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koods
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That dude has a chip on his shoulder. He really doesn’t like Job Oliver
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wolf8312
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christopera said: Oh stop. You are once again deflecting to character. You have absolutely nothing worthy of being read.
This is what I said;
"It is mind blowing to me that truckers managed to gain that much platform and the best they could come up with is freedom, fuck Joe Biden, and anti-vaccine nonsense. Many of them are losing their asses in that profession and have basically zero recourse in the matter, so they honked their horns and rode around for fun. Makes sense."
If you watched the video you know the industry is in dire need of drivers and yet they also have a 100% turn over rate. How in the world does "let's go Brandon" actually improve their lives?
It doesn't, they were being children and you are too.
Ah! Yours is a parental, gazing-down-benevolently-from-an-ivory-tower kind of support for those poor naive young children?
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Koods:
That dude has a chip on his shoulder. He really doesn’t like Job Oliver
Nope! I really don't like Stephen Colbert these days but I do find Oliver's show funny and enjoyable to watch.
I just think people on the left who adore him, are kidding themselves if they think he is some kind of independent voice operating outside of MS narratives or censorship, or that when one watches his programs one is not being subjected to (albeit subtle/sophisticated) propaganda. Right wingers don't believe Carlson is propaganda or subject to editorial control either. They are wrong right?
But Carlson, unlike say Hannity or Oreilly, is not your typical fox news host, and his success like Oliver's is not based on deceiving his audience but by mostly (albeit selectively) telling them the truth. Or (like Rogan) at least allowing them to hear alternative versions of that truth and letting them make up their own minds!
That is why Colbert's ratings are now dwindling, because he/they has/have forgotten what made him so big in the first place.
But, I am not claiming that Oliver goes to work and consciously pushes propaganda here.
If I had the potential to gain/maintain a glittering career by reviewing a crap computer game in an upbeat manner I'm sure it would be very difficult to not genuinely believe I enjoyed playing that crap game!
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christopera
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Re: The Honkening (Ottawa) [Re: wolf8312]
#27727200 - 04/09/22 11:33 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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A strawman from you. I never said I cared, I said Truckers used their platform poorly. Though I do care, but not in the dishonest way you are portraying.
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Mach z 800
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Re: The Honkening (Ottawa) [Re: koods]
#27727314 - 04/09/22 12:53 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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koods said: That dude has a chip on his shoulder. He really doesn’t like Job Oliver
john Oliver is clown you guys are the few that take him seriously 🤣.
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Mach z 800
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Re: The Honkening (Ottawa) [Re: wolf8312]
#27727321 - 04/09/22 12:58 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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wolf8312 said:
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christopera said: Oh stop. You are once again deflecting to character. You have absolutely nothing worthy of being read.
This is what I said;
"It is mind blowing to me that truckers managed to gain that much platform and the best they could come up with is freedom, fuck Joe Biden, and anti-vaccine nonsense. Many of them are losing their asses in that profession and have basically zero recourse in the matter, so they honked their horns and rode around for fun. Makes sense."
If you watched the video you know the industry is in dire need of drivers and yet they also have a 100% turn over rate. How in the world does "let's go Brandon" actually improve their lives?
It doesn't, they were being children and you are too.
Ah! Yours is a parental, gazing-down-benevolently-from-an-ivory-tower kind of support for those poor naive young children?
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Koods:
That dude has a chip on his shoulder. He really doesn’t like Job Oliver
Nope! I really don't like Stephen Colbert these days but I do find Oliver's show funny and enjoyable to watch.
I just think people on the left who adore him, are kidding themselves if they think he is some kind of independent voice operating outside of MS narratives or censorship, or that when one watches his programs one is not being subjected to (albeit subtle/sophisticated) propaganda. Right wingers don't believe Carlson is propaganda or subject to editorial control either. They are wrong right?
But Carlson, unlike say Hannity or Oreilly, is not your typical fox news host, and his success like Oliver's is not based on deceiving his audience but by mostly (albeit selectively) telling them the truth. Or (like Rogan) at least allowing them to hear alternative versions of that truth and letting them make up their own minds!
That is why Colbert's ratings are now dwindling, because he/they has/have forgotten what made him so big in the first place.
But, I am not claiming that Oliver goes to work and consciously pushes propaganda here.
If I had the potential to gain/maintain a glittering career by reviewing a crap computer game in an upbeat manner I'm sure it would be very difficult to not genuinely believe I enjoyed playing that crap game!
they are held hostage by the woke leftists who dont care about anything but there agendas. They could be pissing on our head an tell us its raining an people would go well its warm rain because of global warming 🤣.
Edited by Mach z 800 (04/09/22 12:59 PM)
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christopera
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Re: The Honkening (Ottawa) [Re: Mach z 800]
#27727363 - 04/09/22 01:21 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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You are against better working conditions for truckers?
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christopera said:
"It is mind blowing to me that truckers managed to gain that much platform and the best they could come up with is freedom, fuck Joe Biden, and anti-vaccine nonsense. Many of them are losing their asses in that profession and have basically zero recourse in the matter, so they honked their horns and rode around for fun. Makes sense."
If you watched the video you know the industry is in dire need of drivers and yet they also have a 100% turn over rate. How in the world does "let's go Brandon" actually improve their lives?
I watched a little bit of that video, I stopped watching when that driver called his dispatch and asked to take a rest lol
When I'm working, I AM THE CAPTAIN OF THIS SHIP, I sure as fuck don't need to ask anyone if it's ok to take a break. I just do it and if dispatch doesn't like it, tough shit.
