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Like I said, you are confused
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Re: The Honkening (Ottawa) [Re: koods] 1
#27665428 - 02/19/22 05:05 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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koods said: Like I said, you are confused
Nope not even in the slightest. I know for a fact what you are. It's in my review of you.
I hope you get the therapy you need one day for that serious mental issue of narcissism and gaslighting.
Edit: I also want to add even if the protesters had to pay to protest(which they do not), the Government has frozen their bank accounts and donations anyways.
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Re: The Honkening (Ottawa) [Re: koods]
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Protesters always work with police during protests it is a requirement of protest in major cities. Have you ever protested in any major city? The police are heavily involved in blocking and navigating traffic. That's what we pay for as taxpayers..
Protesters are supposed to work with the police. They get a permit and pay for the police. Taxpayers aren’t supposed to foot the bill.
so police funding is out of thin air? They work for free? If you're going to write something that makes no sense at all, please don't bother replying it to me.
Yes I was on the social committee for the 1993 March on Washington and we paid about $250,000 dollars to the city for a permit and for the police.
You are a stupendously ignorant person. You think the citizens Ottawa should pay for your protest. Fuck off freeloader..
Looks like you're a bit agitated and angry. Take a breath and back off the ledge.
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r3volution.gurl said: Oh ok so you're pulling the "police are way more aggressive towards other organizations and people so I'm not going to stand up for these Canadians when they are brutalized."
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Edit: I also want to add, if you truly believe organizers are considered "leaders" of protests and have the power you are insinuating over protesters, you've clearly never organized a protest before.
No, as I clearly stated, I'm pulling the 'I don't support their cause, I don't believe in solidarity with fascists, and I don't consider the state response to be particularly exceptional for the circumstances' card.
I support militant antifascist action, so the notion that certain communities, causes, or opinions won't just lack my support but face my active opposition shouldn't be surprising - nor is it incompatible with an analysis of anarchist theory. I know you've spent time in Toronto - were you similarly upset to see PEGIDA get shutdown by people opposed to their cause, because 'Canadians have a right to protest'?
An authentic movement for freedom and medical autonomy would oppose all the forces that compel workers to expose themselves to covid against their wishes - in other words, it would be explicitly anti-capitalist - but when anti-mandate protesters decry vaccine passports as “fascism”, yet maintain that borders should be tightly controlled by passport checks - when they complain about police checking for vaccine cards, but support police in arresting and imprisoning people by the million - when they object to the government placing limits on economic activity, but not to the vast economic disparities that force workers to face potentially lethal risks simply in order to pay rent - they're not taking a stand in favour of freedom so much as they are willfully changing the subject from the encroachments of state power as a whole to a few details of state policy that effect them personally.
My energy is finite, and I'm not about to waste any of it supporting a movement I fundamentally disagree with just for the sake of appearing even-handed.
As for my beliefs about the lead organizers, I never insinuated that they have any sort of absolute power over the entire protest - so you can drop the whole "you've clearly never organized a protest before" one-upmanship. Just because these sorts set things off, that does not mean they control the movement, let alone own it. Still, fact is that a significant proportion of people taking a lead organizing role have a history in fascist organizing, and these individuals haven't faced any real opposition from the convoy protesters. Pat King (who was involved from very early on, and who is concerned about whites being “replaced” and hates immigrants and gay people)... Jason LaFace (background in the Soldiers of Odin, organizer for the Ontario contingent of the convoy)... Rambo Gauthier (background in La Meute, organizer of the less successful convoy to downtown Québec City)... They don't have the power to control the protesters, but the protesters absolutely have the power to reject them.
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koods said: Like I said, you are confused
Nope not even in the slightest. I know for a fact what you are. It's in my review of you.
I hope you get the therapy you need one day for that serious mental issue of narcissism and gaslighting.
An angry person, every day searching for more rage opportunities. That can't be healthy.
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Re: The Honkening (Ottawa) [Re: RedRH]
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I'm not mad this shit is hilarious, Canadians are morons . Lol . https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2022/02/19/world/canada/canada-truckers-arrested.amp.html
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Police officers on Saturday cleared out the central area of a sprawling demonstration in Ottawa, moving from truck to truck and arresting protesters as they continued to subdue the occupation that has disrupted the Canadian capital for weeks.
