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TNK said: Seems like a full scale invasion to me.
An invasion where those who are invaded celebrate? 
Yah I am sure in every invasion throughout history there is a few that celebrates
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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: TNK]
#27671116 - 02/24/22 01:45 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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You're making the same point that Stable Genius was trying to make. "Welp, it's probably only a handful of Eastern Ukrainians who support Russia". Same thing I heard about Crimea.
Like I said, I went to Crimea and spoke with dozens and dozens of people around the peninsula, and found that the vast majority of Crimeans really do support Russia. And a poll taken right after Euromaidan showed that only 10% of Eastern Ukrainians wanted to stay with Ukraine. I was unable to find more current numbers, but I suspect it's even higher given all the killings of Eastern Ukrainians by Western/Central Ukrainians.
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Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons after Russia agreed to honor Ukraine’s territorial sovereignty.
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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: koods]
#27671119 - 02/24/22 02:00 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: You're making the same point that Stable Genius was trying to make. "Welp, it's probably only a handful of Eastern Ukrainians who support Russia". Same thing I heard about Crimea.
Like I said, I went to Crimea and spoke with dozens and dozens of people around the peninsula, and found that the vast majority of Crimeans really do support Russia. And a poll taken right after Euromaidan showed that only 10% of Eastern Ukrainians wanted to stay with Ukraine. I was unable to find more current numbers, but I suspect it's even higher given all the killings of Eastern Ukrainians by Western/Central Ukrainians.
10%?
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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Stable Genius] 3
#27671129 - 02/24/22 02:33 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Falcon hasn’t posted on the Shroomery in five months, until tonight. The night Russia invades ukraine.
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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: koods]
#27671135 - 02/24/22 02:41 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hehe I was hoping the FalconWolvrn would return. I've tried keeping up with RT News but it's just not the same.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: And a poll taken right after Euromaidan showed that only 10% of Eastern Ukrainians wanted to stay with Ukraine. I was unable to find more current numbers, but I suspect it's even higher given all the killings of Eastern Ukrainians by Western/Central Ukrainians.

I don't think so Falcon
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2014/05/08/despite-concerns-about-governance-ukrainians-want-to-remain-one-country/
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/06/10/key-findings-from-our-poll-on-the-russia-ukraine-conflict/ft_15-06-09-ukraine-secede/
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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Stable Genius]
#27671155 - 02/24/22 03:19 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not so polarizing after all, imagine that.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: What's "jerkier language"?
The difference between Iraqis cheering and Donetskans (if that's what to call them) cheering is that most Donetskans actually like Russia, while Iraqis cheering was oftentimes an Army psychological operation.
I've been to Crimea after the referendum. People there are VERY pro-Russian. I've seen countless videos from inside Donetsk. It's appears to be similar.
Totally legitimate crowds this time. Last time was a psyop, but now the crowds are super duper legit.
Suped duper pooper legit.
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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: TNK]
#27671557 - 02/24/22 11:18 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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TNK said: Ukraine citizens in the Donetsk wave their flag and sing the national anthem before the Russia war
https://www.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/t04x55/ukraine_citizens_in_the_donetsk_wave_their_flag/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
That was in Mariupol. Here is an interesting map showing where the Separatists are concentrated (not Mariupol):

I don't know what the numbers are in the non-highlighted areas.
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That map really clears it up! No wonder Putin put soldiers in Kiev, which is...nowhere near those provinces that are full of jubilant pro-Russia supporters!
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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Stable Genius]
#27671588 - 02/24/22 11:34 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: And a poll taken right after Euromaidan showed that only 10% of Eastern Ukrainians wanted to stay with Ukraine. I was unable to find more current numbers, but I suspect it's even higher given all the killings of Eastern Ukrainians by Western/Central Ukrainians.
I don't think so Falcon
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2014/05/08/despite-concerns-about-governance-ukrainians-want-to-remain-one-country/
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/06/10/key-findings-from-our-poll-on-the-russia-ukraine-conflict/ft_15-06-09-ukraine-secede/
There were many different polls taken.
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An opinion poll that was taken on the day of the referendum and the day before by a correspondent of the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, The Washington Post, and five other media outlets found that of those people who intended to vote, 94.8% would vote for independence. Even with those who said they would not vote counted in, a 65.6% majority supported separation from Ukraine.
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In the referendum in the eastern Ukrainian region of Donetsk, according to the separatists, 89 percent of respondents were in favor of secession from Kiev. A sample survey by the F.A.Z. and six other media outlets also pointed to an overwhelming majority.
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The separatists did the polling lol
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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: koods]
#27671643 - 02/24/22 12:10 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: The separatists did the polling lol
The same thing happened in Crimea. How do we know what's real? I went to Crimea to find out, and learned the US version was bullshit. Maybe you should go to Donetsk if you don't believe what the locals there are saying.
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Source?
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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Kryptos]
#27671830 - 02/24/22 02:38 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Source for what? That I went to Crimea and spoke with over 50 people from all around the peninsula?
Check the flag next to my location in this thread.
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You really do like to rely on personal anecdotes while asking other for sources, don't you?
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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Kryptos] 1
#27671839 - 02/24/22 02:44 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nononono... he talked to literally dozens of people and watched countless videos. There's no way his limited personal experience doesn't accurately represent things.
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Re: Please Crimea fine, the whole thing, no. [Re: Kryptos]
#27671840 - 02/24/22 02:44 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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There are two conflicting versions of the story. How would you determine which is real if not going to the very source?
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