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Jopo
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Peat/verm as bulk!
#2744347 - 05/29/04 12:58 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Would i be able to do a bulk just by using the peat/verm/lime casing mix without dung/straw additives. I am thinking on putting 3 quarts of spawn into a rubbermade, casing it, patching tell it looks good than fruiting. This wouldn't be considered a bulk without the additive,(straw/dung) i know this, but i am asking if it would turn out in large flushes? / ?
Jopo.
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phucknut68
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Re: Peat/verm as bulk! [Re: Jopo]
#2744362 - 05/29/04 01:03 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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It would just be a big casing......... I think one problem would be that it would compact too much from the weight of itself. Thats why you would use straw I think.....
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NewfoundFreedom
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Re: Peat/verm as bulk! [Re: Jopo]
#2744487 - 05/29/04 01:58 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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You can case your substrate, but then it's not going to be spawn. You'll just be casing your colonized substrate. This will work fine, but will not be considered bulk. Also your yield will not be as good as if you were to use your substrate as spawn for a bulk grow.
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obfuscatelesol
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Re: Peat/verm as bulk! [Re: Jopo]
#2744493 - 05/29/04 01:59 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you want to do a regular grain casing and fill a whole rubbermaid, you'll probably need to use more than 3 qts. But to answer the qusetion, it should be a fairly large flush. If you went and bought a bag of manure and spawned to 10 or so qts of that, it will definitely be a large flush and depending on where you live that should be cheap and easy to obtain.
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Jopo
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I can spawn just pure manure, i thought straw was a need?(I just can't find straw at this time of year) If so that would be good. I have never used manure, does it stink very much? I might go with this or i might go with just the casing of probably 5 quarts than. I have 2 rubbermades and there both not that big! I just wan't to see how many people think the casing idea would work awsome or not! Keep feedin your thoughts, gooba!
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Jopo
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Re: Peat/verm as bulk! [Re: Jopo]
#2746303 - 05/30/04 10:29 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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anyone?
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Magash
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Re: Peat/verm as bulk! [Re: Jopo]
#2746315 - 05/30/04 10:34 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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You can do straite horse or cow poop.
I'm sure there are teks on it in the faq. Pasterize like you would straw. Now it's more common to see them on cow crap in the wild but use horse, just much easier to work with.
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Jopo
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Re: Peat/verm as bulk! [Re: Magash]
#2746497 - 05/30/04 11:39 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Awsome magash, does this smell any because it would all be done in my room and i don't wanna have any "shity dreams", haha!
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Magash
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Re: Peat/verm as bulk! [Re: Jopo]
#2746514 - 05/30/04 11:43 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's not to bad, but poop is poop.
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Jopo
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Re: Peat/verm as bulk! [Re: Magash]
#2746528 - 05/30/04 11:46 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ya, i guess i can manage!
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NewfoundFreedom
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Re: Peat/verm as bulk! [Re: Jopo]
#2746640 - 05/30/04 12:17 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's also usually harder using straight cow poo and you would probably need to mix this with straw. I would go with horse poo if I were you.
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Jopo
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There's many poo's out there, i hope i can get some horses though!
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rollbot
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Re: Peat/verm as bulk! [Re: Jopo]
#2746744 - 05/30/04 12:45 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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coir comes pretty sterile. what about 50%grain spawn 25%coir 25%verm myc gobbles up cococoirs like poo...almost case w/50/50 i bet it'd work. coir is 5 dollars a brick where i live. oh well.. just an idea if you don't wanna poop quite yet....pooping is inevitable don't be afraid.
rodger rabbit gave me the idea of spawning to coir instead of casing with coirs it always overlays and doesn't pin even. i've seen pictures of coir casing pinning like mad but i can't do it.
im waiting on some of this poo:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...ShippingPayment
i heard it doesn't stink
http://www.mycotopia.net/discus/messages/7747/142185.html?1085933798
and
http://www.mycotopia.net/discus/messages/5/140058.html?1084891457
looks pretty simple i wonder if the straw makes a difference... is there something in straw that isn't in the poo that myc needs to grow shrooms? lingen or something? isn't poo just partially digested straw?
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Jopo
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Re: Peat/verm as bulk! [Re: rollbot]
#2746759 - 05/30/04 12:49 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Straw is just another way for the myc to run through, it's more spread out so when mixing with poo all is helped out! Which the places i had just called said they had only cow poo which i hear needs the straw, shit!
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Jopo
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Re: Peat/verm as bulk! [Re: Jopo]
#2766365 - 06/05/04 02:09 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Has anyone heard of enhanced organic compost manure working for a bulk? Would it need any additives?
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NoG
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Re: Peat/verm as bulk! [Re: Jopo]
#2766444 - 06/05/04 02:36 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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i have 10 casings of straight cow poo fruiting just now. i put a layer of cardboard in the bottom of my tins put a 2" layer of substrate and about a quater inche of verm with some holes in the bottom of the tin its working for me i get 6,7,8" shrooms from this i grow b+. the cardboard stops puddles forming and the holes in the bottom let excess water drain and the substrate can breath a little better. the cardboard acts as a barrier. this was a cow poo test for me and it hasnt been a problem at all next batch im gonna do something larger in one container as the cow poo has really proven itself contam resistant. my poo was from a field i picked the nice dry white looking ones and ovened at 70C for 1hour and let cool before use.
Later NoG
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Fungi_x
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Re: Peat/verm as bulk! [Re: NoG]
#2766464 - 06/05/04 02:45 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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So its like this?
verm - top ############/ substrate/cow poo ####/ card board - bottom #/ --------------------/
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