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OfflineAnattaAtman
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U. G. Krishnamurti
    #27659830 - 02/15/22 11:39 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

The essential U. G. Krishnamurti

This guy rocks. He is a Pratyekabuddhá, a Buddha who does not
teach. At least he claims to not be a teacher. In my opinion,
he has a very neat way of explaining the problem with the ego.

Whatever you do, any spiritual practice - be it prayer,
meditation, yoga, martial arts, you name it - cannot lessen
the grip of the ego. The ego just plays a trick on you, and
now defines as someone meditating. Whatever comes from the ego
feeds back into the ego, actually strengthening it.

"My teaching, if that is the word you want to use, has no copyright.
You are free to reproduce, distribute, interpret, misinterpret,
distort, garble, do what you like, even claim authorship, without
my consent or the permission of anybody."


Edited by AnattaAtman (02/15/22 11:48 AM)


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Re: U. G. Krishnamurti [Re: AnattaAtman]
    #27659844 - 02/15/22 11:45 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Just wondering, does anybody get the videos to work? I tried
a couple programs, but nothing seems to help.


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Re: U. G. Krishnamurti [Re: AnattaAtman]
    #27660019 - 02/15/22 02:15 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

That guy gets my goat, so he's successful I guess. :smile:


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Re: U. G. Krishnamurti [Re: AnattaAtman]
    #27660238 - 02/15/22 05:08 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

The video files link to a website that doesn't appear to be in operation. AKA dead links.


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Re: U. G. Krishnamurti [Re: AnattaAtman]
    #27660257 - 02/15/22 05:21 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I found today that I can learn more by reading about him, not listening to him where I dismiss him. But I got perspective reading at least the wiki page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U._G._Krishnamurti

"My aim is not some comfy dialectical thesis but the total negation of everything that can be expressed."

He had his unique rough time of it as we all do. It doesn't mean, to me, he can be so imposing. I have better respect though.

"As men approach me, so I receive them." Krishna


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Re: U. G. Krishnamurti [Re: syncro] * 1
    #27660279 - 02/15/22 05:37 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Yeah. I think much more fondly of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramana_Maharshi



Just looking at his eyes in that photo does give my heart a warmth. But I have history with it. Still, not much does that to me.


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Re: U. G. Krishnamurti [Re: Kickle]
    #27660289 - 02/15/22 05:42 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I was interested to read he did spend time with Ramana. 'In 1939, at age 21, U.G. met with renowned spiritual teacher Ramana Maharshi. U.G. related that he asked Ramana, "This thing called moksha, can you give it to me?" – to which Ramana Maharshi purportedly replied, "I can give it, but can you take it?". This answer completely altered U.G.'s perceptions of the "spiritual path" and its practitioners. Later, U.G. would say that Maharshi's answer – which he perceived as "arrogant" – put him "back on track".'


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Re: U. G. Krishnamurti [Re: Kickle]
    #27660856 - 02/16/22 04:32 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Kickle said:
The video files link to a website that doesn't appear to be in operation. AKA dead links.




Thanks.


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Re: U. G. Krishnamurti [Re: AnattaAtman]
    #27662123 - 02/17/22 03:35 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

It seemed he embodied the idea of nothing..

Because nothing is what it is..

It does not exist..

But we think about it abstractly.

What are the things and places we call nothing?

Zero valid, well Hell yeah..

Angeline.

And Adam as the Devil!


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Re: U. G. Krishnamurti [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27662194 - 02/17/22 06:06 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)



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Re: U. G. Krishnamurti [Re: syncro]
    #27662282 - 02/17/22 08:21 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

His views go well with a lot said in the Ego Wins thread. No matter how seemingly enlightened an experience, it is still "I". In the blissful states, and those where self seems to disappear, there is the larger ground of self, I, knowing it. Even Nirvana is not nihilistic. So what is there? Arguably, ego. ?

I think though, he was confusing things, perhaps to a very effective purpose. He dismissed teachings, words, I gather, in repulsion of the "I", and rightly so, as illusion hinges on it, but, arguably, the "I" is the baby in the bath water not needing to be tossed, but cleaned.

from Yogananda's poem, Samadhi

Vanished the veils of light and shade,
Lifted every vapor of sorrow,
Sailed away all dawns of fleeting joy,
Gone the dim sensory mirage.
Love, hate, health, disease, life, death:
Perished these false shadows on the screen of duality.
The storm of maya stilled
By magic wand of intuition deep.
But ever-present, all-flowing I, I, everywhere.


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Re: U. G. Krishnamurti [Re: Kickle]
    #27664300 - 02/18/22 06:04 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Kickle said:
Yeah. I think much more fondly of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramana_Maharshi



Just looking at his eyes in that photo does give my heart a warmth. But I have history with it. Still, not much does that to me.




Read "Happiness and the art of being" if you come across a copy. It's insanely repetitive, but needfully so, the teaching is simple, but for the mind to understand it with the ego involved is difficult.  Anyway what he teaches, at the core, is the same, true non-duality of existence at the core of Buddhism and the Course in miracles, christian mysticism, really most religions if you strip away the crap and get to the mysticism at the core.  Good stuff


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Re: U. G. Krishnamurti [Re: Forrester]
    #27664635 - 02/19/22 01:01 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I've listened to a lot of UG.

