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    #27660402 - 02/15/22 07:11 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)



This thread is for people to post their comments, thoughts, questions, experience, and tips with vacuum sealing, and with long-term storage in general.

I got a vacuum sealer, TkTk brand, about 70 bucks Amazon (found it on eBay). VERY fun to use, and supposedly good for ultra-long term storage. There are some good videos on YouTube of how to use it. There are other brands, some cheaper, some more expensive.

Based on reading reviews, this model seems a good compromise for price vs. performance. If you've got more money or need to pack shrooms all day every day, there are more expensive units.

My base dose that I really like is 2 grams cracker dry of X7X plin (plate pin) clone that I love (trip report here), and will compare to that. I consider that a "not too little, not too much" dose. (I'm literally a little old lady).

I've started putting x7x into snack packs of exactly 2 grams each. These will be for the long-term many years freshness experiment. I will eat the contents of one every 6 months, and won't do any psychedelics at least 3 weeks before each one.

Edit Feb 2023: I'm going to take one every year and report back. Then test can go on for longer, and 6 months wouldn't tell as much as yearly.


I have about 30 grams dried of that. Will have a second flush in a week or two, will dry that too, and make up as many 2-gram single-dose units as I can. Then I'll save them and do one every 6 months and report back here.

I dry shrooms for 24 hours in dehydrator on 165 (with good convection fans) before sealing them, and just let them cool a couple minutes after drying before sealing. Not long enough to absorb moisture from air, but if I seal them hot, they might weaken or stick to the plastic.

Someone said to leave a few inches at the top, more likely to make a better seal, and also allows you to re-seal with the unit later.

I'm going to keep these at room temp in the dark, not in the fridge where moisture might get in.

I'm posting this in Cultivation, not Psychedelic Experience, because this really is the last step of Cultivation, not the first step of the Psychedelic Experience.

It's also the Cultivation step with the least solid recent material on this site.

So post what you know / want to know about vacuum sealing below. If you have experience with another form of years-long storage, that's welcome here too. Also interested in stories of shrooms stored poorly and what made potency go down with time.

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Re: Vacuum packing mushrooms / long term storage / discussion / experiments [Re: nektar61] * 1
    #27660412 - 02/15/22 07:17 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Awesome! So 20 grams would put you at 5 years?

How many years worth have you packaged?

I like they way the bags look, the vacuum bags i’ve see  are clear on both sides

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Re: Vacuum packing mushrooms / long term storage / discussion / experiments [Re: san pedro guy]
    #27660424 - 02/15/22 07:27 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Awesome! So 20 grams would put you at 5 years?

How many years worth have you packaged?

I like they way the bags look, the vacuum bags i’ve see  are clear on both sides

edit: just noticed the bottom photo haha




Thanks!

Not done sealing. Waiting on some more to come up second flush. (I edited first post to add that.) 

Also have some first flush of other varieties I can seal, just for kicks. They were harvested 2 to 4 weeks ago, currently just in zip lock baggies.

Even though I originally dried those for 24 hours, I'll dry them again a few hours before sealing....I'm basing this on verum's tests where shrooms in a baggie for 3 months gained a little water weight out of the air.

Here are some posts on the topic brought over from the cultivation thread,

bigfootscreepyuncl:
"I have year old, vacuum sealed PE still melting faces off ~1g. I believe it was @Forrester said a couple weeks ago that he had vacuum sealed fruits that were 10 years old and he had no noticeable potency loss.

"I've had a couple bags break their seal and slowly leak in which case they will slowly pick up moisture from the air. I check my bags every month or so and if I find one that had a leak I just turn it into chocolates/gummies...which reminds me I opened a bag of PE and I need to do something with the remaining 3oz asap."
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Forrester's post (mason jars, not vacuum sealed):
"I just tried 1.5g of regular cubes that were TEN YEARS old this month.  It was the last of my stash from my first grow ever.  They were stored cracker dry in a mason jar that was not opened much. No vacuum packing, no cold storage, none of that spray can that gets the oxygen out of the jar.

"They had absolutely no noticable loss in potency, I got exactly what I expected from a 1.5g dose.

"Vacuum packed bags I'm sure are preferable but I don't think you need to fill your freezer with them. Mine sat in a hot garage for several summers."

on an aside, as for heat, the heat in a garage is maybe 100 degrees in the summer. I dry shrooms 24 hours at 180 f with no loss in potency. But going well above that probably degrades quick. I've found that steeping shrooms in boiling water to make tea (without lemon) has lower potency, though some say they find it does not.


