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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27671841 - 02/24/22 02:45 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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You're making the same point that Stable Genius was trying to make.  "Welp, it's probably only a handful of Eastern Ukrainians who support Russia".  Same thing I heard about Crimea.

Like I said, I went to Crimea and spoke with dozens and dozens of people around the peninsula, and found that the vast majority of Crimeans really do support Russia.  And a poll taken right after Euromaidan showed that only 10% of Eastern Ukrainians wanted to stay with Ukraine.  I was unable to find more current numbers, but I suspect it's even higher given all the killings of Eastern Ukrainians by Western/Central Ukrainians.




Journalists travelling to those regions had to get permission from the Ukraine army, then from the separatists in charge...
How is it that Eastern Ukraine people are being murdered if they control the region with over 90%? support?... it sort of doesn't add up.

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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27671843 - 02/24/22 02:45 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Nononono... he talked to literally dozens of people and watched countless videos. There's no way his limited personal experience doesn't accurately represent things.



Why don't you tell me how would you determine which story is real if not going to the very source?  :popcorn:


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27671845 - 02/24/22 02:46 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

It’s ok, hes got data supplied by the people trying to justify Russian annexation that says almost everyone supports the annexation.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27671847 - 02/24/22 02:48 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: koods] * 1
    #27671851 - 02/24/22 02:50 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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It’s ok, hes got data supplied by the people trying to justify Russian annexation that says almost everyone supports the annexation.



When I saw the headlines yesterday, I thought to myself - bet Falcon91Wolvrn03 starts posting again - lo and behold :lol:


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #27671855 - 02/24/22 02:50 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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How is it that Eastern Ukraine people are being murdered if they control the region with over 90%? support?... it sort of doesn't add up.



I don't understand why you think this doesn't add up.  The Ukrainian Army simply goes to Eastern Ukraine and fights with the Eastern Ukrainians, that's how.  :shrug:


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27671859 - 02/24/22 02:57 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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shivas.wisdom said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sample_size_determination



Excellent!!!  Now if I spoke with 50 random people from all over Crimea, who all told me the same thing, what is the probably that thing is true?  :popcorn:

Let me know if you need help with the calculation, or if you were just hoping I don't understand statistics (math was one of my three majors).


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27671882 - 02/24/22 03:16 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Depends, was either of your other two majors statistics or experimental design?

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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Kryptos]
    #27671974 - 02/24/22 04:57 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I majored in math, with a concentration in statistics.  My other two majors are here.

This is very simple probability, which requires no degree.

If the general population is split about whether the majority supports Russia or not, then the odds of 50 people giving me the same answer is 0.5^50, or about 0.0000000000000888%

So the data I gathered is EXTREMELY reliable and HIGHLY unlikely to be wrong.  :shrug:


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 4
    #27671977 - 02/24/22 05:03 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

You didn’t randomly sample the general population. I’m doubtful someone on the pro-Ukraine side would be openly revealing their loyalties to a Putin apologist like yourself, or to Russian separatists running a poll. Give us a break.

You came back here after a six month absence to shamelessly shill for Putin.

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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: koods]
    #27671987 - 02/24/22 05:12 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

More make believe?  :shake:

I randomly spoke with people all over Crimea.  It doesn't get more random than that.  The only time it wasn't random is when I went out of my way to find people who were opposed to Crimea leaving Ukraine.  Even they agreed the vast majority of Crimeans wanted to leave Ukraine.

By intentionally seeking such people out, the odds of everyone agreeing most Crimeans wanted to leave Russia is even lower than what I posted above.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27672013 - 02/24/22 05:32 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

So you randomly sampled 50 people and every single one wanted to leave Ukraine even though 10% of the population wanted to remain based on polling. Your result is extremely unlikely.

This whole story about you going on a fact finding mission is total bullshit. Roaming the country side playing Gallup. Whatever. You’ve always been full of shit. I see no reason why anyone should believe your testimony. You are irredeemably biased.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: koods]
    #27672021 - 02/24/22 05:36 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

No, I said every single one of them agreed that the vast majority of people in Crimea wanted to leave.

I stated that I spoke with people who didn't want to leave.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27672027 - 02/24/22 05:40 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Lol so you asked people what they thought other people were thinking.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: koods]
    #27672039 - 02/24/22 05:48 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

No one I spoke with in Crimea disputed the Crimean election results is my point.  They felt it was close to what they expected.

Do think the US Presidential election results were reasonably close to what you expected?

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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Barnaby] * 1
    #27672156 - 02/24/22 06:51 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)



OP, one of the things I like about FalconWolvrn posting is he does a bloody good job at offering a different opinion, which is a handy thing  :awesomenod:

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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #27672168 - 02/24/22 06:58 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Like it's fucking wall to wall "Russian aggression" on the tv... it's easy to get sucked into one narrative and end up ill-informed.

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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27672171 - 02/24/22 07:01 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Good video.  Thanks.  :thumbup:


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Kryptos]
    #27672207 - 02/24/22 07:37 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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That map really clears it up! No wonder Putin put soldiers in Kiev, which is...nowhere near those provinces that are full of jubilant pro-Russia supporters!




You have to admit, it's closer than their bases in Africa.


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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27672216 - 02/24/22 07:45 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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I majored in math, with a concentration in statistics.  My other two majors are here.

This is very simple probability, which requires no degree.

If the general population is split about whether the majority supports Russia or not, then the odds of 50 people giving me the same answer is 0.5^50, or about 0.0000000000000888%

So the data I gathered is EXTREMELY reliable and HIGHLY unlikely to be wrong.  :shrug:




Did you mean to use 'reliable'? In statistics reliability only means consistency and has no bearing on validity. If your bathroom scale always measures your weight as 17 pounds higher than your true weight, it is 100% reliable.


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