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Re: The Honkening (Ottawa) [Re: Psilynut2]
#27665453 - 02/19/22 05:26 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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It’s because their brains leak out from their floppy heads
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So what you're basically saying is you've judged hundreds, possibly thousands of Canadians based on a few Canadians. That's some rational thinking. I actually know a lot of people that were in Ottawa, thinking about going to Ottawa. Your judgements of hundreds of people are fabricated bullshit influenced by a few organizations by a few people. You are entitled to your opinion though so goodluck with the militant actions you hope for after what Police and RCMP do to peaceful protests which threaten Government policy and corporations.
Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamicisation of the Occident (German: Patriotische Europäer gegen die Islamisierung des Abendlandes), abbreviated Pegida (German: [peˈɡiːda], stylised in its logo as PEGIDA)
Lol you're trying to compare this? It's not even Canadian
There were counter protesters there for that, that's democracy. And my opinion about protest doesn't change if in this particular case, no one, especially middle eastern people or anyone of the Islam faith were harmed at all during those protests. I don't personally know whether that was reported to have happened or not so feel free to educate me on that sincerely.
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They don't have the power to control the protesters, but the protesters absolutely have the power to reject them
They rejected the swastika flag guy and most importantly anyone who premeditated to instigate and provoke police so I think you're expecting miracles and it's not realistic for the future of the country, let alone the world.
This is why protests don't last and never have the numbers cause of people like yourself who expect everyone to be perfect exactly the way you think and believe and then expect others to reject someone when there are barely enough people who give a shit about doing anything about anything to begin with. You encourage division of the people and expect uniform unity. Unity can never exist that way, it's impossible and unrealistic.
By all means don't waste your energy!! Talking literal crap about it isn't energy wasted eh?
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r3volution.gurl said: So what you're basically saying is you've judged hundreds, possibly thousands of Canadians based on a few Canadians.
No, as I clearly stated, "I judge this protest on its stated cause and on its participants." The cause is opposition to covid restrictions. The participants are the fascists holding lead organizational roles (including receiving millions in donations), and those unbothered by it.
Do those "hundreds, possibly thousands" support this cause? Are those "hundreds, possibly thousands" unbothered by the fascist presence? Then my judging them based on this is reasonable.
You don't create unity by tolerating fascists. I'm comfortable losing whatever support they would offer as allies.
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#27665528 - 02/19/22 06:31 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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I was referring to Koods.
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So you admit the cause is being opposed to covid restrictions. Which isn't fascist. The covid restrictions themselves are fascist in actual comparison.
A form of far-right authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and the economy that rose to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.
I'm personally done wasting MY energy with this conversation because your political logic is honestly ludacris and I've exposed that for myself.
Your questions are also ridiculous because I can't speak for hundreds and thousands of people. I know the people I know personally are against covid restrictions/mandates. What I can say is I have not seen any act of fascism by the people you're obsessed with at the protest or on any videos.
You have proven you are more interested in dividing Canadians than understanding and finding common ground with one another which is a first step in unity for any cause and healthy communication among different opinions.
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You don't create unity by tolerating fascists. I'm comfortable losing whatever support they would offer as allies
I don't think you're capable of understanding unity if everyone you've unified with has to abide by your judgement.
Anyways. A cop fainted after being hugged several times by peaceful protesters. This is not a joke. My thoughts is he probably faked his faint so he could leave and not be a contributor of Fascism.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CaLP9TnjYeb/?utm_medium=copy_link
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So you admit the cause is being opposed to covid restrictions. Which isn't fascist. The covid restrictions themselves are fascist in actual comparison.
Can you explain how temporary public health mandates meet the definition of fascism? Similar regulations exist in almost every country on earth. Are all these countries run by fascists?
Are previous and long standing vaccine mandates and temporary restrictions during past outbreaks and pandemics equally fascist?
