION — EXPLAINED
In Ukraine, the road to war was paved by the failure of diplomacy
"I want to ask Ukrainians for forgiveness. We didn't vote for thos




https://www.npr.org/2022/02/25/1083001481/hundreds-arrested-as-shocked-russians-protest-ukraine-attack


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Psilynut2]
    #27673278 - 02/25/22 04:20 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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There are allot of Russians that don't want their soldiers dying  invading Ukrainian .



Of course.  And there are a lot who don't want Eastern Ukrainians to be slaughtered either, but thousands have been killed since 2014.

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I went to Russia once , everyone I met said Putin is an embarrassment and a psychopath . 
  I've never met a single Russian here or in Russia that supports Putin .



Then you probably didn't talk to very many Russians, since his approval rating has historically been around 60% or more (which about the approval I've noticed from all the Russians I've spoken with).

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MOSCOW — Shocked Russians turned out by the thousands Thursday to decry their country's invasion of Ukraine as emotional calls for protests grew on social media. Some 1,745 people in 54 Russian cities were detained, at least 957 of them in Moscow.

Hundreds of posts came pouring in condemning Moscow's most aggressive actions since the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Vladimir Putin called the attack a "special military operation" to protect civilians in eastern Ukraine from "genocide" — a false claim the U.S. had predicted would be a pretext for invasion, and which many Russians roundly rejected.

Tatyana Usmanova, an opposition activist in Moscow, wrote on Facebook that she thought she was dreaming when she awoke at 5:30 a.m. to the news, which she called "a disgrace that will be forever with us now."

In Ukraine, the road to war was paved by the failure of diplomacy
UKRAINE INVASION — EXPLAINED
In Ukraine, the road to war was paved by the failure of diplomacy
"I want to ask Ukrainians for forgiveness. We didn't vote for thos




https://www.npr.org/2022/02/25/1083001481/hundreds-arrested-as-shocked-russians-protest-ukraine-attack



Sure, some Russians are against this, just as many Americans have been against US military involvement in other countries.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27673323 - 02/25/22 04:52 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Hopefully Russians will put a bullet in their dictator’s head. They’ve been pushovers for a century. It’s time they get off their weak lazy drunk asses and stand up for themselves and stop being a third world country

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    #27673342 - 02/25/22 05:08 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

US intelligence says Putin may start targeting civilians due to stronger resistance. Should be noted that this intelligence has been spot on concerning Ukraine and Russia. The guy who was saying this last week said the invasion would start exactly when it started.


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    #27673359 - 02/25/22 05:18 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Tab for Ukraine, every time you open a tab it raises money to support humanitarian aid for families in the country.

https://tab.gladly.io/ukraine/

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    #27673371 - 02/25/22 05:26 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Maybe our own leader is the problem?




  No I'm pretty sure Putin is responsible for his own actions .  It's his military,
  It's sickening to me that people are blaming Biden for Putin's choices .  You sound like a child .


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Psilynut2]
    #27673394 - 02/25/22 05:53 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

He’s not a child. He’s the Russian ambassador to the Shroomery

If the Russian people support Putin then we should freeze all Russian assets. Ban all travel. Cut them off and make them suffer until they do something about their government. Make their lives miserable.

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Maybe our own leader is the problem?




  No I'm pretty sure Putin is responsible for his own actions .  It's his military,
  It's sickening to me that people are blaming Biden for Putin's choices .  You sound like a child .



Biden chose not to negotiate.  Stupid move.


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    #27673408 - 02/25/22 06:07 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

You are a liar


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    #27673415 - 02/25/22 06:13 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Can you please post something about the negotiation then? 

President Joe Biden confirms he has no plan to talk with Putin amid Russian invasion


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    #27673417 - 02/25/22 06:17 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Biden chose not to negotiate.  Stupid move.



   
     
That's an example of a choice Biden made , in an alternate universe perhaps .

  The Russian military crossing into Ukrainian would be an example of a choice made by Putin .


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    #27673420 - 02/25/22 06:21 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Can you please post something about the negotiation then? 



 
  Who cares if negotiates or not ? Putin is responsible for his own militaries actions . He's invading his neighbor , this shit is 100% his decision and whatever happens in Ukrainian is his responsibility .


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    #27673422 - 02/25/22 06:22 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Ok then, fighting back with Russia is a choice the Ukrainians made.  It's their fault if they lose lives as a result.  Anyone can play your silly games.