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Re: Vacuum packing mushrooms / long term storage / discussion / experiments [Re: nektar61] * 1
    #27660439 - 02/15/22 07:43 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Hehe I made a cameo in here :smile:

Cool idea for a thread. I use the expensive (AF) FoodSaver because I had a crap experience with a Cabelas brand vacuum in the past. Typically I VacPac in 2 or 4oz increments. Sometimes I even use it for food :lol: I leave them sealed until I have 2 chocolate bars left then I'll open one up and get my Wonka on. My chocolate bars then get individually wrapped in foil, sealed up and frozen.


Just to add - the bags won't get damaged by heat if you want to load them straight into the bags but I let them cool because warm material + cooler air in a sealed environment can create condensation. I've used FoodSaver brand bags for sous vide so they're good to go heat wise.

I think it's easier to seal if you leave a couple inches at the top but any time I've gotten a broken seal on a bag it's because a dry chunk of a stem actually pokes a little micro hole in the bag. To combat this I usually give the bag a firm little crunch before I seal it.


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Re: Vacuum packing mushrooms / long term storage / discussion / experiments [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl]
    #27660459 - 02/15/22 08:15 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

:takingnotes: Vacuum sealing is the way to go.:rockon:


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Re: Vacuum packing mushrooms / long term storage / discussion / experiments [Re: CapSlinger] * 1
    #27660520 - 02/15/22 08:59 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

sweet. thanks nektar!

noice OP.

I started getting slightly rehydrated fruits out of my cheepass vacsealer. just started back to it for shipping; i vacseal then use a fuckton of press and seal.

when i vacseal and when i use my preferred 1/2-gallon amber ball jars i always toss in a 0.5g WiseDry desiccant. rechargable.


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Re: Vacuum packing mushrooms / long term storage / discussion / experiments [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl]
    #27660528 - 02/15/22 09:06 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Hehe I made a cameo in here :smile:





Yes! Thank you for the info.

Quote:

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Sometimes I even use it for food :lol:




haha. Mushrooms are food.

I've often wondered what would happen if you were in an emergency / survival situation and all you had to eat for a month or two were magic mushrooms....

May have happened to early man at some point.

FWIW, I added to the OP, "Also interested in stories of shrooms stored poorly and what made potency go down with time",
if anyone has any experience on that.

I do have a friend who lost what would have been about an ounce dry of B+ during that storm in Texas last year.

He was drying a bunch of shrooms, and after about an hour the power went off for a week.

He said he forgot about them (was kind of an emergency, they almost froze to death, and their pet fish died), when power went back on, he checked and the shrooms were starting to get moldy. He tossed them.


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Re: Vacuum packing mushrooms / long term storage / discussion / experiments [Re: nektar61] * 2
    #27660536 - 02/15/22 09:09 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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I've often wondered what would happen if you were in an emergency / survival situation and all you had to eat for a month or two were magic mushrooms....

May have happened to early man at some point.




That's how the brain grew so fucking fast, per dear Terrence McK. We went from stupid apes to stupid humans.


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Re: Vacuum packing mushrooms / long term storage / discussion / experiments [Re: SpaceBaby]
    #27660544 - 02/15/22 09:16 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Quote:

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I've often wondered what would happen if you were in an emergency / survival situation and all you had to eat for a month or two were magic mushrooms....

May have happened to early man at some point.




That's how the brain grew so fucking fast, per dear Terrence McK. We went from stupid apes to stupid humans.




I like that theory and it makes sense. Also, shrooms help you see in the dark by dilating your pupils (and your mind) which could make you a better hunter in dusk / dawn, in small doses.

Though I don't think the theory includes that humans were starving, does it? Just that it was a suplimental food?

I've never read the origional, just read summaries, so I don't really know.

Early man did have trouble finding enough protein to stay alive until tools, as shown in fiction in the opening of "2001 a Space Odyssey."

There was a period of a huge jump in brain size around the time of tools.


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Re: Vacuum packing mushrooms / long term storage / discussion / experiments [Re: nektar61] * 2
    #27660588 - 02/15/22 09:46 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Neat. I'm looking forward to seeing how this progresses.

I'm also storing mushrooms like this, with added desiccant packets.



Hopefully this is the best method to store mushrooms long term.

My last trip (7 grams dried APE) has left me not wanting to trip again for the foreseeable future.


