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Re: U. G. Krishnamurti [Re: syncro]
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BrendanFlock
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Coming to terms with the idea that no one else can do what you CAN do.
Each person has a different path..
But we can learn to understand and love each other.
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I'm slow. By the time I understand something it's obsolete.
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BrendanFlock said: But we can learn to understand and love each other.
Very true. Ive found if I try to love people, even the ones I don't initially like, I become able to understand them better and see how and why they may operate how they do. Then it's much easier to love and appreciate them as fellow humans in this strange and sometimes rough experience.
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Splain it por favor.
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Re: U. G. Krishnamurti [Re: syncro]
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Oh, I merely added up the influences present, I think, in conversation and seasoned them with a pastiche of Tarot. Like at the beginning of this thread I recognized a pattern that Fleabag F' appeared to be posing.
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what pattern is that?
-------------------- "Sometimes reasonable men must do unreasonable things."-Marvin Heemeyer ๐ ๐๐ธ๐ถ๐ช๐ท, ๐ช ๐ญ๐ธ๐ฐ, ๐ช ๐๐ช๐ต๐ท๐พ๐ฝ ๐ฝ๐ป๐ฎ๐ฎ, ๐ฝ๐ฑ๐ฎ ๐ถ๐ธ๐ป๐ฎ ๐๐ธ๐พ ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ช๐ฝ '๐ฎ๐ถ, ๐ฝ๐ฑ๐ฎ ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฝ๐ฝ๐ฎ๐ป ๐ฝ๐ฑ๐ฎ๐ ๐ซ๐ฎ.
     ๐ฃ๐ฑ๐ ๐ฆ๐ฒ๐ต๐ต ๐๐ฎ ๐๐ธ๐ท๐ฎ
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The patterns of time and dimensions!
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Re: U. G. Krishnamurti [Re: syncro]
#27672696 - 02/25/22 06:55 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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I was checking out the related thread listed below, first post anyway, UG opinion on LSD, generally saying that experiences don't mean anything.
At what point does something mean something, in merging? It's also taught elsewhere not to be attached to spiritual experience, that "knowledge" is beyond perception. Have you been in what you felt to be in a merged state, but also had thoughts and experience? Chasing the experience itself is not the goal (ok, I admit it can be a motivation). But we talk about it like the wonder views we saw on a trip. Some of my favorite places are in a distant part of my state, but I went there for work. I didn't fully grasp the motivations in the business of my contractors, but I was going to enjoy it where I could.
What's the point? No point. Barking dog shit! Just that UG is as full of shit talking about anything as anyone else, if going that route, which to his credit, he seems to admit.
Unless, what, freeing from suffering. Do enjoying experiences promote suffering? In a sense. Also not, I think, if they are part of you, if in a merged state, but that is by degrees.
In one meditation I am playing with dragons; in another, going into that formless non-self-reference except to only that of being free of anything. And even that self-reference can tend to merge, though I'm not that established in meditation. I'm still attached, I like playing with dragons, sometimes. Does that mean I will necessarily get a counter-quality, that experiencing heaven means I will have to experience hell? I think it all gradually elevates together, like some of the lowest qualities have dissipated.
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Re: U. G. Krishnamurti [Re: syncro]
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"At what point does something mean something, in merging?"
Let's use the metaphor of yeast and flour; add yeast and the dough rises punch it down and let it rise again.
This is the process we are constantly in. Are you the yeast to be punched down or the flour base to be raised?
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The bread we eat, life, is a product.
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If a composition, then ignorance, a purist might say. If I want to rise up, I must be punched down. Yet creations are not lost in knowledge, it is said. Perhaps, at some point, it all gets so sweet, incomprehensible, like the heart of God. Creations, no creations, the fire light of heart, have you seen? ... While the fire light of incomprehensible love is in my eye, and in my eyes.
When I said that turiya is obvious, I was both sincere and lying. The challenge is the mental state around body consciousness in the waking state. The mental states around body consciousness, I've been affirming, are a lie. They have their purpose(?), but are counter to spirit.
A lot has been ventured about what is ego. Practically speaking, in terms of the damage it does, I think it is what we can make ourselves to be around gross bodily conditions.
More about turiya though, if the wave is the ocean, what is not turiya? I think I had read it in the Shiva Sutra, but thought, for example, that prana, life force, is turiya. Even in bodily sensations if not too taken, turiya can fade in like light through a sieve. The breath is turiya. A holy court sang, "We contemplate that experience of bliss where the senses meet their objects without any concept or division." paraphrased Maharamayana
Where senses meet objects without concept or division, light is sparked. It works well, again, if not too taken, in mental negativities, the simple affirmation of turiya can fade it in. Sometimes spontaneous, like I'm passive yet perception is as if half light showing through.