If that video is going to show some candy assed rookie crying he needs a rest and saying we're treated like shit, well I don't even need to see anymore
Driving truck isn't a job for everyone, that's why there's high turnover. It's stressful, you work a lot and are away from home/family for weeks at a time. Personally I love it, most people don't. They don't realize what they're getting into in this profession, they can't hang and they'll quit. I'm not saying there isn't shit trucking companies out there though either, because there absolutely is. Most people quit because trucking is not what they expect. For some reason most people think it's an easy job, they're wrong.
In this industry you have to be willing to make sacrifices you have to be flexible and make yourself valuable as a driver. That means getting all of your endorsements - tanker, HAZMAT and doubles/triples. I have all the endorsements, I can haul anything although my company doesn't have any doubles trailers and we don't have any flatbed trailers.....yet. I'm not wild about hauling HAZMAT loads, it's a pain in the ass but I'll do it because they pay well
Anyways, those drivers that drove around wasting fuel and blocking roads are idiots. They give the rest of us drivers that take our job seriously a bad rep.
I hope to catch koods on the CB sometime when I get back out to the D.C. area
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Lynnch
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Jon Oliver isn't on Comedy Central
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ModularMind
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Re: The Honkening (Ottawa) [Re: Lynnch]
#27728850 - 04/10/22 01:01 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Lynnch said: Jon Oliver isn't on Comedy Central currently 
For greater accuracy!
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mycosis


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It would be a whole lot funnier if John Oliver was currently on Comedy Central.
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anatomality
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Re: The Honkening (Ottawa) [Re: mycosis]
#27728944 - 04/10/22 02:14 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Here's a Real lockdown from the CCP that Trudeau kinda has a crush on.
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Mach z 800
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christopera said: You are against better working conditions for truckers?
im for any one haveing better work conditions. I just dont like john Oliver is not that funny.
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shivas.wisdom
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Re: The Honkening (Ottawa) [Re: yeah]
#28191740 - 02/17/23 02:19 PM (11 months, 3 days ago) |
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For those interested, the Emergencies Act inquiry released its final report today. It's long - among other things, the report includes 56 recommendations on how to better respond to national emergencies in the future; and another 22 recommendations look at how the Emergencies Act should be amended and clarified. I haven't gone through it all yet so no other comments just now.
https://publicorderemergencycommission.ca/final-report/
Federal government met the threshold to invoke Emergencies Act: Rouleau
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Brian Jones
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I couldn't get it to play.
People have the right to protest, in the West at least. I have many times commented that social movement effectiveness tends to depend on their ability to coerce. But still governments are not out of line to prevent social movements' coercive tactics from shutting down essential transportation lines.
It is a fine line, but democracy requires a balance.
I admit I was always against the Canadian trucker's movement, because it was about anti-vaxing. First, it's anti-science. Second, nobody was forced to take a needle, but rational people do have the right to be segregated from intentional disease spreaders. There are opposing opinions, and maybe masks weren't effective but the vaccine was.
If it was about indigenous people's rights, for instance, I would be more supportive even if it had less popular support because I can get my head around the idea. As I said, a fine line, that should probably put rationality and legality ahead of popularity, but popularity does enter the equation in a democracy.
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Kryptos
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Real work happens in courtrooms, not at protests.
As a protest, I think the truckers were probably more effective than any individual BLM protest, because they got their (stupid) message out. However, I do not think they have exactly set the ball rolling on the actual legal work that is still to be done to get their ideas across, which is probably a good thing. Apart from North Dakota trying to ban the covid vaccine, which is clearly just a publicity stunt, the truckers were pretty universally ignored.
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Re: The Honkening (Ottawa) [Re: Kryptos]
#28194036 - 02/19/23 02:56 AM (11 months, 1 day ago) |
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Sometimes. The Vietnam war didn't get ended in courtrooms. To my understanding the activist and counterculture types started it, but the government really took notice when regular people, particularly mothers, starting hitting the streets.
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Kryptos
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Re: The Honkening (Ottawa) [Re: Brian Jones]
#28195747 - 02/20/23 08:38 AM (11 months, 12 hours ago) |
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I don't believe that, to be honest.
I don't know the details particularly well, but I don't think the protests led to the end of the war. There was at least a three year lag period between Kent state and the end of the war, with protests continuing throughout.
There were deep and ongoing issues with morale, fighting capacity, and manpower from the military side, and I think this was a much bigger factor when it came to the end of the Vietnam war. Shit like McNamara's Morons doesn't happen when you have a population willing to fight.
The protests provided a convenient cover, and were the public face of discontent, but the problems that ended the US involvement in Vietnam ran much deeper than that. The protests were simply recruitment drives for the antiwar population, but the actual resistance to the war looked like soldiers refusing orders, friendly fire, and heavy drug abuse.
Same thing with MLK, and to an extent, BLM. MLK did a good speech and led a nice walk, but he was assassinated when he started the actual work of working towards economic justice and changing the laws, and started showing people the limits of protest. BLM protests led to a bunch of nothing, but now prosecutors actually feel like they might have a chance to stop criminal cops from doing crime.
I guess I see protests as good for getting the word out and not much else. Don't get me wrong, this is important. Like, you don't get the attention of a skilled lawyer or a pugnacious prosecutor without a protest, because someone with the skills and stature to go up against the system is likely well insulated within the system. The majority of heavy hitters grow up in gated neighborhoods, not in a section 8. A protest can get the attention of people that can make a difference, but a protest itself will make no difference. If it did, it would be illegal.
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