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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27672300 - 02/24/22 09:03 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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...the data I gathered is EXTREMELY reliable and HIGHLY unlikely to be wrong.  :shrug:



Did you mean to use 'reliable'? In statistics reliability only means consistency and has no bearing on validity. If your bathroom scale always measures your weight as 17 pounds higher than your true weight, it is 100% reliable.



That's why I added "...and HIGHLY unlikely to be wrong".  If you prefer, I'd be happy to change my statement to "the data I gathered is EXTREMELY valid and HIGHLY unlikely to be wrong."


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27672333 - 02/24/22 09:26 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Source?

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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Kryptos]
    #27672383 - 02/24/22 10:14 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

My claim was that no one I spoke with in Crimea disputed the Crimean election results in a random sampling of 50 people.  That means it very highly likely that most people in Crimea agree with the election results.

Are you asking for a lesson in statistics?


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Barnaby]
    #27672400 - 02/24/22 10:31 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Well shit.  Staring this thread, thought it would be bad but not this bad. 

Seeing all those people trying to drive out of Kyiv, I dated a woman from there once and she doesn't like the Russians and that was awhile ago.  Now my brother married one last year and they lived in the Federation for a bit.  Now I just say as they live off my mothers and late fathers money, fuck zee Russians and Putin.

They are both in the U.S. now with her teen kid and, will stay here.  Needless to say. 

Wow that happened quickly.  Nice surprise move.

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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27672849 - 02/25/22 09:56 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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...the data I gathered is EXTREMELY reliable and HIGHLY unlikely to be wrong.  :shrug:



Did you mean to use 'reliable'? In statistics reliability only means consistency and has no bearing on validity. If your bathroom scale always measures your weight as 17 pounds higher than your true weight, it is 100% reliable.



That's why I added "...and HIGHLY unlikely to be wrong".  If you prefer, I'd be happy to change my statement to "the data I gathered is EXTREMELY valid and HIGHLY unlikely to be wrong."




It's not a matter of preference, at least not mine. You could prefer to be right and say validity or absolutely wrong and say reliability.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27673052 - 02/25/22 12:27 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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My claim was that no one I spoke with in Crimea disputed the Crimean election results in a random sampling of 50 people.  That means it very highly likely that most people in Crimea agree with the election results.

Are you asking for a lesson in statistics?




I would like you to source that your 50 conversations were a random sampling.

After that, we can start focusing on sources backing up that these conversations actually happened.

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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Kryptos]
    #27673121 - 02/25/22 01:42 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Kryptos]
    #27673122 - 02/25/22 01:44 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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I would like you to source that your 50 conversations were a random sampling.



I spoke with random people all over the peninsula.  People I met on the beach, hotel owners and workers, bartenders and waiters/waitresses, tour guides, bus/taxi drivers, etc.

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After that, we can start focusing on sources backing up that these conversations actually happened.



So you're saying you don't believe my story about Crimea.  That's your choice.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27673156 - 02/25/22 02:16 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27673169 - 02/25/22 02:27 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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So you're saying you don't believe my story about Crimea.  That's your choice.




  You can add  me to the list of people who don't believe you .


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Psilynut2]
    #27673206 - 02/25/22 02:55 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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You can add  me to the list of people who don't believe you .



Do you trust Gallup?

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Gallup conducted an immediate post-referendum survey of Ukraine and Crimea and published their results in April 2014. Gallup reported that, among the population of Crimea, 93.6% of ethnic Russians and 68.4% of ethnic Ukrainians believed the referendum result accurately represents the will of the Crimean people. Only 1.7% of ethnic Russians and 14.5% of ethnic Ukrainians living in Crimea thought that the referendum results didn't accurately reflect the views of the Crimean people.




Of course, most of Crimea is ethnic Russian.  So you don't have to believe me, there are plenty of other sources confirming what I said.

Granted this information means in my sample of 50 people, I should have found about 3 (on average) who didn't believe the results.  Oh well.  :shrug:

And only 14.5% of Ukrainians didn't believe the referendum results.  It's people from other countries who know nothing about Crimea who like to believe the results aren't real.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27673245 - 02/25/22 03:30 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

There are allot of Russians that don't want their soldiers dying  invading Ukrainian . I went to Russia once , everyone I met said Putin is an embarrassment and a psychopath . 
  I've never met a single Russian here or in Russia that supports Putin .