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Re: Vacuum packing mushrooms / long term storage / discussion / experiments [Re: nektar61]
    #27660593 - 02/15/22 09:48 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

This is awesome. Had been wondering of better ways to store fruits for longer than a couple of months. Might have to give this a try.


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    #27660597 - 02/15/22 09:49 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Neat. I'm looking forward to seeing how this progresses.

I'm also storing mushrooms like this, with added desiccant packets.







Did you vacuum seal the desiccant packet in with the mushrooms?


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Re: Vacuum packing mushrooms / long term storage / discussion / experiments [Re: Huitaca]
    #27660610 - 02/15/22 09:55 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Neat. I'm looking forward to seeing how this progresses.

I'm also storing mushrooms like this, with added desiccant packets.







Did you vacuum seal the desiccant packet in with the mushrooms?





I didn't, looks like InfMonk did.

I am wondering if it's needed with cracker dry shrooms. Maybe I should do some with and some without for my tests.

I'd not reuse old ones, ones that come with a camera or some vitamins might actually ADD water, if they've been in there on a cross-ocean journey.

You can reactivate silica by putting it in the oven on a cookie tin for a few hours. I have some of the bulk that changes color, and some little cloth draw-string baggies to make my own of any size.

The paper / plastic ones that come with items might melt. But the ones I have you can pour out and pour back in. I've been putting on in each zip lock that I fill with smaller zip locks, that's how I was doing it before I got the vacuum sealer.

If you really wanted to be really bad ass with all this, you'd replace the vacuumed air with an inert gas, like argon. haha. Seems like a lot of work though.


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Re: Vacuum packing mushrooms / long term storage / discussion / experiments [Re: nektar61] * 1
    #27660619 - 02/15/22 09:59 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

For what it's worth I do not use desiccant packs or 02 scavengers. Not because I don't think they would help I just didn't want to spend the money. Holding solid a year later.

I'll post updates in here as I open bags


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    #27660670 - 02/15/22 10:55 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

This is kinda the same concept, but for vacuum sealing mason jars. Anything that goes in  mason jar for storage, gets a vacuum pulled on it along with a desiccant pack thrown in for good measure. This way, if you need some from the jar, you can open it, take what you need, and vacuum seal it back up.



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    #27660686 - 02/15/22 11:12 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I’ve recently started vacuum sealing swabs and putting solid tape over where the spores are to keep light out.  these are the ones that I want to be able to come back to in a couple years if need be.  Will it help?  I don’t know.. I’ll lyk in a couple years :lol:


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    #27660742 - 02/15/22 11:57 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Neat. I'm looking forward to seeing how this progresses.

I'm also storing mushrooms like this, with added desiccant packets.







Did you vacuum seal the desiccant packet in with the mushrooms?




Yes. It's unnecessary but this was my first time vac sealing so I used the desiccant just in case.


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    #27660794 - 02/16/22 01:21 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I have 5 quart jars filled to the top with dried mushrooms. I threw in some desiccant packs for good measure.

I also keep a smaller 1/2 pint jar for my microdoses.

I'm wondering now if I should get a vacuum sealer for the excess or would they would be ok like this for a couple years? 

I guess if it is good enough for Forrester's first grow, I'm hoping to be ok. :shrug:


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    #27660810 - 02/16/22 02:16 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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This is kinda the same concept, but for vacuum sealing mason jars. Anything that goes in  mason jar for storage, gets a vacuum pulled on it along with a desiccant pack thrown in for good measure. This way, if you need some from the jar, you can open it, take what you need, and vacuum seal it back up.







The vaccum sealer I got comes with a wine stopper, for corking wine after you open it if you want to keep it a long time. It also came with a tube to connect to that to suck the air out.

Amazon has some mason jar vacuum sealers and lids like you mention. Those might be good for anyone who wants to go the Forrester route but try for 20 years. haha.

Has anyone here ever improperly stored shrooms and had them lose potency? Would love to hear stories about that if you got 'em.


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    #27660821 - 02/16/22 02:50 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Yes, I used to dry with a fan many years ago which would take days to be almost dry.
Then Epsom salt to get them cracker dry and into an air tight container.
Long term storage was a definite no but it was never an issue until I sat with 200g for a few weeks and the entire batch became soft.
After a few attempts to dry and store I eventually gave them to a friend who reported major potency loss, for microdosing they were fine as he just ate more.


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