I got dosed hard by that Shiva Sutra the other day, but it fades again. More yeast!
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AnattaAtman said: The essential U. G. Krishnamurti
This guy rocks. He is a Pratyekabuddhรก, a Buddha who does not teach. At least he claims to not be a teacher. In my opinion, he has a very neat way of explaining the problem with the ego.
Whatever you do, any spiritual practice - be it prayer, meditation, yoga, martial arts, you name it - cannot lessen the grip of the ego. The ego just plays a trick on you, and now defines as someone meditating. Whatever comes from the ego feeds back into the ego, actually strengthening it.
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neti neti
-------------------- โLet him not brag of his progressive views, boast of his status as an academician or a recognized artist, a distinguished citizen or general. Let him say to himself plainly: I am cattle, I am a coward, I seek only warmth and to eat my fill.โ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
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UG is not allowed to teach the practice of neti neti. It reminds me of, what was it, a zen story perhaps, a practitioner was sitting repeating some dharmic affirmation, and the teacher sat and started repeating, "this is my bowl, and this is my stick!"
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Fleabag Friend said: This thread is nothing but the barking of dogs!
"The barking of a dog or the grunting of a pig is more melodious than all this music." - U.G. Krishnamurti
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Interesting he says the energy is that of thought; the question is whether it is useful. What would it be useful for if so? Of course we say, enlightenment, realization, or whatever the intention, healing, etc.
But with the dissolution of ego-formed identity, all that happens is not happening to anything, and does energy help with that dissolution? He's saying, no.
Then I put the question to myself, and to you Anatta and anyone. I assume you do practices; why do you do them?
I'll say, it purifies the bodies, and can reveal their natures, and subtle natures, and according to some schools, can mitigate karma. Such influences are shared, therefore, if chosen, a responsibility.
Yet, then, they don't help with realization. It is like the satori of a good golf swing, and I suck at golf, but none of the practice is present in that timeless moment of a good swing. Then why practice? Because it's also bullshit, all the practice enabled the setting. ?
Practice is not necessary for the subtlety of mind for realization, yet practice is to bring the subtlety. It's gravity that drops the golf ball into the hole, not the training. But the pro gets much better scores, and teaches others to do so. He's saying the message of good golf is only fraud marketing because it has no influence on the law of gravity.
woof!
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Re: U. G. Krishnamurti [Re: syncro]
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syncro said: Interesting he says the energy is that of thought; the question is whether it is useful.
I think he says somewhere that thought is your enemy.
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Then I put the question to myself, and to you Anatta and anyone. I assume you do practices; why do you do them?
I mostly practice the paramitas: Generosity, morality, renunciation, discernment, energy, patience, honesty, resolution, love and equanimity. I understand the problem with the ego according to U. G. Krishnamurti, that any action done by the ego feeds back into it. The trick is not trying to overcome the ego, but to simply ignore it. Ignoring the self is not an action of the self, since something cannot ignore itself.
I practice to become a Buddha one fine day. I am not so much interested in emptiness or unity or the cosmic self, and all that mystical stuff. I prefer hands-on, practical knowledge, like the recollection of past lives, or the immediate positive results of the practice of love. This is how I understand the dhamma, where satori - emptiness, shunyata - is only step seven of the eightfold path.
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syncro said: Interesting he says the energy is that of thought; the question is whether it is useful.
I think he says somewhere that thought is your enemy.
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Then I put the question to myself, and to you Anatta and anyone. I assume you do practices; why do you do them?
I mostly practice the paramitas: Generosity, morality, renunciation, discernment, energy, patience, honesty, resolution, love and equanimity. I understand the problem with the ego according to U. G. Krishnamurti, that any action done by the ego feeds back into it. The trick is not trying to overcome the ego, but to simply ignore it. Ignoring the self is not an action of the self, since something cannot ignore itself.
I practice to become a Buddha one fine day. I am not so much interested in emptiness or unity or the cosmic self, and all that mystical stuff. I prefer hands-on, practical knowledge, like the recollection of past lives, or the immediate positive results of the practice of love. This is how I understand the dhamma, where satori - emptiness, shunyata - is only step seven of the eightfold path.
Interesting! So then may I ask.. what is the 8th and final step on the Buddhist path?
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BrendanFlock said: Interesting! So then may I ask.. what is the 8th and final step on the Buddhist path?
You meditate and gain the triple knowledge (tevijja): Recollection of past lives, insight into the workings of karma, and the knowledge that you have abandoned unwholesome states of mind. Remembering ones past lives is the most important one.
All three of them taken together kills your tanha (thirst for live). You may then enter nirvana. If you want to, that is. I suggest you hang around a little.
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