A lot of people on the antivax spectrum seem to have the false belief that what is happening now is unprecedented in the history of democratic rule. In reality, our framework for dealing with public health emergencies goes back to the Magna Carta and are part of the common law that all commonwealth and former commonwealth nations base their legal systems upon. Quarantine, isolation, restriction movement - and later - mandatory vaccination go back to the founding of our countries. During the 1918 flu, people who were sick were sealed inside their houses with warning tape across their doors warning nobody was permitted to enter or leave. During outbreaks of other endemic diseases, people were subject to mandatory vaccination or face fines or incarceration.
These truckers are just entittled crybabies. Crossing a border for your job isn’t a right. It’s a privilege. Canadians don’t have a right to enter the US. We get to pick and choose who we let in, and for the time being unvaccinated foreigners are not welcome. Grow the fuck up and deal with it.
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Re: The Honkening (Ottawa) [Re: koods]
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#27665629 - 02/19/22 08:12 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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u gonna live after all this koods, its going to be okeedokie.. Its just so weird reading how you're so absorbed into leftists ideas .. makes this site kinda puke like .. like who in the fucking right minds under psychedelics would be sucking the governments dick??? other than a paid in place super troll.. THAT'S U DUDE .. good luck with your fake identity here bruh, you are really changing the world everyday..
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I've literally spent a good portion of this thread arguing against the government response, both to covid itself and public opposition to covid related restrictions. I'm capable of achieving nuance in my understanding of what's happening - why don't you try as well.
For example, I never said opposition to covid restrictions was fascist - I said the cause was opposition to covid restrictions, and that many of the lead organizers came from a background of fascist organizing. I've also never stated that unity means 'everyone has to abide by my judgement' - I stated that unity cannot involve intrinsically-divisive ideologies like fascism.
You say I'm not interested in understanding others, finding common ground, or achieving unity - but that's not how you felt earlier when I was arguing from a perspective of unity that you agreed with. On the other hand, your responses to my most recent posts have been to misrepresent my position as "police are way more aggressive towards other organizations and people so I'm not going to stand up for these Canadians when they are brutalized" or that I've "judged hundreds, possibly thousands of Canadians based on a few Canadians."
This entire back-and-forth we're having now only started because you were disappointed that I corrected misinformation about a protester being trampled to death. If anything, you're the one uninterested in finding common ground or healthy communication among different opinions here.
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Just another reminder that some of the leaders of this protest are unapologetic white supremacists
https://twitter.com/susandweiss/status/1495101026793312264?s=21
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Re: The Honkening (Ottawa) [Re: koods]
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Justin Trudeau was re-elected four months ago. These people are openly rejecting the democratic process.
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I don't critically think or problem solve with nuances. I aim to be clear and direct.
Absolutely. I agreed with your sentiments regarding the Government and I also respect calls for unity. Can you explain what you mean by account for irrational actors? What does 'accounting for' mean for you?
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The definition of accounting is "a report or description of an event or experience" and in this case specific individuals. So accounting for these 'irrational actors' doesn't mean writing them off from unity as you stated above, it's just being aware of them. I am purely speaking at a people class level, NOT Government or Elites.
For example, a video I watched of a lady with a sign at the protest raving about being kidnapped by the Jeffrey Epstein sex ring 40 years ago and the entire story about which I'm not going to retell. That's an ideology not related to the cause of the protest, do we kick her to curb?
I don't exclude any ideologies I don't agree with because they aren't just going to disappear randomly and it's not wise to create more division for people who aren't actually physically harming anyone. Can you show me evidence of the people like Pat King or who ever else you're talking about actually harming someone?
Unity is a cure, a solution, not a final destination in my opinion.
I just want to say that you and I have plenty common ground on a lot of things outside of this topic. I have nothing personal against you no matter what I say or how I feel about you on your opinion on this. You are of course always welcome to my home as anyone really is as long as they don't harm others.
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account (v)
consider or regard in a specified way.
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Re: The Honkening (Ottawa) [Re: koods]
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koods said: account (v)
consider or regard in a specified way.
Thank you actually cause I did make that mistake. Oops. Definitely verb.
It doesn't change my point because accounting for isn't the decision itself, it's before making a decision. Which regarding my last post is the decision to write someone off.
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