I had a lot of fun back in the day smoking cannabis and listening to the likes of Alan Watts and Jiddu Krishnamurti. Then I stumbled upon UG, like a shattering blow. The fact that it made me so uncomfortable at first just made it that much more interesting to me, what he was saying.

UG would slap you in the mouth for calling him a pratyekabuddha. All this thread is utter bullshit, the very attempt to bring words to any of this is just nonsense.


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Re: U. G. Krishnamurti [Re: Fleabag Friend]
    #27664659 - 02/19/22 02:29 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

FleabagFriend and Krishnamurti bashing the hippies again.


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Re: U. G. Krishnamurti [Re: Fleabag Friend]
    #27664719 - 02/19/22 04:18 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I looked up pratyekabuddha; on the wiki p it says, "The pratyekabuddha is an individual who independently achieves liberation without the aid of teachers or guides and without teaching others to do the same."

UG doesn't seem like that. He had many teachers and practices earlier.

From the above definition though, Ramana Maharshi seems a legit pratyekabuddha. He sought from early on just the internal essence and did not waiver. However, others have said it can't be done without some kind of teacher. I think it was implied that Shiva, internally, guided Ramana.


Edited by syncro (02/19/22 04:22 AM)


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Re: U. G. Krishnamurti [Re: syncro]
    #27664744 - 02/19/22 05:26 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Quote:

syncro said:
I looked up pratyekabuddha; on the wiki p it says, "The pratyekabuddha is an individual who independently achieves liberation without the aid of teachers or guides and without teaching others to do the same."

UG doesn't seem like that. He had many teachers and practices earlier.





But he claims that all the teachers and practices didn't help him
to achieve enlightenment. According to him, enlightenment is acausal,
meaning there was no reason it happened to him. All those practices
ultimately just strengthen the ego.

Also, he claims he has no teaching to give. All the people following
him seem to harass him.


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Re: U. G. Krishnamurti [Re: Forrester]
    #27664745 - 02/19/22 05:26 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Forrester said:
Quote:

Kickle said:
Yeah. I think much more fondly of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramana_Maharshi



Just looking at his eyes in that photo does give my heart a warmth. But I have history with it. Still, not much does that to me.




Read "Happiness and the art of being" if you come across a copy. It's insanely repetitive, but needfully so, the teaching is simple, but for the mind to understand it with the ego involved is difficult.  Anyway what he teaches, at the core, is the same, true non-duality of existence at the core of Buddhism and the Course in miracles, christian mysticism, really most religions if you strip away the crap and get to the mysticism at the core.  Good stuff




I heard an echo, I think just a random memory, that I should see a doctor.

But among other sources I visited Dr. Ramana in that book, finding "without even the slightest notion of unhappiness."

This aligns with the ego talk, A Course in Miracles, and so on.

from this passage: "...in deep sleep unhappiness is totally absent. When we are asleep,
unhappiness does not exist even as a thought, or as something that we fear
or desire to avoid. Therefore, since unhappiness cannot exist without a
desire for happiness, but happiness can exist without even the slightest
notion of unhappiness, unhappiness is entirely relative, whereas happiness
may be either relative or absolute."


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Re: U. G. Krishnamurti [Re: AnattaAtman]
    #27664749 - 02/19/22 05:35 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Quote:

AnattaAtman said:
Quote:

syncro said:
I looked up pratyekabuddha; on the wiki p it says, "The pratyekabuddha is an individual who independently achieves liberation without the aid of teachers or guides and without teaching others to do the same."

UG doesn't seem like that. He had many teachers and practices earlier.





But he claims that all the teachers and practices didn't help him
to achieve enlightenment. According to him, enlightenment is acausal,
meaning there was no reason it happened to him. All those practices
ultimately just strengthen the ego.

Also, he claims he has no teaching to give. All the people following
him seem to harass him.




As they should harass him. :smile: No, I think it entertaining though. Not that he doesn't make some valid points. It is said even among paths of form and practice that we cannot take the final step which is done for us, or happens without our able influence.

But I think it could be a case where he was ripened by all these things but gives no credit to them. It doesn't matter I suppose, as grace needs no credit. But he banged his head against these teachings for all that time, and went as if that didn't work to shake stuff out.


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Re: U. G. Krishnamurti [Re: syncro]
    #27664894 - 02/19/22 08:59 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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syncro said:
His views go well with a lot said in the Ego Wins thread. No matter how seemingly enlightened an experience, it is still "I". In the blissful states, and those where self seems to disappear, there is the larger ground of self, I, knowing it. Even Nirvana is not nihilistic. So what is there? Arguably, ego. ?


from Yogananda's poem, Samadhi

...
But ever-present, all-flowing I, I, everywhere.




Arguably an endeavor to disassociate events from agency.


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Re: U. G. Krishnamurti [Re: syncro]
    #27665244 - 02/19/22 02:15 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Quote:

syncro said:
It is said even among paths of form and practice that we cannot take the final step which is done for us, or happens without our able influence.




Which other sources say that?  Just curious, I'm not familiar with a lot of the details of many of the other paths.  Surprised there were others that said that exact thing that it says in the Course.


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