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    #27673424 - 02/25/22 06:24 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

You’re shameless


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    #27673425 - 02/25/22 06:24 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

It's my fault if I fight back and people die when someone invades my country ? 
  Holy fucking shit dude .


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    #27673433 - 02/25/22 06:34 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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You’re shameless



And you own me evidence of a negotiation, or an apology for calling me a liar.


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    #27673434 - 02/25/22 06:34 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Ukraine says it shot down a Russian transport plane with over 100 troops on board. The only good Russian soldier is a dead Russian soldier.


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    #27673435 - 02/25/22 06:35 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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It's my fault if I fight back and people die when someone invades my country ? 
  Holy fucking shit dude .



It's my fault if I choose not to negotiate to avoid/end a war?  Holy shit dude.


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    #27673436 - 02/25/22 06:35 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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koods said:
You’re shameless



And you own me evidence of a negotiation, or an apology for calling me a liar.




Lol apology. Get bent.


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    #27673440 - 02/25/22 06:38 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I knew you were just make believing again.  No surprise.


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    #27673443 - 02/25/22 06:46 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

You left six months ago because nobody was buying your bullshit anymore, but now you’re back to shill for Putin and his war crimes. It’s both hilarious and gross at the same time.


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    #27673446 - 02/25/22 06:49 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

You’re a broken record



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    #27673449 - 02/25/22 06:54 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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t's my fault if I choose not to negotiate to avoid/end a war



 
    Are you the one with the giant army and nuclear weapons doing the invading or the tiny little one that knows it will lose ?


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    #27673453 - 02/25/22 06:56 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

The Russians are leaving their dead and wounded on the battlefield. 24 hours elapsed between these photos





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    #27673456 - 02/25/22 06:58 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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t's my fault if I choose not to negotiate to avoid/end a war



 
    Are you the one with the giant army and nuclear weapons doing the invading or the tiny little one that knows it will lose ?




The reason Ukraine has no nuclear weapons is they agreed to give them up in return for Russia agreeing to not violate their sovereignty.


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    #27673488 - 02/25/22 07:33 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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You left six months ago because nobody was buying your bullshit anymore, but now you’re back to shill for Putin and his war crimes. It’s both hilarious and gross at the same time.



Still no evidence that I was lying?  I knew you were a make believer.


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    #27673492 - 02/25/22 07:36 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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You’re a broken record





It's because you just keep on make believing.  :shrug:  :smirk:

I don't know how anyone can take you seriously anymore.  Do a search for "Source, or make believe" and see that every time I ask it's always make believe, including right now.  :lol:


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    #27673505 - 02/25/22 07:56 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Usually followed up by some personal anecdote masquerading as a source.

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    #27673524 - 02/25/22 08:20 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Can you give an example, like I previously asked for?

Again, even if you don't believe my Crimea story, I've backed it with polls.


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    #27673552 - 02/25/22 09:01 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Sure. I doubt that your 50 conversations with random pedestrians in crimea were a random sampling.

It's a great personal anecdote, though.

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    #27673565 - 02/25/22 09:20 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Ok, but I provided evidence that my story was accurate, even if you don't believe my story.


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    #27673703 - 02/26/22 12:25 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Russian cruise missile or some kind of large shell goes right through a residential high rise outside of Kyiv near the airport. Russians are trying to take it right now. Two transport planes taken down overnight 350+ Russians dead. Russian tanks were destroyed trying to enter Kyiv. Reports are that civilians have successfully prevented Russian soldiers from entering the city with heavy casualties.

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1497471051818618884?s=21


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    #27674032 - 02/26/22 09:59 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Good , fuck Russia and everyone who supports this shit .


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    #27674089 - 02/26/22 11:03 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Good , fuck Russia and everyone who supports this shit .



The US is the greatest supporter of this war, so fuck them?  They talked Zelensky out of negotiations after he agreed to have them with Russia, which would have saved many lives.

Ukraine’s leadership has rejected negotiations


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    #27674100 - 02/26/22 11:16 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Blah blah blah. Blame everyone except Putin for launching a war of choice. You’re fucking gross dude.


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    #27674121 - 02/26/22 11:38 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Enjoy your extraordinary ignorance on this.  The US has invaded other countries for FAR less.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
    #27674147 - 02/26/22 11:55 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

It's a REALLY weird position to take that: US wars of aggression were bad, therefore this Russian war of aggression is OK.

If anything, this war proves that Ukraine had a good fucking reason to be pursuing NATO membership.