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MOSCOW — Shocked Russians turned out by the thousands Thursday to decry their country's invasion of Ukraine as emotional calls for protests grew on social media. Some 1,745 people in 54 Russian cities were detained, at least 957 of them in Moscow.

Hundreds of posts came pouring in condemning Moscow's most aggressive actions since the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Vladimir Putin called the attack a "special military operation" to protect civilians in eastern Ukraine from "genocide" — a false claim the U.S. had predicted would be a pretext for invasion, and which many Russians roundly rejected.

Tatyana Usmanova, an opposition activist in Moscow, wrote on Facebook that she thought she was dreaming when she awoke at 5:30 a.m. to the news, which she called "a disgrace that will be forever with us now."

In Ukraine, the road to war was paved by the failure of diplomacy
UKRAINE INVASION — EXPLAINED
In Ukraine, the road to war was paved by the failure of diplomacy
"I want to ask Ukrainians for forgiveness. We didn't vote for thos




https://www.npr.org/2022/02/25/1083001481/hundreds-arrested-as-shocked-russians-protest-ukraine-attack


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Psilynut2]
    #27673278 - 02/25/22 04:20 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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There are allot of Russians that don't want their soldiers dying  invading Ukrainian .



Of course.  And there are a lot who don't want Eastern Ukrainians to be slaughtered either, but thousands have been killed since 2014.

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I went to Russia once , everyone I met said Putin is an embarrassment and a psychopath . 
  I've never met a single Russian here or in Russia that supports Putin .



Then you probably didn't talk to very many Russians, since his approval rating has historically been around 60% or more (which about the approval I've noticed from all the Russians I've spoken with).

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MOSCOW — Shocked Russians turned out by the thousands Thursday to decry their country's invasion of Ukraine as emotional calls for protests grew on social media. Some 1,745 people in 54 Russian cities were detained, at least 957 of them in Moscow.

Hundreds of posts came pouring in condemning Moscow's most aggressive actions since the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Vladimir Putin called the attack a "special military operation" to protect civilians in eastern Ukraine from "genocide" — a false claim the U.S. had predicted would be a pretext for invasion, and which many Russians roundly rejected.

Tatyana Usmanova, an opposition activist in Moscow, wrote on Facebook that she thought she was dreaming when she awoke at 5:30 a.m. to the news, which she called "a disgrace that will be forever with us now."

In Ukraine, the road to war was paved by the failure of diplomacy
UKRAINE INVASION — EXPLAINED
In Ukraine, the road to war was paved by the failure of diplomacy
"I want to ask Ukrainians for forgiveness. We didn't vote for thos




https://www.npr.org/2022/02/25/1083001481/hundreds-arrested-as-shocked-russians-protest-ukraine-attack



Sure, some Russians are against this, just as many Americans have been against US military involvement in other countries.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27673323 - 02/25/22 04:52 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Hopefully Russians will put a bullet in their dictator’s head. They’ve been pushovers for a century. It’s time they get off their weak lazy drunk asses and stand up for themselves and stop being a third world country

Edited by koods (02/25/22 04:55 PM)

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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: koods] * 1
    #27673337 - 02/25/22 05:05 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: koods]
    #27673342 - 02/25/22 05:08 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

US intelligence says Putin may start targeting civilians due to stronger resistance. Should be noted that this intelligence has been spot on concerning Ukraine and Russia. The guy who was saying this last week said the invasion would start exactly when it started.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Barnaby]
    #27673359 - 02/25/22 05:18 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Tab for Ukraine, every time you open a tab it raises money to support humanitarian aid for families in the country.

https://tab.gladly.io/ukraine/

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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27673371 - 02/25/22 05:26 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Maybe our own leader is the problem?




  No I'm pretty sure Putin is responsible for his own actions .  It's his military,
  It's sickening to me that people are blaming Biden for Putin's choices .  You sound like a child .


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Psilynut2]
    #27673394 - 02/25/22 05:53 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

He’s not a child. He’s the Russian ambassador to the Shroomery

If the Russian people support Putin then we should freeze all Russian assets. Ban all travel. Cut them off and make them suffer until they do something about their government. Make their lives miserable.

Edited by koods (02/25/22 06:06 PM)

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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: koods]
    #27673407 - 02/25/22 06:05 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Maybe our own leader is the problem?




  No I'm pretty sure Putin is responsible for his own actions .  It's his military,
  It's sickening to me that people are blaming Biden for Putin's choices .  You sound like a child .



Biden chose not to negotiate.  Stupid move.


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