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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27674162 - 02/26/22 12:09 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Enjoy your extraordinary ignorance on this.  The US has invaded other countries for FAR less.




So what? This thread is about the Russian dictator’s invasion of a sovereign democratic nation.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Lynnch]
    #27674168 - 02/26/22 12:13 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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It's a REALLY weird position to take that: US wars of aggression were bad, therefore this Russian war of aggression is OK.

If anything, this war proves that Ukraine had a good fucking reason to be pursuing NATO membership.




He’s making a fool of himself. He doesn’t care. He’s been doing that for years


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Lynnch]
    #27674174 - 02/26/22 12:16 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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It's a REALLY weird position to take that: US wars of aggression were bad, therefore this Russian war of aggression is OK.

If anything, this war proves that Ukraine had a good fucking reason to be pursuing NATO membership.



Yes, US wars of aggression are bad.  Yes, Russian wars of aggression are bad.

The point is that Russia didn't want to invade, they just wanted security and the US/Ukraine gave Russia the finger.  So now Russia has to fight for its security.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: koods]
    #27674176 - 02/26/22 12:17 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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He’s making a fool of himself. He doesn’t care. He’s been doing that for years



Koods is unable to make an honest or logical argument, so he resorts to ad hominem attacks.  He's been doing that for years.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27674179 - 02/26/22 12:18 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

A simple question: are the tanks of the 'collective West' now entering Russian territory?  Or is it Russian tanks entering the territory of Ukraine?

By answering this question, you can easily understand who is pursuing the imperialist policy in this particular conflict.


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    #27674181 - 02/26/22 12:20 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

They didn’t want to invade. You are priceless. Holy shit. They invaded. The west doesn’t owe Russia anything and Ukraine can choose to ally with who ever they want. Russia doesn’t have the right to dictate anything, especially by force.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27674203 - 02/26/22 12:30 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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A simple question: are the tanks of the 'collective West' now entering Russian territory?  Or is it Russian tanks entering the territory of Ukraine?

By answering this question, you can easily understand who is pursuing the imperialist policy in this particular conflict.



What I've been saying is that Russia tried to avoid war, but the US/Ukraine ignored anything they said, and now Russia is finally doing something about their security being ignored.

Yes, Russia is the aggressor now, but it's clear to anyone who's been following the background of this (I don't know if you watched some of the longer videos I recently posted) that Russia's current actions are quite expected.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: koods]
    #27674204 - 02/26/22 12:31 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Russia doesn’t have the right to dictate anything, especially by force.



And the US has that right?  What?  We're the ones who orchestrated the coup against Ukraine's democratically elected President to make them a US puppet.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27674240 - 02/26/22 12:56 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I’m not doing the whataboutism. Even if your premise is accurate, that changes nothing. Russia has no right to invade Ukraine.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Barnaby]
    #27674331 - 02/26/22 01:58 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Wow.  Modern warfare.  "Russia moves in heavy flamethrower weapon." 

That is amazing, sets the air on fire and takes all the oxygen out of ones lungs.  Is just so strange a industrialized nation where they are giving guns to citizens to fight and was surprised that they are just kind of giving weapons from other industrialized countries to the Ukraine but won't go full in because of the threat of the nuke and Putin saying we will all basically go heaven anyway which made me laugh.

Will be interesting when Kyiv falls and I think they will stop with the Ukraine.  Germany, like the Norm McDonald joke, in world war 1 and 2 said, it us declaring war on the world.  Which I also found amusing. 

I get what Russia is doing and the reasons for it.  Not for it but get it.  Next week will be interesting. 

Those 15 guys on that island before dying saying fuck you when the warship said to surrender before killed.  Wow.



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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Barnaby]
    #27674353 - 02/26/22 02:16 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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I get what Russia is doing and the reasons for it.  Not for it but get it.  Next week will be interesting. 




      He's bringing in those weapons to terrorize civilians .  I'm curious why it is you think this type of aggression against a peaceful country is understandable ?


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #27674429 - 02/26/22 03:29 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

its sad to see even this forum has Kremlin trolls

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    #27674975 - 02/26/22 11:55 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Falcon has a very funny idea of what a "peacekeeping force" is. Speaking right as Russia is lobbing missles at apartment buildings and little kids. Extremely peaceful. I need to consult a dictionary.

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    #27675006 - 02/27/22 01:36 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

It's a mostly peaceful peace keeping force! :naughty:

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